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PG Wood Innovation Site Not Cast In Stone

By Ben Meisner

Tuesday, September 07, 2010 04:47 AM

Prince George, B.C. - A study is underway to  determine the feasibility of  establishing a satellite campus for UNBC in the Downtown  of Prince George.  Specifically, the study is looking at  if the wood innovation centre, (promised by the provincial government in two throne speeches)  should be built in the downtown.

During a recent stop in Prince George, Premier Gordon Campbell  said he hoped the  centre would be located in the "heart" of the City, but  added  that  it is not his  decision to make.

Opinion 250 has learned there are several sites being  considered, including, the old Prince George Hotel site, the old CKPG site, the parking lot near the old Bank of Montreal Building that was turned over to UNBC by the bank, and two other sites.

Commonwealth Campuses Inc. was the main promoter of the old Prince George hotel site after it acquired the hotel along with a number of properties in the block.

Commonwealth paid $2,225,000 dollars for the hotel. That deal closed around January 8th 2010. At the time Commonwealth Realty President Dan McLaren said the hotel would be torn down within three to four months to become a parking lot for the Ramada Hotel.

That didn’t happen and on April 6th 2010 it was learned that Commonwealth had sold the land and buildings to the City of Prince George for $2,500,000 dollars, plus Commonwealth was able to keep the cold beer and wine license which it subsequently sold to the Ramada for $250,000.  So the  sales reaped a gross  profit  on the flip of $500,000 dollars.

Financing for the purchase of the hotel came from the Northern Development Initiatives Trust. In a strange twist, it has been learned that all of the property Commonwealth had assembled on the block was offered to UNBC for $12 million dollars. Had UNBC opted for the idea it would have resulted in Commonwealth picking up a profit of around $ 8 million.

When asked who made the pitch to the University, former NDI Trust Chairman of the  Board  Bruce Sutherland said he, "could not remember any of the events”. Janine North the Executive Director of the NDI Trust says she,”did not ever make a suggestion to UNBC" to buy the property for that sum of money. It is known that the property was offered and was refused by UNBC which deemed it too expensive at $12 Million dollars. It is not known who from the Northern Development Trust pitched the idea to UNBC, or why they would and under whose authority, it is however acknowledged by UNBC executives that the offer did take place.

There after the PG Hotel site was sold to the City, while Commonwealth retained a number of nearby properties and buildings.

At the Harcourt Symposium, presented by the DBIA, the old PG Hotel site is listed as the ideal spot for the new Wood Innovation Center and Commonwealth (who owns many of the other lots in the block) is also in favour of the project going there.

The City of Prince George would, in all likelihood, be called upon to provide the land free of charge for the wood innovation center if the province went ahead with the announced plans for the project. Mayor Dan Rogers has pointed out on numerous occasions that the city owns 155 lots in the heart of the city and that the cost to the city would be several million dollars less to have the structure built on an existing piece of property that does not require demolition and other costs that the Prince George hotel site would require.The cost of developing a lot on the old PG hotel site is estimated at around $312,000, the average private price per lot is between $79 and $82 thousand dollars.

The much larger problem, and a growing concern for those working on the plan for a wood innovation center, is the cost UNBC would have to bear if it buys into the idea of a down town site regardless of whether it is the old PG Hotel  or anywhere else. There are also problems of logistics.

While UNBC President George Iwama has said he would like to help in the re development of down town it comes with a price and that must be factored into any development.

What is the size of the new wood innovation center going to be? If for example raw logs will be required would it not be better served to have the facility located near UNBC’S existing  buildings where all of the services are readily available and access is much improved over the down town location?

What is the extra cost of locating a satellite campus in the down town core?  The problem of students and staff commuting from UNBC to the facility would be expensive and there is no guarantee that students or staff would want to live in the down town which is one of the ideas being promoted to having a wood facility downtown.

