The dummies who ignored their constituents just handed Harper the majority government he wants so badly.
What a bunch of twits!
They WILL be remembered at election time.

It's too bad the panty waists succeeded in convincing some of the MPs to change their vote on this issue. I am not against a gun registry per se, but the one we have is, and always has been, a boondoggle. Just think of the good those billions of dollars could have done if put to a more noble cause. Instead, we have a law that makee ordinary citizens toe the line, while criminals are free to do as they wish, in terms of procuring and owning firearms. The thing of it is, there will always be people who will use a rifle or shotgun to murder another in hot blood, the only thing that will curb that sort of thing is a ban on ordinary citizens owning firearms, which is where this registry is heading, mark my words.
We have watched them do just that in Australia and England, is Canada next?
WHEN GUNS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS (and cops) WILL HAVE GUNS. THEY CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN THEY PRY THEM FROM MY COLD, DEAD FINGERS.
metalman.

Well said metalman!

I hope people move on from this subject at least for a little while. It was voted on and defeated, democracy at work. Focus on more important issues. Unemployment, health care perhaps?

In reality hood rich,this vote was a whipped vote.
The MP's were told they would vote.
How is that democratic?
We are fighting here in B.C. to make our MLA's listen to those who elected them,as opposed to only listening to their almighty party leaders.
This vote was a classic example of what it is that canadians are sick and tired of!

Fear the gov't that fears your guns!

It is a valid point and hopefully one day we do away with whipping the vote. But it is the way our democracy works for now. I just want the pro-gun crowd to put their focus elsewhere. The legislation was defeated, if the PM really cared why didn't he introduce it. This is the PM that controls everything. Too many people get blinded by this issue.

News media: "It costs approximately $1.2 to $3.4 million dollars annually to administer the Long Gun Registry."

Million, with an 'm.'

Conclusion: With the cost of the 4 day G20 extravaganza being 1,000 x $1.2 million the Long Gun Registry can be maintained for 1,000 years or 300 years, take your pick.

Therefore, the argument of the prohibitive cost is just baloney.

we need to rid ourselves of the senate !! the money and complete useless arm for the rich and lame !!!

So what kind of Politic'in was this, Leaders telling the MP's under them to ignore their constituents and go with his way of voting?
Man, these folk are elected by us and they ignore us, don't care if you're Liberal, NDP, or BQ, that's a harsh way to treat Canadians.
How much did this registry cost in the first place, I heard 7 BILLION dollars somewhere.
Handguns had been registered for decades before this, what a waste of our money.
Yes that money could have gone in to health care, education etc. Who brought in the Long Gun Registry anyway?
I can see a lot of people deciding in the next election to elect someone who will listen to them and not the leader of the party they belong to.
Hey HOOD, where did you say this money could have gone to? I thought so.
And did you hear the background noise on CPAC in the house of commons?
What a bunch of children! I'm sick and tired of seeing our house sounding like a grade school.
Andy, Metal, good points, we'll elect you so for gods sake, get out there and put your names in the hat to be MP's, I'll vote for yuh, so will thousands of others.
Anyway, yes, a Conservative majority in the next election. They're the only ones who listen.

Prince George 2 billion and counting.

You keep grinding that axe PrinceGeorge. Don't know where you got those figures but I suggest you check out the this link. Even the government of Canada website considers you figgers lowball.



http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/nr/2007/nr20071116-2-eng.aspx

What chokes me most about this stupid registry, is the fact that if you know your wife, husband, grandpa, grandma, buddy, finance', (or whomever), has a firearm that he didn't bother to register, even if its just Grandpa's old 22 that hasn't been fired or even dusted off in at least 50 years, and you don't turn him or her in to the police for commiting this "crime", then you too, are "aiding and abetting" a criminal in the eyes of the law, and commiting a criminal act yourself !!
Nice -- when your biggest crime against humanity to this point was stealing a cookie or two as a child !
Somehow, I don't feel even a teeny bit safer, now that the registry apparently will continue to "protect" me from my neighbours, or my hunting buddies, or even those drug dealers I read about apparently roaming around in my community.
Alan Rock for Prime Minister !! Haah, that'll be the day !! Too many of us have loooooong memories !!

