So how will they pick their leader anyways... will it be someone with 1/6th the vote plus one... will they require a clear preferential ballot (50%+1) majority... or simply one more then the next place person.

Just curious, because that says a lot about a party and their genuine commitment to democracy.

What difference does it make? The ones running are no better than those on the other side. There'll be no change from any of them, no matter who ends up with the job.

"Just curious, because that says a lot about a party and their genuine commitment to democracy."

Yawn.

Ah socredible you have to have faith. Why not try it you might like it.
Cheers

I hate the N.D.P and anyone who supports them or Steve Harper. Liberal all the way.

NDP is definitely the way to go this time around.

Give them four years and they will bankrupt our province like they have done in the past and then our fair citizens might finally vote them out so harshly that the party would completely cease to exist and we will be rid of them once and for all.

Makes me sick they even still exist actually. People that belong to the B.C.G.E.U will vote for the N.D.P because it is in their best interest to do so. They are the ones making the most money here in Prince George besides the drug dealers. Go figure eh.

Retired:-"Ah socredible you have to have faith. Why not try it you might like it.
Cheers."
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I've lots of faith, retired, but not in the NDP. Or the Liberals. They're two sides of the same coin, and it keeps buying me less and less as time goes on.

chrislivingdowntown I expect to see you the debate to bring up all your issues with the NDP. See ya there.

Chrisliving?somewhere - Let's see some true facts and figures to back up your statements.

Seamutt and old hippy are N.D.P supporters and I think they need to see a shrink or go cry to their union bum buddies.

The facts remain that the N.D.P couldn't run Ontario and B.C why should we give them a second chance and over my dead body to run the country. I want to know why you think the N.D.P can run this better when in the past they couldn't and don't give me oh where's the facts. Everyone knows they were a failure here. So who are you to tell the public we are full of it.

I'm with you Chris.

Track record says that the NDP will give the money away to anyone that promises they won't make any return on the investment......and the Libs spend our money on infastructure and attracting new business.

Problem is the Libs seem to forget who they are working for sometimes.

I'd rather be a province with something to talk about than a province going broke giving everything away to anyone with a sob story to tell.

To all those that hate me the NDP had a surplus budget when they were replaced by a bunch of scoundrel that are raping us with their love of more taxes like the HST. They have destroyed every crown corporation within our province. It is very difficult to understand why the middle class and those that have to live downtown can support anything other then the NDP.

The NDP is not perfect but the liberals in our province and the conservative in Ottawa will not stop giving our hard earned money to the rich and they will not stop until we are a third world society. We live in one of the wealthiest countries in the world yet we have a dismal record when it comes to poverty. And one of the reasons is that we bicker among ourselves. We keep watching the union guys, government employees and the list goes on. When those who hate us should be talking to us to see how we got there but instead we are chastised.

Big business and the current government just love it as they don’t have to worry about an organize revolt that is taking place in Egypt this ver moment.

To their credit the NDP did not impose an "austerity" program when the Asian meltdown impacted our export markets. Had they done that, we would have suffered far more in the '90's than was otherwise the case. They also recognised the great truth of the old Social Credit dictum, "What BC makes, makes BC." They built no ferries in Germany, leaving our own shipyards to scrounge for other work.

We all know what their many failures were, we've been reminded of them enough times by the BC Liberals. Though the Liberals track record is, in my opinion, far worse.

The sad thing about the New Democrats is that they do not want to understand 'finance'. Any one of their potential leaders that shows the slightest indication he does, is marginalised. Like Corky Evans. A guy who would sweep the Province for them if they had brains enough to make him their leader ~ which they do not.

Instead they cling to the demonstrable fallacy that, "...the poor are poor because the rich are rich", a situation they say they care about, and propose to correct.

Only the "poor" aren't poor for that reason at all. Not in this country, nor any other country that has an actual capacity to 'Produce' more than it does to 'Consume'.

And making the "rich" a whole lot poorer will do little, if anything, towards making the "poor" even marginally better off, let alone any richer.

The sadder thing is that the BC Liberals don't understand 'finance' either. And so unconsciously go out of their way trying to prove the NDP is right.

Instead they cling to the demonstrable fallacy that, "...the poor are poor because the rich are rich", a situation they say they care about, and propose to correct.

I dont know if you will see my comment socredible but like you are telling us I dont understand finance. Then what is the magic bullet that make so many strugle by working for a minimum wage.

Just look at the MaDonald franchise. These pepople have made a fortune off the backs of our youth why could they not share some of the wealth with their employees.

Jim Pattison is another example of how corrupt our system is.Now explaine to me why the middle class is taxes to hell and the big corporations get tax breaks.
Cheers

Retired02:-"Then what is the magic bullet that make so many struggle by working for a minimum wage."
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The 'magic bullet' is to PROPERLY relate Consumer Incomes to Prices, Retired. In the economy as a whole. And keep them properly related.

The accounting that's used in every business is excellent at determining what price each individual business has to charge for its products to fully recover its costs, plus book a sufficient profit to make it worthwhile continuing in business.

But just because the accounting determines and expresses the "price value" of a product in money, DOESN'T mean that there actually IS any "money" equivalent to that price value in the hands of the public.