Executives at UNBC privately say that the cost of putting up the new wood innovation center will fall on the shoulders of the budgets of UNBC and the benefits are limited. As one member of the executive of UNBC put it, “there are many projects that would enhance the down town core, but will a wood innovation center do it’? Someone came up with the idea of the Wood innovation Center being located across from the Ramada without the benefit of any serious studies, those should be done now."

Studies are currently underway to examine the feasibility of the wood innovation center and the positives and negatives around it.

Insiders connected to UNBC and the City of Prince George say the old Prince George hotel site would be too expensive to develop when nearby property that the city owns could be made available at a fraction of the cost.  Commonwealth on the other hand would like to see the project built across from the Ramada hotel because they own much of the property. The DBIA, under the direction of Hugh Nicholson has also been promoting that location.


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The reality of the situation is finally starting to see the light of day. Nice to see.

Hopefully a bit more common sense will prevail from here on in.
Good Morning Ben!

In reading your story, I feel compelled to point out a number of disappointing errors: Our name is incorrect. The purchase price of the PG Hotel is incorrect. The profit from the sale of the PG Hotel is incorrect. Yes, we sold the license for $250,000. This is much lower than the amount reported earlier on this site. The anticipated profit of $8 million (while a wonderful dream) is pure fiction.

To be clear, Commonwealth has held no negotiations with UNBC respecting the purchase/sale of any of our property. While we would look at any sensible offer from any purchaser, the fact is: there have been no offers, no counter-offers, no invitations to treat. The property is not even listed. Please feel free to cite your source.

For the record, Commonwealth did not make any presentations at the 'Harcourt Symposium'. We did attend. It was a first-class event.

Going forward, Commonwealth is justifiably proud of the investment that we have, and shall continue to make in The New Downtown. We will continue to advocate for a number of initiatives that will improve our wonderful city's core. We are putting our money where our mouth is.

Recognizing that in the past, I have never refused to go on your radio show or "not returned" a call, I am surprised that your story would not be more accurate. You could have called me. While it is true that much of our plans are subject to confidentiality agreements, much of the information inaccurately referenced in this story exists in the public venue.

In the future, we would be most appreciative if you could make an extra effort to check your facts. As always, you are welcome to call me at (250) 960-2233.

Let's work together to improve our great city!

Warmest personal regards,

Dan McLaren
President,
The Commonwealth Group of Companies

UNBC has the whole Hill, why would they move into the Bowl (no parking ,bad Air)spending Taxpayers Money, must have to much off it and why is the City in the Real Estate Business , Road Repair would be a good start.
Interesting response from Mr McLaren. The fact that the names of the companies they are using for these purchases may not be exactly as reported is of no significance. The players and the facts remain the same. The dollars quoted are also "very close" to the real numbers.

McLaren's comment that "Commonwealth" had no negotiations with UNBC may be factual, but someone representing the property did make a pitch to UNBC. It is suggested by this article that the pitch to UNBC was made by NDI Trust on behalf of Commonwealth, at a price that was ridiculous and thus turned down by UNBC. If that is in fact the case there is something seriously wrong. It is not the mandate for NDI Trust to be a broker for a private investor trying to flip property to
the government (City of PG or UNBC). The fact that Bruce Sutherland (former NDI Trust, Chair)and Dan McLaren are close friends makes the optics of this even worse. Something smells in this deal!

The fact that Commonwealth didn't make a presentation to the Harcourt symonsium is humorous. The Harcourt symposium was based on the original Commonwealth presentation, rebranded with the DBIA name and logo.

I support Mr McLaren and his group in their efforts to invest and improve in the downtown. Just don't do it on the backs of the tax payers!
Dear Herschel,

Unfortunately, the dollars quoted are not "very close" at all. In fact they are profoundly different.

I will be in the office all day today. If you would like to (confidentially) review our documents, I will see waht I can do to get permission. Please call me to discuss.

