Where the heck are Bond and Bell, let em all walk the plank.

acrider54 ... go give the recall group hell. Get on the phone to them. Picket them. Recall them. Obviously not doing their job, eh?

Good workers are hard to find these days. :-)

Bell is on the recall list. Opinion 250 has an inaccurate list.

once again the north is being ignored...
what happend to Bell. About the most useless one of them all...my opinion...

Maybe this will be a wake up call to Gordon and friends. Hold the referendum in 2010. We don't need another year of Liberal propaganda with Gordon trying to convince us taking after tax dollars out of our jeans and giving it to large corporations is good for us.
Given the flip-flop on the deficit, BC Rail, the no HST on the radar statements during the election this group certainly can't portray themselves as superior money managers to the alternative.
A viable 3rd party and a minority gov't would sure be an improvement to the current 2 party fiasco.

There should be 85 names on that list.
Restore respect and fear of the voters so they are not such arrogant untouchables.

MLA's should be considered untouchable in the East Asian caste sense.

sekwof, Pat Bell is not one of the 18 MLA's being recalled as per Vander Zalm's announcement today.
He is, however, on the recall list as one of the top 24 MLA's being recalled.

sekwof, Pat Bell is not one of the 18 MLA's being recalled as per Vander Zalm's announcement today.
He is, however, on the recall list as one of the top 24 MLA's being recalled.

Off topic...A must read...Colin Hansen spouted the biggest whopper lies last tuesday..Colin Hansen has invented cash out of magic beans!....

The bigger the deficit the more magic cash beans Colin Hansen uses!...Read the shoking story here...Hansen must resign today!, along with the Habitual LIAR Gordon Campbell!


http://www.burnabynow.com/news/Fictitious+funds+rescue+budget/3542690/story.html

I agree -- Pat & Shirley should be on the list

The Premier should also be on the list. He didn't win Point Grey by much of a margin, which says something.

Next, the Education Minister who isn't doing much of a job ...

So where is Bond?
She should be right at the top!

What is wrong with you stupid people? Pat and Shirley have done so much for the Province especially the north. You seem to forget very fast.

I guess "stupid people" dont like being lied to!!! Done so much! What a joke.

Yeah, Pat and Shirley have done a lot to try and hide from accountability.

People should take a deep breath and think about the re-call process as it now stands in the Elections BC legislation.

No. 1. Any person in a riding who is a registered voter can start a recall. All that is required is for the proponent to fill out an application form, pay $50.00 and in 200 words or less state why he is trying to re-call the MLA. Any reason is apparently acceptable.

No. 2. Once a proponents application has been approved by Elections BC. He has 60 days to collect signatures from voters registered in the riding at the last election. He/She must get 40% of the registered voters to sign the petition. This means that in order to re-call Pat Bell, for example they would need. 40% of 32,913 registered voters. Or 13,165 valid signatures. This is a very high threshold, and you have only 60 days to attain it.

No. 3. Once the proponents application has been approved by Elections BC he then has to register every canvasser who wishes to canvas for signatures in the riding where the re-call is taking place. This process would take a week or two and of course would cut into the alloted time to get the signatures.

No. 4. The proponent must also register his Finiancial Agent, and his deputy finiancial agent with Elections BC.

No. 5. Any registered voter, can register as a canvasser and can also canvass in other ridings however he must register as a canvasser in the ridings where he is canvassing.

So at the end of the day the decision as to where re-calls will take place, who will register as a proponent, and who will register as canvassers will be determined in the riding where a proponent registers. Vanderzalm, and Delaney and the anti-HST group, will be a sort of umbrella group, and assist those people who are actually running the re-calls, and will try and help them with the advertising, and if possible with the cost of running a campaign.

The restriction on spending for both the Proponent and the MLA being re-called will be in the area of $25000.00. However I dont beleive that there is any restriction on 3rd party advertising, and therefore the Government, and Business will have far more funds available for advertising than any proponent.

Its time that people came to realize that this whole antiHST movement is being run by volunteers, who for the most part have spent their own money, and have spent days, and months, of their own time to try and get this tax removed.

For people to sit back and suggest that these volunteers get the lead out and start a re-call is somewhat lucicrous, considering that most of the people who are criticizing the process, have done nothing themselves to make it a success.

There is good possibility that there will be a re-call started against Pat Bell, and Shirley Bond, especially if they continue to preach the party line that this tax is good for business, good for consumers, and wont cost us much. Or if we were just a little smarter then we would understand how great this tax is.

Bottom line. Re-calls will start in January 2011, with three MLA's being targeted, and then one per month after that. That is the antiHST movements plan, however nothing stops us from also starting some recalls in January.

If the people in Prince George MacKenzie and Prince George Valemount want a re-call then they need continue to show their support and we will in fact have one.

One way to show your displeasure is to show up at the anti-HST Rally at Pat Bells office on Saturday Sept 25th at 10am. They would like to see as many people as possible at this rally to send a message.

So see you on Saturday.

Have a nice day.

I think this "Survivor" game Chris Delaney and his troops are pulling is a wrong move.

Recalling our MLA's doesn't lend itself to levity, it's serious business. If you want to control the mob then take the high ground and stick to facts. If you want the mob to control you, by all means start frivolous movements linking lousy reality television with our democratic rights.

