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FRIDAY FREE FOR ALL - September 17th, 2010

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Friday, September 17, 2010 12:00 AM

Another week has passed and  another Friday  is here, that means it is time for the Friday Free for All.

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I hope eveyone is ready for winter, especially with us getting below freezing at night....what is that about.
Also, just a quick reminder to everyone, Please check the bulbs on your vehicle...I have been driving around and just this past week, I saw at least 8 vehicles without any brake lights at all, numerous vehicles with at least one or more brake light bulbs burnt out. I even saw one vehicle that either had a short or someone did some bad wiring in it, and the brake light was on all the time...
Lets all be safe out on the roads, especially since we have a chance of ice on them...It is NOT worth risking your life or others just to be at a meeting on time!
I hope eveyone is ready for winter, especially with us getting below freezing at night....what is that about.
Also, just a quick reminder to everyone, Please check the bulbs on your vehicle...I have been driving around and just this past week, I saw at least 8 vehicles without any brake lights at all, numerous vehicles with at least one or more brake light bulbs burnt out. I even saw one vehicle that either had a short or someone did some bad wiring in it, and the brake light was on all the time...
Lets all be safe out on the roads, especially since we have a chance of ice on them...It is NOT worth risking your life or others just to be at a meeting on time!
The following web site does a good job of keeping track of the downward spiral of the world's debt saturated economies:

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
Lets say hypothetically we had a new political coalition that represented the free enterprise middle class and small business majority... and lets say it had a policy on taxation of labor.

If so, then I would suggest it would have the following as one of its guiding principals to be enshrined in the charter of rights:

'Any labor can only be taxed directly once through payroll deductions only by each employer, and not through any other means of hidden taxation on labor.'

What this would mean is that the only taxes incurred as a result of employing an employee would be the income tax, CPP, EI, vacation pay, and benefits deductions. It would mean an employees labor can not be taxed through back door methods such as the GST and HST, or any other type of hidden tax on labor.

HST is a tax primarily targeting labor, and not the selling of goods.

Labor costs are not considered input credits and therefor any labor costs incurred, which have to be funded through revenue, are essentially taxed a flat tax for their employment not only on the employees net income, but on the gross income including the income taxes paid, the CPP and EI matched and paid, and all the benefits... which are essentially costs that are not input credits and therefor are double taxed with the HST as it is received in revenue to cover the cost of employees in the operating costs of doing business.

This is fundamentally wrong morally as well as economically. We should not be taxed on taxes paid. We should not have a two tier taxation on labor where some labor is taxed progressively based on a persons yearly income (income tax) and tied directly to that employee... and an additional tax (HST) is flat taxed regardless of yearly income and hidden through accounting means from an employee knowing about this additional tax on labor.

The established political parties of government employees and monopoly multinationalism both have a vested interest to double tax labor to raise government revenue. Neither political camp will truly put in any effort into changing this.

Clearly our aim needs to turn a full 180 degrees and bead a line straight to Ottawa and the federal conservatives under Stephen Harper. We need to understand that the federal conservatives are not really a conservative party of the free enterprise model our economy was traditionally based on, but rather has become an organ of the monopoly multinationals. We empower them by letting them live the lie that they are real conservatives.

What I think needs to be done is have the above policy enacted in the Charter of Rights... In the process of making the HST legal as per the Charter of Rights... we would then have to provide input credits for the cost of labor (not reducing the provincial component 2% as some have suggested). Eliminate the productivity crutch of HST on Canadian labor across the entire country and not just in BC.

Harmonize the right to not have Canadian labor double taxed through hidden taxes like the HST.

Free Canadian workers to be all that they can be, and only tax them through direct payroll deductions... so that no tax on a mans labor can be hidden through a process like the HST. HST should be a tax on consumption and added value... and not an indirect tax on labor.

A free enterprise party that represents the working middle class and small business would have to make it policy that they would challenge this tax on Canadian labor all the way to the Charter of Rights. A challenge to see input credits for any labor component in operating costs for a sales tax to be legal. Then and only then would this HST tax be just.

Like a credit card statement, or a criminal record, or any other legal interaction a person has... a person has a right to see exactly what his labor is being taxed, and it should be on his statement under the appropriate payroll deductions.