So close.....damn. It will be interesting to see if this will haunt many MP's. The gun registry is a non evevnt for many people but it is a calvanizing issue for many others. The electorate is tiring of dictitorial government of all stripes and levels. The Hst in bc, tea party in the US, Toronto's mayoral race, even PG city hall. People are getting fed up everywhere of sloppy, arrogant, ineffective, elitist governments. The gun registry is symbolic of all of these.

Since the founding of Canada on July 1, 1867, no judge has ever found that a duty of care exists between Canadians and their protective surrogates. Current enforcement ensures that cops have no duty to serve, and no duty to protect. So what do we get from our wage-takers and pension-whores? The supreme court of Canada has repeatedly allowed cop self-identification of service paramaters. Under judge-law tyranny, said surrogates may only invoke a purely subjective - in Breach of Trust - duty to enforce laws and prevent crime, as per provincial police acts. Cop gangsters administer their jeopardization regime in a manner that voids the Popular Sovereignty basis of the federal Criminal Code. Ninety-Nine percent of the public are accorded a status of personna non grata under the current subversion.

Don't believe it? I can produce 2 dozen recent cop convictions for on duty crimes in BC. The number of these cases that commenced with a citizen complaint? ZERO (Similarly, cop-lobby vetoes over judicial appointments has allowed the Canadian Judicial Council to intentionally unfound - by falsification of determinations of substantiable complaints, 2600 private complaints; not a single complaint by a Rights-holder has ever been investigated by those animals; 100% of complaints by Attorney Generals - again employed only at the pleasure of the cop-lobby - are investigated).

Do you benefit from the cop-lobby controlled Registry? While cops claim that they access same only when needed, in fact Firearms data - viz address, suspect, complainant (!!!) "history" is re-recorded on unit databases (RMS in Vancouver) - so the Firearms data access is universal. In Vancouver, the average slug takes 12 minutes to respond to a "major crime" and that only puts those malfeasants on site. In Vancouver, slugs use the Versadex system to pursue CpIC, CORNET (replacing PIRS) and unit registries. Cop service has been delayed an additional millions of hours since the cop-axe (FR) was forced on Canadians to the private-benefit of cops.

How do cops enforce the Registry? It is done for the purposes of confiscation, at the lowest pretext. One could quantify the jeopardization of public safety from same at billions of dollars since that cop-lobby atrocity was imposed by use of extortion and fraud. You can see from this attached case, exactly how they used same to control the judicial and mental health functions, in order to maintain a less than worthless cop-leisure tool. See how a slug spent "200 hours" - a tenth of a nominal cop year - on one trivial case. Here the "investigator" used, post-investigation, a public office to counter psychiatric evidence of the soundness of a cop-lobby target, and left him without means to protect himself.
http://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2001/2001bcsc579/2001bcsc579.html

When the "Gagne" atrocity is publicized the urban-rural gap will close. Liars will be proven as such, when the REAL battle begins.
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Will the cop-lobby tools - Rich Coleman, Kash Heed, and certain NDP allies - take a fall?
http://www.vancourier.com/story_print.html?id=3535967&sponsor=

I don't think PrinceGeorge or hood rich really understand how deep this issue goes with Canadians everywhere. The will to kill the registry comes from everyday Canadians and so does the funding.

I think people are starting to realize that the whole registry system was built not to keep Canadians safe but to give us the illusion of safety.

The opposition parties knows that Canada is waking up and are basically doing damage control right now. That's why all the "lets get on with business" comments are coming out of Jack and Iggy's mouths, they want to sweep this atrocity under the rug and get it forgotten ASAP.

This isn't over, not by a long shot.

from http://news.therecord.com/article/773465
...as a new poll by The Canadian Press Harris-Decima revealed that support for the gun registry was on the rise late last month, even before the RCMP released a favourable evaluation of the program.

In the Aug. 26-29 survey, 48 per cent of respondents said it would be a bad idea to get rid of the registry, up from 42 per cent in April and 41 per cent last November.

About 38 per cent thought the registry should be scrapped, down from 45 per cent in April and 46 per cent last November.

So, democracy. You don't like it move to Somalia or Afghanistan.

Guess I'll have to register the rest of my guns.

The Gun Registry was brought in by the Liberals to garner votes in the metropolitan areas at the expense of rural Canada. It was a billion dollar boondoogle, and Alan Rock along with Anne McLellan from Edmonton was the driving force behind it.

