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Round-Abouts To Move to Possible Capital Plan

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Tuesday, October 05, 2010 03:58 AM

Image of what a roundabout at 5th and Cassiar might look like
Prince George, B.C. –  Don’t be surprised if there are two more round-abouts in Prince George’s future.
As Opinion250 reported  in August,  the plan to turn 2nd and 4th Avenues into 2 way streets would see the need for a couple of traffic circles to move traffic into two way mode.
 
The traffic report has been presented to City Council and it calls for one round-about at  3rd and Vancouver, the other at 5th and Cassiar.  Roundabouts can handle  about 28 thousand vehicles per day says Traffic Engineer Glen Stanker.  He says they slow  traffic and can cause  line ups during "rush hour"  but the  line ups are not as bad as they would be if there were  traffic lights or  4 way stops.
 
City Council has approved putting the traffic change in the discussions for the 2011 capital plan. The changes would cost about $1.6 million dollars.

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This should be interesting.
Council must have lost their heads.
Good grief! The average PG driver can't figure out the Cameron St. roundabout so they want to put in more?
And on a hill too...that ought to be interesting when icy..
On this plan you can see what my post elsewhere was about yesterday. Both roundabouts are priced as a single lane roundabout.

Coming from the west on 5th one now goes through the curve and onto 4th towards the east with two separate lanes. The roundabout will force traffic to permanently squeeze to one lane (this not some temporary construction constraint). Where did the traffic engineers get their training from? this has to be ludicrous.

The same happens driving west from 2nd avenue transitioning into 5th? Did anyone at Council ask about this?

The report states that at this point there is room for a two lane roundabout "for the future", but there is no mention of room at Vancouver street.

I just do not understand that this sort of thing can be acceptable to City staff.
Sorry, at this one it is from 3rd into 5th from the west. The one planned for Vancouver trasnitions 2 lanes of 2nd into 2 lanes on 3rd, via a proposed single lane roundabout.
Roundabouts if driven through properly can work really well. If anyone has done any driving on Vancouver Island they would know this. PG drivers unfortunately do not know the correct way of entering and exiting a roundabout. Signals are required ONLY WHEN EXITING. You do not put your signal on when you are entering the roundabout as there is only one way to go! Traffic will move through the roundabout much more efficiently, even in "rush hour", if people would remember that very simple driving rule. I have driven through the Cameron Street roundabout virtually every day since it opened and I would say there is only about 30% of the vehicles that go through that actually signal correctly. It is hard to move into the roundabout lane if you are not sure what the oncoming traffic is doing and unfortunately there are many times when traffic is slowed or stopped when it should not be. I put would put roundabout driving in the same catagory as merging - only a small percentage actually get it!
Many people simply won't use their signal lights ever, some may never discover where the controls are located on the steering column as long as they own their vehicles...I have even seen police cruisers changing lanes without signalling!

But that shouldn't prevent us from moving ahead and bringing in more roundabouts! They are great for the flow of traffic!

Just install surveillance cameras overlooking each roundabout and send the offenders a picture and a hefty ticket in the mail!

Roundabouts are in use successfully all over the world and one may expect that some ignorant Prince George drivers will educate themselves on how to use them - or park their cars!



I had a good laugh the other day at the Cameron Street Bridge roundabout...a pickup came off the bridge & drove right onto the bricks and right around to exit onto Nechako. Not once did he drive on the road. Don't know where he learned to drive.
I repeat, this is a one lane roundabout connecting 2 lane streets. Make them into two lane roundabouts and I am all for them. Of course, they would be the first two lane roundabouts in PG which could present a bit of a problem for a while.

But hey, everyone has to grow up at some point in their lives. First merge lanes .... then roundabouts. Eventually they might be able to diver in 5 lane roundabouts in Europe or South America with 7 six lane plus streets entering into them. :-)
The City of PG better put this video on its website, and play it on Shaw ch.10, so people can figure it all out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB9THUeh6tI&feature=related
Wow - interesting video - the multilane roundabout even scared me and I think I am a pretty good roundabout driver!! I've even ridden my bike through the Cameron St. roundabout despite the City making it as biker and pedestrian unfriendly as possible. When biking through I have found that just "being a car" and taking up your space in the lane - making sure you signal appropriately of course - is the best way to go rather than stopping traffic by walking through which is what I have come across a lot of.
Do you want scary? THESE are scary. They are the real thing. The rules? Simple, drive with due care and attention and make sure you get the left of way ... LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lay8aZlsbB0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BliGIPQ_KHc
And for the cyclists in the crowd ... LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZnRxi7cHk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGZZ4FG0oyo&NR=1

A bunch of young German tourists getting giddy trying to maneuver through the free-for-all at the Arc de Triumph rotary.

And here as some Germans standing on top of the Arc de Triumph commenting on cars in the rotary having the right of way ..... sure ... LOL .... if they gave that right of way, they would never make it into the circle, so you wait until the circle has come to a bit of a slowdown and you go ahead ...... and if there were police who would intervene there would be traffic tie-ups for miles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDpVHGaKFI&NR=1

When push comes to shove, the brave simply take the right of way in a rotary.
Of course, one really does not require a roundabout or traffic lights at all ..... some really just need to be willing to take higher risks than we are used to in our safe little town in the middle of nowhere :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F15nztfdsug&NR=1
Most drivers in PG cant even figure out the difference between merge and yield, and now they want to add more roundabouts...