The ndp, the liberals, and the conservatives will use every angle of rhetoric to hide this tax on labor, and I say we as the working taxed should not stand for it for one second. We should instead support a new free enterprise option through the creation of a free enterprise coalition to remove the political parasites from our hard earned employment.
Charles the truth hurts to much for some people to read. Thanks for the link though... scary stuff indeed.
Canada's gdp is approximately 1.6 Trillion (1600 Billion)$

Our total household credit outstanding as of July 2010 is 1465 Billion$

http://credit.bank-banque-canada.ca/householdcredit

Our total business credit outstanding as of July 2010 is 1211 Billion$

http://credit.bank-banque-canada.ca/businesscredit

The total government gross debt in Canada as of the end of June 2010 is 1695 Billion$

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/100913/t100913a4-eng.htm

Canada's total debt to gdp is 273 %

Which is not too far off the total debt to gdp of the United States, which was about 350 % (6 months ago)

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/uploads/2010/Mar/debt-to-gdp.png

Check out the slope of the chart in the last link. How can any reasonable person think they can solve this kind of a debt problem by going even further into debt?

I hope no one is too surprised when Canada's housing market (and economy) comes crashing down around our ears in the very near future.
I was wondering if the conservative base that has been advocating the removal of the registry will move onto to other issues or continue to make this an issue and blindly support the conservatives. any thought?
I like registries. We have all this computer power in the world that allows us to register everything that is distinguishable from another thing.

I have tons of books. I am waiting to register them. Also my old 33rpm vinyl records. I need badly to register them someplace legitimate.
Anyone know what problem the City has with the Keg? Apparantly lots of problems trying to get a building permit. I believe the city has shut the renovations down. Not so business friendly by sounds of it.
The Keg charges too much for a steak. Go to Jakes.
Any bets on who gets the Canada Winter Games? my vote is for PG but i am guessing Kelowna gets it.
Good Sunny Friday Morning to All!
Please watch the following video. It is very important before you vote. We have been scammed since Tredeau!




http://vodpod.com/watch/3072115-oh-canada-our-bought-and-sold-out-land
Good point gus!
I am considering registering my lawnmower and my wife!
I already registered my dog.
Charles:-"Canada's total debt to gdp is 273 % .....How can any reasonable person think they can solve this kind of a debt problem by going even further into debt?"
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We can't, Charles. But under the present system we also can't help but go further into debt because the whole economic system as it stands is not fully 'financially' self-liquidating as the production it constantly initiates is completed for final consumption.

The money "figures" used by finance no longer reflect the actual, physical "facts". That's what must be rectified if we are to avert periodic recurring crashes, (or one massive crash), and begin to reverse the pile up of ever more un-repayable debt.
"Anyone know what problem the City has with the Keg? Apparently lots of problems trying to get a building permit. I believe the city has shut the renovations down. Not so business friendly by sounds of it."

If you mean that the city is willing to let building and safety codes slide then yeah, this city is very business unfriendly. That site is an engineering nightmare, and we should be thankful someone at city hall is doing their job so we can have safe buildings.

I'd hate to work at the city. You do your job, your accused of being against business. You don't do your job enough and your a lazy overpaid oaf.
Happy Friday everyone - have a great weekend!

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I would like to register my family jewels, theres only two of them, but they're very valuable to me and yes registering them would be a good idea i think.
I would like to register my Kitchen Knifes (8) ,Chainsaw,Sledge Hammer and many other so called Weapons , who do I call to be in compliance with future Laws, my Knifes are not safely stored, they are in open View on the Counter, ready to be used by anyone .
Red Rock weigh scale and the Stone Creek projects are really getting tiresome, there just doesn't seem to be any progress. Just snail paced movements. Maybe next fall? What a joke. Soon maybe the airport hill job will be done.
Care to expand on what the engineering problems at the Keg are? I haven't heard anything about this.
woooohoooo 2015!!!! congrats people!
Prince George wins the 2015 Canada Winter Games.
It’s a beautiful morning and here we are sitting and staring at a one eyed monster hoping to get answers to some of our problems like the national debt.

It is so obvious but we simply ignore the facts. Instead we rely on the monster to give us answers. The fact is that we have to many feeding at a trough that’s half empty. There is our famous Jimmy Pattison, Warren Buffet the list is endless as th the number of billionaires in our society. The great leaders of our governments in North America started with the free trade agreement. They eventually got Mexico to sign the North American free trade agreement and guess what happened. Mexico gained 30 more billionaires in their society and poverty remains the same.

