Was that you Eagleone?

Probably happened because of the new law forbidding jake brakes!

He coulda steered to the right and maybe woke up the dead.

What new law forbidding jake brakes?

Bet it was my nephew talking on the cell.

He had an 'N' right? All problems on the road are caused by young people.

Harbinger, you're freak'in hilarious, I'm still laughing.

Holy smoke, it's very lucky there wasn't a huge tragedy there today.

Good driving job...missed everyone!
Could have been much worse!

awesome driving job! and great news no one was hurt,thank god!

Kudos to the driver. Could have been much, much worse.

did the driver peeden his pants?

OMG... this driver drove over the meridian to avoid involving other vehicles or people?

And no one was injured? I say give him a medal. Job well done!

Sounds very lucky... I'm glad I wasn't the driver.

That is a long hill with those long trailers and no trailer brakes... with a stop light at the very bottom of both hills that's always a risky spot. An engine-brake wouldn't have done a thing. Good thing the roads were dry today... 60-tons would toss those other 4-wheelers around like toys. What it would do to a meridian is a good example. It could have been a catastrophe.

Will be interested to hear what caused the situation. One would think dynamiting the mechanical brakes could stop it... although it would be ugly (people following to close behind could just as easily be killed from the sudden stop, and maybe that's why he didn't do that?)... to make it as far as it did suggest maybe the air loss was more sudden and an ugly stop wasn't an option until after over the meridian? Definitely quick thinking with balls to take it over the meridian.

I'm surprised something like that hasn't happened before on that hill.

Or through the meridian, because not sure how a meridian fits under one of those trailers.

Know a couple Lomack and a couple Excel drivers. All of them very skilled and professional. This appears to be awesome driving with some luck thrown in. Well done!

Ok, To answer what people are thinking
Yes the people around him were lucky, And he obviously is a skilled driver, HOWEVER there are a couple of reasons why a truck would loose thier brakes...

-The brakes are out of adjustment meaning the driver failed to check thier brakes at the top of the hill like they are required to do BY LAW if there is a sign, if not it is still a very wise move to do. You will still have brakes if you make a light normal stop but going down a hill you use the brakes more, meaning they heat up more therefore expanding away from the brake shoes inside. This requires more travel from the pushrod, but it is only able to move so far. So even the mechanical brakes would fail to do anything as it requires the brakes to be in adjustment as well. This step is also part of a Pretrip inspection wich is required BY LAW any time you go to drive any commercial vehicle.

-there is an air leak If this happened it should have been dicovered during a proper pretrip when you do a leak test on the air system. If there was no leak then, While he was under the vehicle/looking in the engine area the driver should be looking to make sure that the lines are tied up and secure and not damaged. Also if the leak developed while driving the driver should notice thier air gauges dropping while they are not using any air or they are using more air than they should doing a certain task (ie: Braking while not letting up on the pedal, you should not lose any air, unless you let up on the pedal then your gauges should still not drop until you press on the pedal again.
HOWEVER the brakes should still work, as your brakes are applied with air, but your mechanical (parking) brakes are applied with spring pressure (roughly 2000 pounds) and are stopped from applying with air. SO as air pressure drops, your mechanical brakes will apply


So no matter how you look at it, it was a preventable accident. Yes it could have been worse, BUT it could have been way better as well
In my opinion, the driver should be held responsible and be charged as such.
And before anyone says I dont know what I am talking about, I actually drive a big rig...

Well, we have a judge jury and executioner all rolled into one.

well you know what sum42guy2k, you have not a clue! I drive a gravel truck in Calgary, and when it got a little cold a few weeks ago, I had a pod freeze open, and my air brakes dynamited!! Do you know what that means?? No, I didn't think you would. Sure hope you aren't behind the wheel of a BIG RIG any time soon, you MORON

The driver of the truck did an incredible maneuver! Very skilled driver, with a huge bit of luck on his/her side!!

taxinapothole---no pod would freeze open with proper maintenance. If it was as simple as you describe, Canadian trucks would be shut down most of the year.

I'd like to know why Opinion 250 allowed your comment ???