Thank you for your kind words of support. My number is (250) 960-2233.

Regards,

Dan McLaren
President,
The Commonwealth Group of Companies
I agree that the Wood Innovation center should be at the main campus. The development and ongoing costs to all levels of government are just too much to justify it. At the end of the day there is just one taxpayer no matter which pocket the money comes out of.
Who will benefit from this- private developers like Commonwealth. In addition to this they want to keep their snouts in the public trough for another 20 or 30 years via a tax holiday on any developments.
...too much to justify it being downtown.



BTW saying that the city owns 155 lots downtown is nothing to be proud of, it's no wonder that they have too keep raising taxes and utility fees- there is hardly anyone downtown paying taxes.
Lonesome. Remember that many of these are used for surface parking. For all I know, even the ones which have parkades on them are included in that. Even the previous Chances building is on City lots.

Just because the city owns lots downtown does not mean that they are waiting to be developed. Some are; some are not.

You see, in writing everything gets distilled and other than in this type of forum there is no opportunity for reasonable feedback.

This medium stinks when it comes to reasonable people discussing reasonable things in a reasonable fashion.
BTW, go to planning/real estate and they will give you the information of which lots are owned by the city and what their current uses are.
Gus
The City has stated in the past that they will actively buy lots and building in the core so that they could "bundle them" according to a developers needs. A parking lot today, a building tomorrow.
There are a couple of things wrong with this. First as stated many times here, the city should not be in the development business. Secondly from what I have seen, developers are not exactly knocking down the doors to get these bundles, even with the 5 years tax holiday on improvements( which Dan, Hugh and the DBIA boys tried to get to 20 or 30)
Dan and Dan seem to think that having the Wood Innovation downtown will spur a rebirth of the whole area. Unfortunately IMO downtown will continue to die until Prince George starts to grow again.
Lonesome ....

Perhaps you do not know that the area of downtown north of 7th does not require landowners to provide parking as part of their development. Building parkades is the last resort so most of the parking takes up space lots of space.

Sure, if there is a development, the City would not turn that down and would end up having to build a parking garage. That was the case with the Chances building, for instance. It was also the case with Plaza 400.

So, while the City has been acquiring some land, most of the lots that the City owns have been owned for several decades and would be replaced at a high cost if they are used for parking, not only to replace the parking lost, but also to provide more parking generated by the new building on the property.
Commonwealth paid $2,150,000-2,200,000.00 for the shares of the Prince George Hotel. Included in that purchase was the cold beer and wine store license. Commonwealth sold that license to the Ramada for $250,000.00 dollars; they sold the hotel to the City of Prince George for $ 2,500,000.
No matter how you cut the cookie, the “gross”, amount made on the sale was in excess of ½ million dollars.
To make it more clear Dan;
Purchase; $2,200,000.00
Sale Liquor License $250,000.00
Sale City Of Prince George $2,500,000.00

Total $2,550,000.00
Gross Profit $ 550,000.00
What your expenses were in order to make the sale to the City Of Prince George, or how you got the shares over to the city with or without tax means nothing to me or the taxpayers. If you deduct the $250,000.00 from the sale of the beer store license, the City taxpayers paid $550,000.00 more for the building and property than Commonwealth Campuses “Corp” Inc, Commonwealth Properties, or Commonwealth Health or Commonwealth “whatever” did.
I used to click on the Commonwealth ad on Opinion250 to see what the interest rates were.
Then one day they just disappeared. When I called, they said that Commonwealth had cancelled the ad.
Did they cancel the ad because Commonwealth and Dan didn’t like the stories that had been written?
Judging from today Dan is one of the loyal readers.
Ben:

A couple of errors in your calculations... based on your numbers the Gross Income to Commonwealth would be $2,750,000 and the excess cost to the Prince George Taxpayers would be $300,000. The other $250,000 of profit would have been paid by the Ramada.