Unless we start to invest profits into producing consumable goods in Canada and not accept this globalization crap because if it continues we will have many more billionaires and we will become a third world country.
Cheers
Eagleone good read but what is this "The established political parties of government employees" I am a govnment employee, where is my free tax ride? Oh by the way six years of training for the job I have.
Anyone ever hear of the Bakken formation oil field.




Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?
They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:

- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

- 18-times as much oil as Iraq

- 21-times as much oil as Kuwait

- 22-times as much oil as Iran

- 500-times as much oil as Yemen

- and it’s all right here in the Western United States .


Don’t think ‘ OPEC’ will drop its price - even with this find? Think again! It’s all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
We are WINTER!!! Oh goody, more taxes.
Yahoooooooooooooooooo we won the bid for the 1015 Winter Games - I am grateful we have a professional group of people able to do these things for us successful. Way to go! Congratulations - let the games being!
Another cancer run. Cancer came to my house and after five years we were told we are "cancer free". In 1980 Terry Fox got the cancer ball rolling after running half way across Canada and raised millions of dollars. Since then we have cancer runs and fundraisers every week of the year somewhere in Canada. Raise funds for a cure. Myself, I believe cancer like every other disease like it is in your genes at the moment of conception. You are pre-destined so to speak. Be it cancer, diabetes, heart disease ALS, MS, MD Alzheimer's, Parkinson's etc. There is brain cancer, throat cancer, oral cancer, lung cancer, colon cancer, cervical cancer, Leukemia (cancer of the blood) and skin cancer. In the last thirty years we have raised millions upon million for research and the building of huge edifices with in which to deal with cancer. When cancer is diagnosed there only three options. They are not cures. They are called remedies . The first is called chemotherapy. That is where you are given a toxic brew of chemicals which the doctors believe will combat the cancer tumour. Very many side effects including loss of hair. The second step is radiation. Reminiscent of Hiroshima but focused in a very small area of the cancer itself. Lastly there is the surgical removal of the cancer. Akin to cutting the fat off of a roast. Again these are not cures, just a way to get rid of the cancer so as to not let it grow. I doubt we will see a "cure" for cancer in our lifetimes. Not smoking does not preclude cancer. My grandmother had lung cancer and never smoked in her life. Smoking does not cause cancer but you are more susceptible to it if you do smoke. Skin cancer can be avoided by limiting sun to an extent. Again, not a cure. Chemicals, radiation and surgery. Not cures. Just procedures. Gene therapy? If it is discovered you can prevent the onset of cancer by eliminating the gene, who will be first and how much will it cost? Good luck raising money for cancer. Living causes cancer. Leaving on a more higher note I can say to any one who tells me to live every day like it is my last, if I do I will never get my laundry done.
I am not ready for winter sum42guy2k.
Here's hoping that warmer temperatures come back for a bit. But yes, it does feel chilly in the morning!

Andyfreeze, I heard your wife already registered you!! She did so, well before the HST. Women, they are smart like that!

Beautiful fall color changes. I hope everyone has a chance to enjoy!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, if the cold is really uncomfortable, perhaps this region is not for you. I would hate to see anyone suffer for almost half of the year.

Cancer research: The fourth major industry in the world.

Administering cancer treatments: the fifth major industry.

Preventing a toxic environment to avoid inducing more cancer, last major industry.

As harbinger stated, almost every week there is an event to raise funds. Surely it has reached trillions in donations over the years.
As harbinger stated, almost every week there is an event to raise funds. Surely it has reached trillions in donations over the years.

And who gets all the trillions. First three guesses dont count.
Cheers
Fall colours. Agree. Need to spend some time out there with the camera. A very short period with both colours and sun matching up.
Seamutt.

Your link says:

"3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate"

Where does the 2 Trillion come from?
Seamutt .... read this ..

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp

Luckily you do not set Canada's energy policy :-)
Wait... wait .. I take that back.

You could not so any worse than our current federal government ... LOL
He Gus I was just passing it along, back off.
Yeeech....

Actually you made a comment about OPEC funding the environmentalists.

Just want to make sure that people didn't think there was tons of oil there, at least not easily reachable. If there is any there, it appears to be shale, so difficult to extract such as the oil/tar sands which, by the way, are estimated to have 1.7 trillion barrels on CANADIAN soil.

