Ben and Elaine. If you get a chance could you please run a story giving us a brief history of the first two borrowing bylaws for the RCMP building. Did these first two borrowing bylaws go through the alternate approval process?

Anyone remember the alternate approval and Terasin Gas???

The gigantic wheels of government turn so slowly and grind up a lot of taxpayers' dollars in the process.
metalman.

"Alternate approval". Is that a yes or a more definite yes?

They can stay where they R!! fix that building..

So I guess we go down to city hall to sign up against the RCMP building?

This alternate approval notice as per the BC Community Charter is a sham. It is a deliberate development deception and it is used too many times in municipalities and cities through out BC.

Who the hell would know or care when they see a seemingly insignificant article in their local newspaper entitled Alternate Approval process? Who would take notice?

It should not be titled as such a process. The notice should read something akin to,"
Attention: YOU may disapprove a $13.8 million dollar expenditure. Limited time offer..."

Reading the first post here Charles too probably missed the first two alternate approval notices. It's OK Charles. Most people were probably hoodwinked.

This story should be all over the press. The City of Prince George should have budgeted for this huge expenditure or they would not need to get out the magical alternate approval process out of their sleeve. Just blow for smoke and mirrors to get the funding.

RCMP, recently did the same to our city. All of a sudden out of the blue RCMP needed almost half a million $ for jail retro fits. Mayor and Council had no say. We had to pay. Their was no dispute process. Just orders from RCMP in OZZawa.

This is important especially now. Cities municipalities are in contract talks winding up in a month or so. Our mayors are told RCMP will change. The RCMP relationship will be a Partnership rather than a client based service. Mayors OK with the status-quo because they don't want to be accountable for our policing. Leave it to RCMP on the Hill if you don't like the pill.


The only way we will se real change in the RCMP is if a 3 or 5 year escape clause is included in the contract. This one clause is the clarion for change. Without it nothing will change. If RCMP and mayors are so sure they will get change then what is the harm in including this one single
clause. Why not have it?

Well said winston!
There is absolutley no reason NOT to have an escape clause in the new contract.
None.
At the same time,there is absolutely no logical reason to build this ridiculously expensive RCMP fortress, either.
Yes, they could make do with what they have,and yrs,they could also move some divisions into another building.
God knows there is enough empty office space around,even if it is not quite what the RCMP thinks they should have.
This one is going to eventually come back to bite hard.

Thank you Andyfreeze. Like the moniker. You know,

I bet if mayors that have good relationships with the RCMP Officer in Charge asked him off the record,"Should we ask for an escape clause?" The response may surprise people. RCMP want change in their organization too. They are under staffed under funded.

On the sly RCMP may wink and nod. They too know that without the escape clause there is no impetus for change...

posted 6 minutes ago. I think this article made someone pull UP his sleeve: To paste:

Prince George, B.C. - The alternative approval process is now open for the city of Prince George's final loan for the new RCMP building.

Mayor Dan Rogers says the process enables those who are against the city borrowing 13.8 million dollars to submit their opposition by December 16th.

Why can't we just build a new building that meets the needs of the RCMP, instead of trying win some kind of architectural award for it?

I'm sure there would be lots of money left over to go towards road rehab.

Another good point by Rounder!

To Andyfreeze;

Your comments interested me. I wanted to find out surfthing about you. You certainly know things... I think it is extremely interesting to see the google ranking you get. Just put in andyfreeze rcmp. You get first place out of thousands of hits. Are you maybe on a radar of some force? Did you know that you ranked so high?

Posted by: Andyfreeze on November 28 2009 10:46 AM
The key word here is "discussion".
They will "discuss" it but in the end,nothing will change.
It would appear the Federal and Provincial governments like things the way they are, mainly because they never have anything to say about it.
The RCMP are not going to give up and allow an outsider who has never been a cop, to get in without a fight.
Cops,even ex-cops,are sympathetic to cops.
William Elliott is an shining example of how little control a civilian has over thew RCMP.
He is a token to appease the masses, appointed by Harper and has served no purpose.
It is doubtful the RCMP pay any attention to him whatsoever.
Even the Federal government cannot control the RCMP and they know it.
They created the monster by not making them accountable to an outside review body many years ago.
They have allowed the RCMP to make all their own decisions and set up their own polices and structure.
They answer to no one.
Their track record in relation to complaints against them, is pretty much perfect.
And that is why the public has no faith in either the RCMP or the Complaints Commission itself.
The RCMP ALWAYS wins.
To assume they never make mistakes and screw it up is ridiculous.

OK sorry of course there is probably only one andyfreeze. So perhaps I am wrong about rankings. Its mine that has thousands because there are many winstons...