LOL!! no details of what caused it, and already sum42guy knows it was the drivers fault. I drive big rigs too, and know that it is the drivers responsibility to check all the brakes and air systems. But accidents DO happen sometimes. I'm not saying it was or wasn't the drivers fault in this case, but automatically he somehow knows it was the drivers fault. Good job by the driver to avoid any further incidents.

Pretty easy to sit on the sidelines and critique this guys driving and/or pre trip skills. Until we know exactly what happened then I refuse to speculate on the condition of the truck. This was a damn fine piece of driving in an emergency situation.

Absolutely impossible for the driver to check the adjustment on the chip trailer unless they can fit under a trailer 4-inches off the ground. Not many people I know can. They are self adjusting brakes through brake pressure that are checked on a regular maintenance schedule to ensure they are working properly... impossible for all of them to fail at once.

Could have been something as simple as an applicator line coming loose... the supply still keeps the pressure up so they don't dynamite, by when application is applied nothing happens... all you have is truck brakes... hard to realize this is happening until it happens and you apply the brakes... was it caught on something and then came loose? Was it the connection between the trailers that caught on something and came loose and the driver didn't notice until on a sufficient hill? Losing brakes on only the b-box could make things squirrel coming around that corner on Peden Hill.

I once had a cab leveling valve freeze from the temperature change and it bleeded all my air pressure down to like 70psi which was all the truck could maintain... enough not to dynamite, but not enough to give sufficient stopping power on a hill like that... when that happened to me it happened where it let almost all my air out in mere seconds... in the bush I've gotten out on two blown air bags and it didn't leak out anywhere near as fast as a frozen stuck cab leveling valve.

It could have just been that riding the brakes in heavy traffic down from the Blackwater... sudden stop at Parkridge Heights... ride them again down past Walmart to Domano lights sudden stop... everything is hot hot... and then riding them again down Peden Hill obeying the no engine brake rule the whole way, and suddenly too hot and brake fade takes more air pressure and 63-ton load... who knows... we won't really know until an investigation is done to find out for sure.

I've said before the light at Domano is a complete retard set up giving immediate priority to those turning from the highway onto Domano triggering a sudden stop for those coming down the hill (probably not at this time of day though), rather than going through a regular cycle that makes the turn lane wait 15 seconds or so... giving drivers down the hill a little extra time to anticipate a stop better. The guy that programs the lights here in town must live down Domano and not be programing for highway safety.

It could have been a number of things including a sudden unexpected early stop of a four wheeler in front of a truck already working hard to stop for the light at Vance Road. Anticipating an inability to stop in time the drive may have opted for a better option that went from bad to worse... I imagine going over a meridian would do wonders for the brake pods hanging underneath taking the full blow. Without even having brake pods the adjustment of them becomes irrelevant and would explain why they could even be dynamited.

Good reason why on that hill the 4-wheelers should stay to the left lane especially if they tend to make sudden unexpected stops.

Time Will Tell.

Often what happens in heavy traffic on Peden Hill is most vehicles do stay to the left lane... but that leaves a nice open spot in the right lane and a pile of cars suddenly switch lanes to save a few seconds when the light turns green again... this changes the stopping distance considerably... with 63-tons on a 12% grade... changing stopping distance after being cut in front of isn't as easy as it is in a car.

Maybe the driver wanted to give free chips to the diners at Boston Pizza

Truck 5599 is a lease op truck and not an Excel truck. It has the Excel stickers on it and colors, but it is independently owned and contracted by Excel. Any Excel truck with a number starting with 55 is a lease op owner operator truck and a company owned an maintenance truck. From the skid marks though on CKPG it looks like only the truck was skidding... very strange why the truck would skid and not the trailer unless it was something like an applicator line come loose, or brake pods completely gone.

opps... an not a company owned and operated truck it should have said above.

Driver deserves full credit to take his own truck over the meridian on instinct... its one thing to do it with a company truck, but quiet another when its your livelihood and mortgage.

Just another example of why ALL chip trucks should be replaced with rail. The mills don't move and have rail lines already in place. There is no reason to have these maximum size B-Train trucks pounding out our roads every day.

there better be a few tickets handed out here or im not gonna be impressed at all.so because its a semi truck hes allowed to disobey all the rules?