I understand this needs to be marketed, but it should not be marketed as entertainment.

I'm sure all of us on the anti-HST side take the recall process very seriously, Pojeb. It is not 'entertainment' to us, despite the analogy to the "Survivor" tv series.

It will be a challenge to successfully recall anyone with the process as it is, but we will work within the law, using whatever small advantages are available to us.

So we want to determine very carefully those ridings where we have the greatest chance of achieving our objective. Where we can get the most volunteers out to duplicate the earlier successes we've had in getting the signatures needed.

And the method chosen is probably the best way to do just that. Once we are successful in the likeliest three ridings, if we can overcome the odds and actually pull it off, others will quickly follow.

The Survivor thing is just a way to give the various ridings a chance to be the first to start a re-call. Whats the alternative???


Do you just let VanderZalm and Delaney decide who will be a proponent on re-call and where these re-calls will be held. I doubt if you could consider that as democratic.

At least through this Survivior process you will be able to have each riding participate, and get a chance to be first.

Naturally the Liberals will use this, and any other thing they can to try and discredit this process, however it wont work.

You can hardly call 5000 volunteers who worked for 6 months to get the necessary signatures on a petition frivoulus. The antiHST movment is a grass roots movement that has one specific issue on its agenda.

Get rid of the HST. The Liberals will do everything in their power to change the focus on this issue, and try and make the average taxpayer feel guilty about recinding this tax. Their tactics are juvenile at best.

The HST must be recinded, and the sooner it is, the better.

Palopu, well we now know that you're no rocket scientist. Do you really want digress and go back to the previous government? I guess you also don't like indoor plumbing or electricity.

"if we can overcome the odds and actually pull it off, others will quickly follow."

I see .... and where have you seen that work before socredible?

My theory is that if 3 or so are successful, if others will be tried as well, the complacent opposition to the recall may just be pissed off enough to come out and make sure it does not happen again.

So, your theory versus my theory. As I asked, can you point to one or more examples where it has worked to back up your theory?

Palopu,

During the petition part of the HST campaign, we were all told repeatedly what the signature turnout was like. I'd say the ridings to try a recall in would be the places which had the greatest percentage of signatories to the petition in relation to the percentage who voted in the last provincial election.

If twice as many people showed up to sign the petition as vote in the last election, it's a safe bet a recall will work there.

The whole Survivor gimmick is just a way of getting the herd mentality involved. Kudos to Delaney and Vanderzalm for trying, but the herd doesn't always have to be mobilized by amusement. A greater impact would be had giving out leaflets outside a liquor store on Friday afternoons explaining how the HST savings on the beer they just bought was taken away from them by our government increasing their "markups" to keep prices "constant," just like all the other retailers have done with any savings they get from the HST.

http://hst.blog.gov.bc.ca/faqs/other/#9

Opinionated,we have not forgotten what the NDP did during the 90's,but we also haven't had our heads stuck up our asses during the past ten years,as you obviously have had your's buried there.

Gus, in a war, if you attack an entrenched opposition on a broad front with all your troops you're apt to fail. So you narrow your front, and concentrate on the other sides' weakest points, and make a breakthrough. And once you've breached their front line, it begins to crumble. They can't hold it, they have to fall back, while they still can.

Recall, as has been noted, has never been successful here in BC in any of the attempts previously made. Some of those attempts should have failed ~ they were simply based on frivolous issues, and supported by people trying to re-fight the last general election.

But some others did have considerable merit, and the issue that prompted them was far from frivolous. Still, they did not succeeed.

What is needed, first, is a clear demonstration that the process can actually work.

Personally, I think if we are successful in three, maybe even if it looks like we might be successful, the government will cave, and we'll have a Referendum sooner than next September, (I doubt whether Campbell would ever allow a 'free vote' on the issue in the Legislature ~ that would set a precedent that would erode too much of his ability to dictate.)

The Vander Zalm/Delaney stategy is actually quite brilliant. The government doesn't know which of the most likely 18 ridings are going to be the first three hit. And it might not even be one of those 18. There could still be a 'grass roots' movement in any of the other ridings to make their MLA one of the chosen three. So it's their front line that's now spread too thin, rather than ours.

I have yet to be convinced that the Anti-HST is anything but a publicity campaign for Zanderzalm so he can reclaim his reputation. The sad thing is it appears he is an unwitting dupe of the NDP who are only too happy to help him tear down the Liberals.

He doesn't have to "tear down the Liberals", hopeforfuture, they're already self-destructing.

I cant understand why is the recalls not starting on Nov 16? Why is it waiting until new years. By new year we could already have 3 of these bums removed from office it would be a nice christmas present for gordo. Maybe he might see fit to allow the referendum to start in Jan. Just seems to me that some how were missing almost 2 months and thats all the time needed to gather the signatures. I was a petition canvasser and I know how many people were eager to sign. I will be happy to visit them all again hopefully starting Nov 16 here in PG/Mackenzie. I really dislike pat bell and cant wait to see him fired. He deserves it IMO and I am going to work extra hard to get even more signatures this time. Here we come pat. HAHA

I really hope John (TILMA lover) Rustad is on the top of the list as a secret agent behind the scenes for corpocracy being one of the first to face the referendum.

Bell and Bond should be on the recall list as well IMO.