On another note, methinks I should phone any tow truck company for some news. Concerning the upcoming change in drinking/driving laws that will allow the cops to confiscate yer car. I doubt my government in Victoria has done a good job in acquiring secure 24/7 protection of impounded vehicles. Enclosed compound? Where? Three strands of barb wire on top of the eight foot chain link fence to deter any patrons of the future "midnight auto wreckers". Have the car towed to yer home if you promise the cop? Interesting law. Interesting results.
When in hell are people gonna learn, when you're driving your vehicle and turning left on to a 4 lane street, be it 5th Ave, or the bypass, you immediately go to the inside lane, NOT THE CURB LANE! Three times today, idiots turned right came off the light right in to the curb lane. Don't you understand traffic law? You have to go to the lane nearest you, then signal and safely go in to the curb lane! Don't worry, my frustrations will pass and I will calm down. Its just that it seems a lot of people don't concentrate on driving when they're behind the wheel, thinking about too many other things when they're wielding a 1/2 or 1 ton piece of metal around other people.
Exactly! Almost had an accident today as a lady did the same thing to me and just about rammed me in the intersection of Austin Road and the Hart Highway! My blood pressure took a dive...I was surprised she forgot to give me the one finger salute!
In addition sort of to my rant, DUH, I meant
left.
S'okay, god my valium, gniiiight.
Slim2229, it doesn't matter, right or left, they do it from either lane. It is so simple, if you are making a left turn ( I would assume from the left lane), you proceed into the left lane of the street you are turning on to. If you are making a right turn, you turn into the right lane of the street you are turning on to. You stay in that designated lane until it is safe to change into the desired lane (left or right)that you wish to be in. Sheeeeeeeeeeesh, Prince George drivers....lol No better in Calgary Slim, same everywhere I am guessing.
My understanding of the Bakken oil fields is that yes, there are huge amounts of oil in these fields, however the oil is in shale, and therefore very hard to get out.

There is some drilling taking place, and apparently what they do is drill into the shale, and then set of a explosion that makes a huge hole. The oil then flows into the hole and is extracted. This is a very slow, and expensive way to get oil out of the ground, and is the reason why it has not been extracted to any large degree.

The same thing applies to most of the oil that is in the Nechako basin. It is located in shale, and we may never be able extract it cheap enough to make it worthwhile.

gus the tar sand are estimated to contain 170 billion barrels not 1.7 trillion, big difference
http://www.energy.alberta.ca/OilSands/791.asp
whole world is estimated to have 1.3 trillion left
43 years to go
With the pounding our potholed streets are taking from all the heavy truck traffic in residential areas of PG I wonder why the city allows heavy trucks to have access to residential areas for three hours at a time? With this 3 hour time limit these truckers are permitted to drive their heavy rigs home for lunch, dinner or breakfast. Does the parking enforcement division chalk the tires of these trucks to ensure they are no longer than the 3 permitted hours? I think not. How can the city allow this and not enforce their own bylaws? With a 3 hour time limit comes the requirement of the city to chalk tires. They do your personal car in the downtown correct? Then there are the guys who think they are permitted to park their trucks in residential areas overnight. One that comes to mind is a chiptruck with the name Elite on the door. If I recall correctly this company is owned by a local current or retired RCMP officer. I wonder if he knows his driver is parking his truck illegally? The city has been informed numerous times about this rig and refuses to do anything because she, (one of the bylaw officers) says it's too time consuming for them to take care of. Exactly what is the purpose of bylaw services if not to enforce our cities bylaws?
Seamutt, you took the quote out of context. What was referred to was that there is an obvious connection between the ndp and the government workers that make up the core support of the ndp. Ditto for monopoly multinationism voters they tend to vote liberal or conservative, because the people think they are voting for an ideology.

The point was that both have vested interests that the political parties have a symbiotic relationship with. And meanwhile the real economy made up of small business entrepreneurs and those that are employed by them (the majority) are left unrepresented and bleed financially from both sides of the 'political' spectrum.

If one is a government union worker, then there is nothing wrong with being honest about that and voting ndp because the ndp will bring home the bacon. Ditto for someone that votes for corpratism because they think its related to some kind of freedom... they have a right to vote that way too. And lets say there was a free enterprise party that represented middle class workers and small business... then it would be logical that those people should vote for that party as well.

As for the 'free tax ride'.. you lost me there... I have no idea what you meant by that. Your salary is paid for by the private sector taxes. Its the private sector that needs protection from the Hostage Slave Tax. Your salary is secure, but the small sap working for a small business needs to pay a tax on a tax before they can keep any of their revenue to cover their other costs to stay in business.