Ignorance is bliss eh?? what "all of the rules" did he disobey? Accidents happen and this guy did a great job of preventing injuries and further damage.

The driver deserves a lot of credit for avoiding any injury.

I am not a trucker so I find the debate over whether somone was at fault and casued this accident or whether it is just something that "happens" due to this or that.

I sure hope someone was at fault and screwed up which caused this near catastrophe. If chip truck breaks just fail from time to time and nothing can be done about it then they shouldn't be on the road. That last sentance was written sarcastically,... of course someone screwed up...hopefully we will eventually find out who and take measures to reduce the chances of it happening again.

This story reminds me of the famous Gimli glider. The pilot did an amazing job of landing a Boeing 767 on a drag strip without fuel but people seem to forget about the fact that he was the one who should have made sure the plane had enough fuel in the tanks before he took off.

An accident is a specific, unexpected, unusual and unintended external action which occurs in a particular time and place, with no apparent and deliberate cause but with marked effects.

In short, sh!t happens.

I wrote breaks....instead of brakes...dummy

Also, I shouldn't have made the comment about the Gimli glider. It makes it sound like I think the brake problem was the drivers fault. I know nothing about trucking. I think the fact that a chip truck went down peden hill without brakes means somebody screwed up but it could have been somone other than the driver or several other people. It could have been a result of Excel procedures, a problem at the sawmill loading facility, a design problem with the brakes, etc. who knows. Hopefully we will find out.

I think very few vehicle "accidents" are really accidents. They are unintentional but usually the result of human error.

...as I said...might have been caused by the new jake brake laws in PG. Eagleone hit it on the head. Long drawn out hill coming down to Canadian Tire and no use of the engine brake so the only brake system system available gets heated up. No time for the brakes to cool down by the time you start applying them on Peden Hill - throw in the unknown element that we are all speculating on and ....a recipe for disaster.

If the jake brakes were used on the way down the hill the machanical break system may not have overheated and this accident 'may' not have happened.

I don't drive for a living but I do have a Class 1 license - FYI.

Companies like Excel have stringent safety regulations so it will be interesting to see where the final blame is laid on this one.

Mentioning the "Gimli glider" there just happened to be an editorial cartoon in my local rag the following day. Apparently the incident happened during our conversion to metric and the fuel guys failed to put enough fuel in the tanks. Getting back to the cartoon in the paper it was two guys on thew wing of an airplane and one guy says to the other guy, "How many feet in a litre?" If God wanted us to have metric he would have given us ten apostles.

The metre (or meter), symbol m, is the base unit of length in the International System of Units (SI). Originally intended to be one ten-millionth of the distance from the Earth's equator to the North Pole (at sea level), its definition has been periodically refined to reflect growing knowledge of metrology. Since 1983, it is defined as the distance travelled by light in vacuum in 1⁄299,792,458 of a second.

The popular belief is that the original standard was the length of a man's foot. In rural regions and without calibrated rulers, many units of measurement were in fact based on the length of some part of body of the person measuring (or for example the area that could be ploughed in a day).

I suppose there is significant damage to the trailers due to the low clearance. Eagleone was right, you can't get under them to check pushrod travel. Very good driving though, after the fact. I'm amazed the whole rig didn't flip! No company wants to hear that one of THEIR trucks has had an accident, so I imagine there are going to be some repercussions from this from that end. I can't imagine what happened though unless the driver used 'company' brakes all the way down the hill and then only had tractor brakes left at the end. Guys used to laugh at me for doing 50 KpH down the last stretch of that hill but I'd seen too many strange things on the road at 2:00 am, that would need stopping for. Driving the speed limit down that last stretch, loaded, after braking down all the rest of that hill is asking for not being able to stop for any emergency that might be there. I'm surprised that it is even allowed for loaded trucks. For a loaded truck doing the speed limit there, a driver can't see far enough ahead to stop in that distance.