For the record...Commonwealth Whatever purchased the "shares" of Coole Hotels Ltd and then sold "assets" to the City of Prince George and the Ramada. Presumably they would be facing some tax issues as a result. Their cost allocation is likely where McLaren is challenging your figures.

The fact remains...the Taxpayers paid $300,000 that they needn't have paid had they purchased the property directly from the Coole family as they had been negotiating to do. The City had paid half the costs of an appraisal on the property and then for reasons unknown advised the Coole family they were no longer interested in the property as there was "no money in the budget to purchase it".

There is obviously a lot more to this story that doesn't look good!

Hershel or anyone else for that matter.

There is one important piece of information missing in all of this. What was the price the Cooles wanted from the City. What was on the offer on the table when the City withdrew?
hershel

According to the figures provided

1. Purchase of land + license
$2,200,000

2. Sale of license
$2,200,000 - $250,000 = $1,950,000 for land

3. Sale of land
$2,500,000 - $1,950,000 = $550,000 gross profit.

Back to what we do not know. One possible scenario is that the City walked away from an offer of say $2,600,000

If anything like that is the scenario, then the taxpayer gained and Commonwealth gained.

So, you see why it is important to have the missing piece in order to make a true judgement of "good deal"? "bad deal"?
Hershel

Your reasoning is incorrect- Commonwealth took something of value from the property(liquor license) and sold it,their net cost would then be in the 2 million range. They then sold the property to the city for 2.5 million so it is the taxpayers who kicked in the 500k profit to flip the property.
As I have suggested...since it was a share purchase, how the purchase costs are allocated (regarding the assets)can certainly paint the picture many ways.

The appraisal paid for by the City of PG and the Cooles estimated the value at a range that the purchase price fell within. The differnce between the two purchasers was that the City was dealing on purchasing assets and Commonwealth purchased shares. Obviously a significant benefit to the vendor from a Capital Gains perspective. Did the city pay too much for the property? You answer that question...we paid more than Commonwealth paid but it was within the range of the appraisal. I believe we need also ask, what was the purpose of the purchase, before we can determine if it was a "good or bad deal"

The City withdrew from the discussions very abrubtly and with no logical explanation, based on the fact they ended up buying the property shortly after and within the estimated appraised value. It begs the question,why would the CPG purchase from a third party (investor) when we have a City Real Estate Division that deals with these purchases on a regular basis? It is interesting to know the connection of some members of the City Real Estate department to some of the investors within Commonwealth. I assume that would have no bearing on the negotiations by the city.

Commonwealth did not approach the Coole family to purchase the property but the Manager (no longer employed there) of The Ramada Hotel did, representing it to be a purchase by The Ramada...on closing the Purchaser turned out to be Commonwealth Campus Corp. Maybe a little different that Commonwealth would use the Ramada Manager as a front man, but (possibly they had recently met when they were both candidates as the Chamber's Business Person of the Year, McLaren didn't win, the winner ended up unemployed shortly after).

Am I the only one that finds it odd that Commonwealth chose the name Commonwealth Campus Corp. for this purchase? Do you think maybe they were confident that it would be the site of the proposed Wood Innovation Centre? Assuming that was the site chosen...Commonwealth could do very well on the flip of the adjoining lots that would be required ...plan was the Provincial Government would purchase them and donate to the Wood Innovation Centre.
(This of course would be after Commonwealth was not successful in the reported offer by NDI Trust to UNBC which would have been a huge windfall for Commonwealth) Both scenarios represent another contribution of Taxpayers dollars to the cause if successful.

My question is ...assuming the Wood Innovation Centre is a viable program for UNBC and the decided site is to be in the downtown area...does it not make sense that they City or the Province would do the land assembly (based on the staff and experience available to them) rather than relying on a Private Investor (with no prior experience), funded by Government Money (NDI Trust)who in turn will sell it back to us, the taxpayers, at an inflated price?

I repeat...something stinks in this deal!