Sour grapes from the paper I wouldn't even use to housetrain my dog.

cut a paste paper,the only paper i know that charges you to read on line, what gives?

Tough times ahead for the Citizen.

As far as charging to read on line. If you wish to read any paper's digital edition, that is, those editions that are an exact version of the printed paper, I know of none that have can be read for no cost if they are also sold on the newstands.

sounds like they made a smart move by appealing that means they make more money while they sort this out.

If they lose do they have to pay the revenues to the free press....yeah I doubt it.

What did the Citizen not like about how they awarded the contract? That should be made public as well. If it's just sour grapes then let the public see that.

If they are doing this just to make more money then that's pretty low. Every time there is this type of extra red tape it costs money. Money that should be used for running the city not creating more needless paperwork.

Maybe opinion 250 can get us that additional info. about the appeal. I for one would love to know why this is happening.....

I think this goes back to when the Citizen did not publish the second week notification of the Reverse onus petition for the Police Station. This required the City to re-do the whole process, and delayed the process for two weeks. In addition it gave those opposed to the Police station an additonal two weeks to get signatures.

They didnt get the signatures, and of course we will now get our lovely $40 Million police station, and we will also have to get rid of the one way streets so that the Police can get out of their new building and go West.

Dont kid yourself the changing from one way streets to two way, on 2nd and 4th is connected to the new Police Station, however the cost of changing and putting in the round-abouts will go on our road budget, rather than on the Police Station budget.

Smoke and Mirrors. Thats all we get.

Dropped the Citizen a couple of years ago due to there biased reporting on enviromental, climatic and political issues. The reporting is controlled by their corporate owners. I don't pay much attention to main stream media, use the internet instead.

OOPS they must of peed off Mister Rogers.

It will be just one more reason not to shop downtown. Who goes down there now anyways?

Roundabouts will eliminate some parking spots so if you do shop downtown you can always use one of those wonderful parkades we have.

I did have home delivery of the Citizen for 37 years but haven't had the Citizen paper for the last 6 months. Certainly no loss. It has gone down hill real fast in the last 5 years. Very little local news and most everything else is a repeat of google news on the internet. Thursday they deliver the paper for free so more people get the advertising supplements. The regular subscriber should get a break on the price and only pay for 5 days and not 6 as Thursday is a free paper day.

Gus you are wrong try the Province or Van. sun and its up to date news free and sold in stores not three days old

I have been told by people at the free press, that the same people own both papers. So why the rivalry? They're both crap. I do get delivery of the Citizen so I have get the crap hand. Just to prove how bad it is: their funny papers aren't funny any more.

supertech.... be careful of the stories you spread about the PG Free Press. We are in no way affiliated in any fashion with The Citizen or it's mother ship Glacier Media.

I`d like to know who these "people" are that told you this. I'm willing to bet they don't exist.

I'm a very proud employee of the Free Press and wouldn't be caught dead working for anything married to The Citizen.

Brownshoe.

Looks like you have never seen a FULL digital edition of a Newspaper.

Click on this link
http://www.vancouversun.com

You will get to the digital edition you are used to. The Citizen has a similar edition. It is NOT the edition which is identical to the printed edition. Many of the key stories may appear to be there. But a large part of the full newspaper is missing.

On that page, click the words "digital edition" in the top blue bar. Since I do get digital editions of newspapers, mine opens up in a reader. Yours may not. If not, download the reader.

The service costs are:
1 month = $9.99
3 months = $29.97
6 months = $59.95
12 months = $119.90

I have also cancelled my Citizen subscription after many years, just did not like the direction it was going under Nicholsons's leadership(?).

If you want a free and full digital paper, check out the New York Times. PC and mobile editions. The iPad version is a thing of beauty, although they may start charging for it at some point.

The Globe & Mail and The National Post both have free iPad apps. Not exactly the same as the print editions, but lots to read none the less.

what about Opinion250. free, up to date, and everybody reads it.
You want up to date information you go to 0-250.
Gus; How do you get time to read any other news, your always on 250, and it isn't your favorite ?

well Gus I do read the sun and i get the full story with out paying and its not 3 days old

O-250 does a good job of local and regional stories but I find the "Reported Elsewhere" does not provide enough coverage of the rest of the world.

I am surprised that no one compliments Elaine and Ben and Opinion250. The story about the Citizen will never be carried in any other media unless they do.
It is a known fact that the newspapers and radio stations in this town get most of their news from Opinion250, just watch and see. Ben and Elaine have it, and a day or two later the rest of them print the story.
CKPG now only has a few newscasts every day and just look and see where the Citizen gets their stories from
And Yes Trudy, you don’t have to pay for it.

Trudy .... I read fast ... :-)

I think this is a good site. Its niche is the local news, that is why it has "250" as part of its name. Ben and Elaine and others are not miracle workers. They cannot cover the whole world. Others do that.

I am not sure whether you have heard of something called the 9.0 earthquake off the north eastern coast of Japan. Or the situation in Lybia, or the Carnivals that have just concluded prior to Ash Wednesday in many cities around the world, or any of hundreds of stories around the world.

As I am writing this, I have NHK (Japan)TV running in one of my browser windows for a while to see what the latest is from much closer to the event. I like my news from as close to the source as possible. This site provides that for the Central Interior, primarily PG.

I also like information from more than one source.

First off.. why read the paper..can find up to the minutes news/sports etc online with far better coverage than the Citizen.

Second seems the Citizen expected to win the contract and I am hoping the reason for the change to the Free press is that it was cheaper and we need to save all the money we can so our council of clowns can waste it on more useless purchases.

The question of the day on my "homepage" is:
"When it comes to major breaking news or events, how do you get your info?
Thanks for being one of the first people to vote. Results will be available soon. Check for results"

So far the response is:
1. Traditional TV news - 17,617 votes (59%)
2. Online news sites - 9,083 votes (30%)
3. Social media - 1,243 votes (4%)
4. Newspapers - 1,189 votes (4%)
5. Through word-of-mouth - 847 votes (3%)

So, who gathers the news and how are those people paid? That is the key question.

Without people doing that work, we will have access to zilch. With inadequate pay to such people, the quality of the reporting will be typically low.

Advertisement has paid and continues to pay for providing us with the information. The adjustment that has to be made, over time, is how and whether advertisement will continue to pay for those services.

Some of us can remember when TV was free over the airwaves and advertisement paid for it all. Some may have some memories of the intitial resisistance to paying for cable TV, not to even talk about radio.

Now we have satellite radio for a fee. We have TV for a fee. You want CNN? Pay for a special bundle. Want Al Jazeera, NHK? Pay extra. Want HBO, pay extra. Want the Oprah Network. Pay extra.

Want the internet? Pay to get on. Want tpo download large movie files or livestream tv stations? Pay for the livestream TV stations (some are free) AND pay for the vast amount of data being downloaded.

The average middle income group of families of 3 and 4 is easily paying around $300 to $400/month for communications/ information/ entertainment services.