I can not believe this... This man deserves to have his license taken away... I reported him 2 months ago for going so fast around a sharp corner that his LOADED trailer wheels left the ground about 2 feet high. Sure he might of avoided a collision but only one he probably caused. With my family member killed in a head on in Mackenzie 1 month ago due to an erratic truck driver like this one, I tend to wounder why some of these people are allowed to continue to be professional drivers? I am a driver myself and have been for many years. People with no care for the lives of others make me sick. It is very fortunate no one got hurt

I can not believe this... This man deserves to have his license taken away... I reported him 2 months ago for going so fast around a sharp corner that his LOADED trailer wheels left the ground about 2 feet high. Sure he might of avoided a collision but only one he probably caused. With my family member killed in a head on in Mackenzie 1 month ago due to an erratic truck driver like this one, I tend to wounder why some of these people are allowed to continue to be professional drivers? I am a driver myself and have been for many years. People with no care for the lives of others make me sick. It is very fortunate no one got hurt

I've been driving chip and tanker trucks down this hill for years and know of no new jake brake laws. This hill is nothing for any truck in good working order and a good driver behind the wheel to descend without a problem. 3 single brake applications along with the engine brake takes you all the way down to this crash site in a state of complete control if you get green lights right from the top.

Renslip = Pilsner, have another beer!

Eagleone and Dragon;
Good info, thanks.

I've watched chip trucks blow through red lights both directions on that stretch. Profesional drivers my a$$. I get sick of the excuse that they need to giver to get paid. Using that logic, all pizza delivery drivers wouldn't need to obey traffic laws. The cops should set up at the superstore and watch the number of vehicles running red lights. One day a mini van full of kids is going to get pasted at these intersections by some highballing rig.

The new engine brake laws are municipal. Hwy 16 is not under Municipal jurisdiction. The city has posted signs at various locations around town (not highways)which say use of these brakes is prohibited with the possibility of a fine. The bylaw is in effect only where the signs are posted.

dow7500, ever driven one? Obviously not or you'd know your comment is garbage. Trucks are not blowing red lights for money. Perhaps you never noticed they are pretty big. Big = heavy. Heavy = harder to stop.

Something large doing the same speed as something small appears to be speeding when it's not.

DragonMaster,

Go to the City of PG site and search for Engine Brake. The first line item is the the link to the new bylaw. If you watch for it I think you will see a new sign as you head into town from Hwy 16. I may be wrong as the law is municipal. It is definitely in effect other areas of the city.

I have had the displeasure of meeting the lady (a bit of a stretch there) that is spearheading this campaign. She has a real chip on her shoulder against jake brakes and spends her day staring out her window taking down license plates.

Another note. These trailer ARE easily accessible for adjustment if you go in from behind each wheel set. Done it a thousand times and I'm not small. Automatic slack adjusters were famous for failing to adjust in the winter if the proper grease was not used. They would freeze up in the cold. They may have been improved since then.

Eagleone, "Will be interested to hear what caused the situation. One would think dynamiting the mechanical brakes could stop it... although it would be ugly (people following to close behind could just as easily be killed from the sudden stop, and maybe that's why he didn't do that?)" When have you seen a fully loaded truck of anykind stop so suddenly that it would cause a pileup? Especially when going down a hill. They do not stop on a dime.

AND "Could have been something as simple as an applicator line coming loose... the supply still keeps the pressure up so they don't dynamite, by when application is applied nothing happens... all you have is truck brakes... " Are you feakin' serious?
If the service line was off, the second you brake, you lose air pressure through the open service line and within VERY short time, everything SHOULD go into emergency. Try it sometime, if it doesn't work, you have faulty equipment. Do you actually drive truck?

Last line was a little harsh , sorry

Taxiinapothole,

"well you know what sum42guy2k, you have not a clue! I drive a gravel truck in Calgary, and when it got a little cold a few weeks ago, I had a pod freeze open, and my air brakes dynamited!! Do you know what that means?? No, I didn't think you would. Sure hope you aren't behind the wheel of a BIG RIG any time soon, you MORON"
please tell us how a brake pod (I always thought they were "pots", but whatever) "freezes open" I've heard of split diaphrams, broken fittings and airlines and valves freezing, but never a brake "pod" "frozen open".
I wouldn't go as far as sum42guy2k did with laying blame, but he has some good points

I'll bet on one thing though, the driver needs a new pair of underwear.