HST on the gross revenue of a small business (not the business profits) represents... because there is no input credit for employee costs... represents a tax on the revenue needed to cover the costs of an employee's net pay... HST on the income tax paid... HST on the EI paid... HST on the CPP premiums paid... HST on the benefits of the employee... and HST on the employers matching costs for income tax, CPP, EI, and on and on the taxing of HST on other taxes.

This is all because the revenue (which is all taxed HST) is not all value added 'profits', but rather some of that revenue in addition to purchasing goods that come with an input credit... some of that revenue also needs to cover the full costs of the employees and the taxes and benefits that are required for those employees.

This therefore is a hidden flat tax on cost of employees, and even more insidious is that it is a hidden flat tax not only on the employee pay, but also the taxes the employee has paid, or the employer has paid on behalf of the employee. Its a tax on a tax all squarely aimed at Canadian workers to double tax them through stealth so as to avoid being accountable for the real tax on labor our government is exacting.

If you think you pay 30% income tax you are wrong. With HST you are more likely paying indirectly through your employer nearly twice that when you factor in the 12% tax on the taxes, benefits, and wages.. as well as the fact it is a flat tax with no basic exemption or write offs of any kind available. Lets see the studies done on that.

So the government should pick their tax, but not double tax one with the left hand (income tax and benefits), and the other through stealth with the right hand (Human Slave Tax), and taxing the taxes to make it all worse.

I say Human Slave Tax because that is what it is when they go for their tax from gross revenues irregardless of profits or lack of profits and the tax is targeted primarily at Canadian labor.

If government 'labor' feels left out its because of their own insular ideological hangups... but I would bet there isn't one free enterprise thinker out there that wouldn't say whats good for business is good for the government. If a government department that charges HST needs to also remit its costs for employees, than I see no reason why they should have the same rules of operation as the private sector... I guess it would in effect increase their government budgets because currently most government departments are top heavy on labor... I guess the budgets could be reduced in a relative world as well thus helping to alleviate budgets.

I'm rambling now....
Furthermore to allowing costs for employees to be written off from the gross revenue used to calculate the HST payable.

This will I believe become a necessity in the coming years and government will be eating up the costs for it to avoid financial ruin. They simply can't devalue the productivity worth of a Canadian employee to this extent and expect Canada to have a middle class any longer. The system will collapse in time and everyone will suffer.

Canada is in huge debt as Charles points out. Canadian workers, 60% of which live pay check to paycheck, are falling behind in their standard of living every year for at least the last 12-years since GST came into force.

Canada will need stimulus to avoid complete collapse in the coming year... it will have little utility to again bail out banksters and corporate multinationals if the base of the economy (the working middle class and small business) finally collapses under the immense weight eating any green shoot that tries to break through the smothering tax burden.

It makes no sense to stimulate with further monetary inflation financed with further debt and cheep interest rates encouraging more of the problem that got us here in the hope to stave off reality for a few more months.

By simply getting out of the business of taxing a Canadian employees labor twice, and taxing the payroll taxes... the government could stimulate the economy where it counts... at its core in the middle class and the small business and the wage earner in general.

By simply saying you can deduct the cost of your employee from your gross revenue when submitting your HST remittance... by saying HST is not about double taxing labor, and is really about taxing value added 'profits'... we would in effect give back a guaranteed 12% to the value pie of a company for the cost of its employees.

This 12% return for the cost of an employee could then be strongly encouraged, announced, and expect to be passed along to the employees in a one time pay raise. A lifting fiscally of the middle class, the working class, and all classes of salaried and wage earners by likely 10%... thereby changing the debt matrix globally across the entire Canadian economy and buying real time with real lives of real Canadians to address rising costs, rising debt, and shrinking value for their work.

A 12% boost to the productivity value of employing a Canadian worker would do wonders to repatriate Canadian jobs, it would do wonders for a society that has seen wages and salaries stagnating, but most important it would be the morally right thing to do from the perspective of a free enterprise economy.

A 12% boost i Canadian worker productivity would cost less then a tenth of our past bailouts of the banksters and multinationals... it would be lasting... it would be the morally right thing to do, and likely the only policy available to the government anyways once they have exhausted all the fiscal child abuse they can on the Canadian society and monetary policy has no where else to go because they are already at rock bottom.

AIMHO