Rocks implementing of this bill had consequences for him later when he tried for the Liberl leadership. He was beat out by (Mr Dithers) Paul Martin. He eventually left politics, and I understand that he is now president of the University of Ottawa.

Anne McLellan was defeated in her Edmonton riding and is now working at some law firm.

The new grease balls that are keeping the registry are Ignatieff (The Import) from Harvard. A danny dimwit if there ever was one. I suspect if he cut himself with his razor he would faint.

The other running dog is Jack (The talking Mustache) Layton. This gooney bird thinks he is a metropolitan mover and shaker.

Last but not least is Gilles (The Separtist) Guseppe. This guy is a sovernist who makes his living working for the Federal Government of Canada. (Only in Canada)

These three dunderheads are the ones that are keeping the Registry alive, because they all get support from doing so.

I suspect that the NDP MP's sell-out in the rural areas of Canada on this issue has put the proverbial nail in the coffin of the NDP, and hopefully will result in the Conservatives getting a majority.

If the Conservatives get a majority one of the best benefits will be to see Ignatieff pack his suitcase and head South.

I will then say in all sincerity. **Thank God and Greyhound he's gone**

Okay, I'm fairly Liberal, but the registry is freaking waste of money. Get over it already ...

"PrinceGeorge 2 billion and counting."

True enough, it is common knowledge that is has cost that much to implement and maintain it since 1995.

Now that it is in place the CBC reports that it costs between $1.2 million and #$3.4 million per year to keep it running according to the RCMP.

Harper keeps asking if Canadians are willing to waste billions more on it - billions with a 'b.'

$1.2 billion would keep it going for another 1,000 or 300 years.

Whether one is for it or against it - Harper is massaging the truth with blasts of hot air.

Cracking the political line-up in B.C. is an impossible task, Slim2229.
If you are not a robot who swallows the party line and trails the party leader like a puppy,they make damn sure you don't get a shot at running.
No free thinkers need apply.
The party system was designed by politicians to benefit politicians.
It is all about "control" and "agenda".
A candidate who trys to run is beaten down by the two main party's...and money.
They have it and you don't.
Not much will change in B.C. or in Canada,until we somehow shake this "party' mentality and start supporting independants.
Problem is,the Liberals and the NDP here in B.C.hate independants.
They can't control their thinking or what they say to the masses.
They really hate that!
But,times are a'changing!
People are becoming more disillusioned with the party system than ever before.
They are more knowledgeable about polticians and poltics in general.
They are startin pay attention!
They are starting to see the flaws in not being able to control those they elect, and being ignored in support of the party line and leader.
What is taking place in B.C. poltics right now is a strong indicator that people have had enough!

Andy:
Good points, all of them.

A problem with this debate is that we really don't know the future cost. I agree with Prince George that we really shouldn't dwell on past cost (although it is hard not to). However, the future cost estimates are all over the map. According to the Globe and Mail, the $1.2 - $3.4 millions number PG is stating comes from an RCMP report where they say something like "I think we are so great at managing stuff that we should be able to get the cost down to less than $4M per year......by the way we estimate it will cost $66.4 Million in 2010-11".


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/gun-registrys-price-was-not-as-advertised/article1717453/


And these cost figures, is this the net loss of the enterprise (true cost less money coming in from gun owners) or is it the full cost of running the registry?

And the arguement I always hear in favour of the registry is that "in a domestice dispute we can check to see if there are any guns registerred at the address". Shouldn't they also be able to check to see if there is anyone with a license to possess a firearm at the house? Does the registry really provide extra, valuable information?

The $4 million cost statement is meaningless unless you have some kind of understanding of what is included in the cost and what is not included in the cost.

Any cost number coming out of the RCMP is highly suspect on this matter. An independant audit is required to calculate the actual cost of the program to Canadians. Until that happens all cost "estimates" are just that - estimates.

It hardly matters how much it costs in the end after all if the registry provides no safety benefits.

New Zealand got rid of their registry years ago and the sky hasn't fallen yet.

Have to agree with Andy! It's not only in B.C. - it affects every province and the feds!

They have found a voter interference proof system, at least a system that protects them from the voters' ire in-between elections.

Even if voted out it still works - because after a few years the voters forget their rage and vote the party back in again because the choice is usually just between the main two.

'Round and 'round she goes....