Dudeinpg, apparently you don't read good. I was talking about an applicator line, and not a service line. Both are connected to the trailer.

Service lines powers up the system and if its gone the system dynamites automatically as we all know.

Applicator line applies the brake control... if the brake is not pressed down then no air leaks... only when the brake is applied does it receive air. If it comes unconnected for what ever reason then air just bleeds out the broke applicator line and no pressure is applied to trailer brakes. There is an applicator connection between the truck and the front trailer, as well as a line between the front and the rear trailer... ditto for the service lines. The rear trailer has a shut off valve for when the trailers are separated.

How an applicator line could come undone on the hill is another matter. It would account for no brake pressure to the trailer brakes. And why if so the brakes weren't just manually dynamited by the operator once in trouble....

All a big if....

I think Kolberg's analogy is probably most likely.

"...as I said...might have been caused by the new jake brake laws in PG. Eagleone hit it on the head. Long drawn out hill coming down to Canadian Tire and no use of the engine brake so the only brake system system available gets heated up."

There is no "NEW" jake brake law.

If you live on a hill get used to Jakes or move. Pretty simple to me.

Eagleone,
Applicator... Service, same bloody thing and NO the service line DOES NOT "Power up the system". That would be the "SUPPLY" line and my argument still stands. Hit the brakes with the applicator (AKA Service) line off , the truck and
trailer(s) go into emergency when the air pressure is lost throught the open line. Therefore the brakes DO come on.
I can't brelieve your driving one of theses truck when you can't even get the airlines straight. Maybe you should go for a refresher course.
I also agree with Kolberg's post
And I think I do read good

And the LEAD TRAILER has the shut off valve not the rear trailer Good god man. What good would a shut off valve do on the rear trailer if it was separated from the system?

"Service (should read Supply) lines powers up the system and if its gone the system dynamites automatically as we all know."

Wrong again. The trailer dynamites, but the truck does not. (Tractor Protection Valve)

I'm not trying to predict what caused the brakes to fail. I'm just saying that you are putting out ALOT of misinformation.
I'm surprised there aren't more people killed by poorly trained truckers. Huge improvements need to be made in how class 1 licenses are handed out and company drivers should be made to work on the equipment as much as possible so they learn how these things work. One problem here is some drivers don't have any experience in wrenching or even greasing because the mechanics do it all. Theres no better way than that for a rookie to get to know HOW the equipment works.

I also know many truckers than are very professional and know trucks top to bottom. They take alot of pride in the condition of their trucks and of drive safe miles they've driven. Hats off to them!

typos.. I know many drivers THAT are very professional.... they take pride in the condition of their trucks and of THE safe miles....

I've been a truck mechanic in town for thirty years and I've never heard of a "pod". My guess would be too fast for road conditions, brakes got hot and faded, adjustment probably didn't help either. But what is a pod or a frozen pod?

dudeinpg... thank you so much, i havent been able to comment on this yet but was blown away from the ''so called truck drivers'' on here, seems to me that eagleone has been doing a lot of reading in hopes of one day being a truck driver but cant remember exactly what he reads! i have been a pro driver for 15 years and i take a great deal of pride in my driving as well as the condition my truck is in, i have hauled chips as well as most anything else you can think of, as for his brakes being out of adjustment a true pro driver would know that after his first brake application with the trailer, excel does all thier own maintenence on the trailers including brakes service, when i pulled their trailers i could always tell when they needed adjustment by my application pressure in a normal braking situation! any body saying this driver deserves praise for his excellent driving by not having any incident with another vehicle or person needs their head examined as this was 100% avoidable, it may have been over speed, it may have been a service line issue, what ever it may have been all boils down to human error, now lets all think about it and see if we can figure out what human made the error.....the driver! it is his job to ensure that his truck and trailers are in proper working order to do his job safely and it wasnt done! i have seen many accidents involving a break issue in a truck and every single time when the results are in it always is human error! like it was said earlier in this by dudeinpg i believe, peden hill is not a bad hill for a truck and super train in proper working order, i have come down it fully loaded more times than i can count getting green lights all the way until the last light at the bottom of the hill and stopped my truck with very little brake pressure.