Increasingly,throughout the whole economy, as we continue to displace labour, and current labour incomes with capital intensive technology, there is not.

In our whole economy, there is a "gap" that develops between the total flow of business costs into prices, and the total flow of incomes that have to fully liquidate those costs through those prices, if all we've 'produced' is to be able to be 'consumed', and business is to be carried on.

Now the only sane reason for 'producing' anything is to enable it to be subsequently 'consumed'. We don't 'work' simply to have something to do ~ for most people not primarily anyways ~ we do so because our work is a means to a desired end. It has a role in actually 'producing' what we, or others, need or want to 'consume'; and it also is the means by which most of us still acquire the financial wherewithal, an Income, to do just that. To buy what we need and want.

But in our economy as a whole, as we continue to displace labour and laboured incomes with technology, overall Incomes are FALLING in ratio to the overall Costs of Production they have to liquidate through Prices. They become less and less able to do so, and this leads to a financial frenzy to try to equate the two. Currently, by some of the most perverse means imaginable.

Ultimately, all we do is run up increasing amounts of debt which we can never repay.

The trend towards more people working for minimum wage, or wages that are hopelessly inadequate to live on ~ so that others can eat that Big Mac, because it's still relatively "cheap", and doesn't cause them to blow THEIR whole income on food alone, is just ONE example of those perversions.

The solution is to recognize that with each and every advance in applied technology the REAL Costs of Production, taken collectively, are FALLING ~ but THAT does us precious little good if our INCOMES, again taken collectively, are FALLING FASTER. What we must do is to find a way to AUGMENT those Incomes. For everyone. And we can do that by applying the same kind of bookkeeping to our economy as a whole as is used right now in every individual business. When we do this, it will become readily apparent that as our overall ACTUAL capacity to PRODUCE increases faster than our FINANCIAL means to CONSUME does, we can, through the Bank of Canada, issue Consumer Credits "debt free", to each and every one of us to make up the difference. This can be done by "rebating" what we pay now in retail prices, to each of us, at the time of purchase, a percentage of that price equal to the same percentage overall national production exceeds overall national consumption by, in any same given fiscal period. Such a move would make it possible for those on minimum, or presently inadequate incomes, to get a lot more mileage out of those incomes ~ for they spend them to live, and the amount they have to spend to buy a given amount of goods and services has been greatly reduced by the 'rebate'.

Contrast that with the alternative. The minute you raise the minimum wage, there'll be an UPWARD trend in prices, and the poor buggers receiving those wages will be no better off than before.

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Retired:- "Just look at the MaDonald franchise. These people have made a fortune off the backs of our youth why could they not share some of the wealth with their employees."

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They're 'entry level' jobs, Retired. For kids who've never held a job before, a chance to break into the world of the working. McDonalds makes money because they're good at what they do ~ they put out a product that fills your guts at a cheap price, and that latter, rather than the 'quality' of their food is the attraction to a lot of people. I don't like their grub, myself, even if it is cheap compared to other restaurants.
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Retired:- "Jim Pattison is another example of how corrupt our system is.Now explain to me why the middle class is taxed to hell and the big corporations get tax breaks."

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It is virtually impossible to effectively tax a "corporation", Retired, because for any corporation to stay in business it has to recover all its 'costs', including the 'costs' of its taxation, from the general public that buys its products.

It may come as some surprise to you, as I'm sure it would to the NDP, but overall, the rate of business profit has been FALLING as a percentage of Sales for the last century. Machines do not buy the product of machines. Only humans can do that, if they still have an income. If they don't, then collectively they can't fully pay FOR what's been made with the incomes alone paid FROM what's been made. And if they can't do that, profit diminishes.

socredible, thanks for your great idea but remember Col Douglas and his social credit idea? Very few bought it.

Most of us are slaves to mediocrity so we choose what’s available to us. I’m not a socialist at heart I’ m a liberal (n0t provincial). But what other choice do I have but to support the NDP. WAC Bennet was my man but he became arrogant so he went the way of many politicians.

And its not so much as taking from the rich and giving to the poor its more about making government more efficient and getting rid of the waste that they create and the worst that has ever happened to us is the globalization that we have become involved with. We have given away the right to our own destiny.

My idea to revolutionize our economic strategy would be to do away with the stock market.
Cheers

You've promoted the good Major to a rank he never attained in his military career, Retired! Very few ever really understood what Douglas was getting at, but of those who did, none were ever able to refute his analysis of the economic problem. Though many tried, and nearly all who did detested his solution to it. It was an anathema to them that anyone, (except themselves, of course!), should ever get an income without working for it.

I agree with you about WAC Bennett. He was the right man, in the right place, at the right time. Ironically, with all the great things BC Social Credit was able to do in their first 20 years of office, it was 'inflation' that finally brought them down.

That was the very thing that the application of the original "Social Credit" ideas of Major Douglas could've easily controlled, had the BC Socreds still understood them. By then, most had forgotten all about them, and were too busy believing in their own infallibility, and hype of never ending 'growth'. Those original ideas are much more applicable now, since we've passed the 'pioneer' stage in BC's modern development that marked WAC Bennett's time in office.

I doubt whether abolishing the stock market would do much for us, but there's certainly a need to regulate those who are in a position to manipulate it for their own benefit a lot more closely.