dudeinpg... thank you so much, i havent been able to comment on this yet but was blown away from the ''so called truck drivers'' on here, seems to me that eagleone has been doing a lot of reading in hopes of one day being a truck driver but cant remember exactly what he reads! i have been a pro driver for 15 years and i take a great deal of pride in my driving as well as the condition my truck is in, i have hauled chips as well as most anything else you can think of, as for his brakes being out of adjustment a true pro driver would know that after his first brake application with the trailer, excel does all thier own maintenence on the trailers including brakes service, when i pulled their trailers i could always tell when they needed adjustment by my application pressure in a normal braking situation! any body saying this driver deserves praise for his excellent driving by not having any incident with another vehicle or person needs their head examined as this was 100% avoidable, it may have been over speed, it may have been a service line issue, what ever it may have been all boils down to human error, now lets all think about it and see if we can figure out what human made the error.....the driver! it is his job to ensure that his truck and trailers are in proper working order to do his job safely and it wasnt done! i have seen many accidents involving a break issue in a truck and every single time when the results are in it always is human error! like it was said earlier in this by dudeinpg i believe, peden hill is not a bad hill for a truck and super train in proper working order, i have come down it fully loaded more times than i can count getting green lights all the way until the last light at the bottom of the hill and stopped my truck with very little brake pressure.

I stand corrected... I got my terminology mixed up... I half knew it was wrong, but couldn't remember the word supply. My mistake... everything else stands though... one can run with a ruptured service line and only loose air when the brakes are applied and with air pressure continually building it may not have gotten down to the emergency where it dynamites on its own... I stand by my analysis of what happened though as the most likely cause... and yes this would highly indicate driver error. Service lines don't just rupture... they can come undone, but they don't rupture... and if one was undone it should have been realized right away and the unit should have been stopped prior to going down the hill.

A super long super b like that and he likely went of the trail at some point and got boxed in turning a sharp corner with little for turning radius, and the jack knife clipped a service connection between trailers... possibly at the Bon Voyage... that would explain why the trailer was released from the scene with no problems, but the truck of the lease operator was impounded. The inspectors wouldn't have released the trailer if it had no brakes. I'm sure it will be inspected further though.

You sure like to cut hairs though dudeinpg... aka the supply line breaks... kind of obvious I thought... but hey if we're being technical... the issue was the trailer brakes not working I was thinking we were talking about.... We all make grammer errors I'm sure. If one is so smart then why aren't you putting up a theory... its really not that hard, only so many things it could have been if one is an 'expert' as you suggest you are.

Trucker, I've driven longer than you and probably fixed more on the side of the road than you too... it happens when you low bed and haul gravel... no one around to fix things when they go wrong. No need for me to read more about it, just need to remember the simplest of terminologies is all.

dudeinpg... thank you so much, i havent been able to comment on this yet but was blown away from the ''so called truck drivers'' on here, seems to me that eagleone has been doing a lot of reading in hopes of one day being a truck driver but cant remember exactly what he reads! i have been a pro driver for 15 years and i take a great deal of pride in my driving as well as the condition my truck is in, i have hauled chips as well as most anything else you can think of, as for his brakes being out of adjustment a true pro driver would know that after his first brake application with the trailer, excel does all thier own maintenence on the trailers including brakes service, when i pulled their trailers i could always tell when they needed adjustment by my application pressure in a normal braking situation! any body saying this driver deserves praise for his excellent driving by not having any incident with another vehicle or person needs their head examined as this was 100% avoidable, it may have been over speed, it may have been a service line issue, what ever it may have been all boils down to human error, now lets all think about it and see if we can figure out what human made the error.....the driver! it is his job to ensure that his truck and trailers are in proper working order to do his job safely and it wasnt done! i have seen many accidents involving a break issue in a truck and every single time when the results are in it always is human error! like it was said earlier in this by dudeinpg i believe, peden hill is not a bad hill for a truck and super train in proper working order, i have come down it fully loaded more times than i can count getting green lights all the way until the last light at the bottom of the hill and stopped my truck with very little brake pressure.

eagleone im sure you have fixed on the side of the road more than me because like i said i take great pride in the way my truck is maintained and dont make stupid mistakes any more requiring me to do road side repairs, do a job right the first time (in the shop) and they are much less likely to break in the bush. and fyi i have spent a great deal of time in the bush be it low bedding gravel off hwy logs or what have you. any way my biggest issue with everything being said about what a great driver this person is, even if you are a good wheel man it does not make you a great driver, avoiding all the other vehicles in a situation you caused is pure luck, if he was a great driver like so many comments said this never would have happened, there are many different things all in combination that make a good driver like making sure your equipment is in safe working order to do the job at hand, no matter what way you look at it this driver is not very profesional in my opinion and far from ''a great driver''

eagleone im sure you have fixed on the side of the road more than me because like i said i take great pride in the way my truck is maintained and dont make stupid mistakes any more requiring me to do road side repairs, do a job right the first time (in the shop) and they are much less likely to break in the bush. and fyi i have spent a great deal of time in the bush be it low bedding gravel off hwy logs or what have you. any way my biggest issue with everything being said about what a great driver this person is, even if you are a good wheel man it does not make you a great driver, avoiding all the other vehicles in a situation you caused is pure luck, if he was a great driver like so many comments said this never would have happened, there are many different things all in combination that make a good driver like making sure your equipment is in safe working order to do the job at hand, no matter what way you look at it this driver is not very profesional in my opinion and far from ''a great driver''

eagleone im sure you have fixed on the side of the road more than me because like i said i take great pride in the way my truck is maintained and dont make stupid mistakes any more requiring me to do road side repairs, do a job right the first time (in the shop) and they are much less likely to break in the bush. and fyi i have spent a great deal of time in the bush be it low bedding gravel off hwy logs or what have you. any way my biggest issue with everything being said about what a great driver this person is, even if you are a good wheel man it does not make you a great driver, avoiding all the other vehicles in a situation you caused is pure luck, if he was a great driver like so many comments said this never would have happened, there are many different things all in combination that make a good driver like making sure your equipment is in safe working order to do the job at hand, no matter what way you look at it this driver is not very profesional in my opinion and far from ''a great driver''

C'mon you guys, take it back to Lad 1. Let's just wait until the accident is thoroughly investigated and then we will really know what happened. Please?

You bet... I never said the guy was a great drive... my intention was only to try and find out what went wrong with his equipment... so it never happens again... more awareness for everyone... not to get in a pissing match. Rather than contribute constructively dudeinpg and his friend trucker seem to think its about a pissing match.

I thought it was about sharing CORRECT information on a public forum Eagleone.... there are so many holes in you posts it's not funny.. kind of scary actually, way more wrong there than just terminology. And I don't call correcting complete garbage "splitting hairs"

" If one is so smart then why aren't you putting up a theory... its really not that hard, only so many things it could have been if one is an 'expert' as you suggest you are."

Trucks are big, heavy and dangerous, shouldn't anyone behind the wheel of a truck be an expert? Or at least know what the heck they're talking about?

No its about opinions dudinpg. Not about correct information, because we don't have the correct information. All we have to work off of is theory as to what happened at this point. I stand on my theory and you are unable to put forward one of your own... probably because you have no practical experience and thus no idea that many little things can lead to a complex problem... an expert at the book talk, but little in the way of real experience to actually know what one is talking about.

Who really cares if I said a shut of valve is on the B-Box rather than the A-box (which it obviously is)... completely irrelevant when one thinks about it, and matters little when a line is broken as the theory goes with the valve not shut off. Its the theory that matters and you've contributed nothing towards a plausible theory with your closed minded expertise diatribe against truckers.

I think I know who you are and realize its personal. That's ok if you want to try and belittle with your 'expertise', but in the end you have no theory because your lack of real experience doesn't allow you to scan the full gambit of possibility of what could go wrong on the road.

If not a rupture of the applicator line, then what dudeinpg... what is your expert opinion that is 'correct'? We would all like to know. How else could this have happened it you are such an 'expert'. If you can't answer that than all your technical knowledge from the book means nothing. I am right and you are wrong and you just can't admit it.

oh... service line... sorry about the slip... lol