Plan, what plan? PG has one councillor that completed atleast grade 4. He managed to divide the total dollars spent repairing pot holes by the number of pot holes and come up with a cost per pot hole and this makes the news.
Until the people at city hall finally get it figured out that fixing streets and infastructure is more important than dumping money down the drain on performing arts centers, community energy systems, and winter games PG will be forever plagued with pot holes, weeds, dust, and general disrepair.
The bright side is PG could advertise as "World's pot hole capital", and offer to train other cites crews in pot hole repair. Lord knows PG has an endless supply.

Cars still have hubcaps????????

wonder if a calculator was used?

Maybe someone needs to write a letter to KFC to get them to come help us out in Canada:

http://www.kfc.com/about/newsroom/032509.asp

some areas are getting pretty nasty. I drive a one ton, and you really feel it. Can't imagine what it feels like driving a compact car.

Hers a thought; you know how some communities advertise their presence by erecting and promoting
"the worlds biggest......."
Like Houston, with their fly rod, and 100 mile, with their X country skis;
We could construct the
"worlds biggest pothole" the tourists would come from far and wide to have their pictures taken (by the unionized CPG photography department) we could line the sides of the hole with little Korean cars, truck tires, shocks, mufflers, I tell you, this idea has legs GO PG!
metalman.

You're absolutely right Resident. I think repaving the city hall parking lot should be the very last repair job on their list. It might serve to remind them that there are a lot of more important road repairs to be done before that little patch! Maybe we should as a group send letters to City Hall to that effect. Does anyone from city hall read what is posted here? If so, would they please have the gumption to respond?

I think a significant number of these bad potholes have returned in exactly the same location for years.
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that some of the potholes on lower Cowart Rd. have been cold patched 50 times over the past 10 years.
Maybe someone in the maintenance dept. should keep track and when the cold patching for a particular hole hits the magic number the city should cut out some pavement, repair the road base and repave.

Maybe the City should start to look at "concrete" roads with the price of oil now.

Briefly read some reports comparing asphalt to concrete roadways, concrete seems to be the way to go. Some roads in Edmonton are built with concrete.

http://www.cement.ca/images/content/methodology_pavement_designs%20_110118b.pdf

This shows the life-cycle costs comparing both types.

There are also "environmental" benefits to concrete as well.

-reduces CO2 emissions and energy consumption
-uses less renewable resources

HEY!!!WHEN DO THE GARGANTUAN POTHOLE TOURS START??? i``V GOT INLAWS VISITING FROM A RELATIVELY POTHOLE FREE CITY AND I REALLY WANNA SHOW THEM A GOOD TIME...

I noticed recently on my normal travels which roads will be the next Ospikas. SO we get Ospika done, there will simply be more. We are not playing a catch up game.

I am probably not exaggerating by saying that in all my almost 40 years in PG I have never seen what pretend to be paved roads to be as bad as Ospika.

I really do not think anyone at City Hall cares. They really do not.

There are lots of roads in the city that are in good repair. All we are asking is that all roads be maintained to that standard. If some have to be repaved every 10 years, so be it. If others have to have the cracks that develop filled with tar on a rotational basis, then do it.

There is a town in Germany that decided to see if they could save money by having longer repaving rotations. They found that the cheapest way to go was to build the roads to a high standard of quality and provide a preventative maintenance program so that they do not begin to deteriorate.

I do not know why that is so hard to comprehend.

PG= pavement gone.

Yah, everybody's got problems with potholes.
At least in England, they cut and paste, wish it was that way here.
If you don't follow too close, you can avoid most of them.
http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/archive/2011/02/24/Salisbury+Letters+%28salisbury_letters%29/8874038.Potholed_roads_making_motorbike_journey_unsafe/

"Some areas are getting pretty nasty. I drive a one ton, and you really feel it. Can't imagine what it feels like driving a compact car"

I agree that the roads are horrific, but for what it's worth, I actually find that driving around in something like a 1 ton is terrible to begin with. The suspensions on trucks like that simply aren't made with "normal" driving in mind. Get a full load on them and they ride much better. Empty they may as well have no suspension they ride so hard. I'd much rather be in a car or light truck.

Well as far as Im concerned they will spend big bucks on making 4th and 2nd two way streets, and put in some round-abouts. This will cost us a few million that could have been spent on road repair.

Why would they do this???? Because there is no way that the Police can go West effectively from the new Station as long as 4th and 2nd are one way streets. The City will never admit that this is the reason for changing the traffic pattern, however why else would they change it?? Who was complaining??

They dont want to admit it because the cost could then be attached to the cost of the Police Stations $40 Million price tag. Heaven forbid that, that should happen.

The Citys is very good at moving money around and manipulating projects to conceal their real cost.

Another case in point is the upgrade to River Road. The cost to the City was approx $3 Million dollars, plus $3 Million from the Feds. This upgrade was not needed. We now have a raised road, paved off roads, street lights, etc; etc;. Problem is a lot of industry have moved out of this area, and more plan to leave., So why the huge upgrade, when we could have used the money in other areas of the City???

Answer. Because they got $3 Million in Federal money for the upgrade under the BC Ports upgrade program, and they had to match it with $3 Million. The question of **need** never came into the equation.

I had a little problem with the city a few years ago and they refused to help me. I wrote a personal letter (snail mail) to every Councillor and the Mayor. I had a person out to see me in 2 days and we rectified the problem.
I'm thinking that we should all do this regarding things we don't agree with, such as arts centre, winter games, poor roads, footbridge to nowhere, etc. If the mailboes at city hall were stuffed with real letters, they couldn't ignore them. Anyone with me on the paving of City Hall parking lot??

I travel the roads in pg all the time...I obviously have a different take....use your common sense, your steering wheel and and slow down a bit. Don`t tail gate the car in front of you and you can always see what is coming.
P.S. The sections in question on Ospika that weren`t re-done last year are being redone this year.
Relax everyone, and oh, have a good day:)

You know you've dealt with potholes for far too long when your 7 yr. old compares something to being like a pothole instead of just a normal hole in the ground. :)

it is rather obvious the city is not aware of the linked lakes of Austin road.

Right by Save-on going up the hill is one at least 15 cm deep with sharp edges.
Jsut past the fire hall is on half ther lane wide and cars have to skirt into the other lane.

Then there is the mess of an intersection from Austin East onto the highway.

They patch these section a few times a year and they still break apart in the same places.

1. Ban loaded heavy trucks from Austin road

2. Just pave austin properly. The patches are such that they are almost one continuous pavement anyway.

I look at it this way Runner46. At the rate we are going, we are going backwards. More and more roads are starting to show unacceptable wear and tear. The only way we are going to get caught up is to take it over a couple or 3 years, do intensive repair, make sure that the quality is there so this won't happen again, and then go into a more normal annual cycle of PREVENTATIVE REPAIR as well as REPAVING.

Either way, the money will have to be spent on this. One way, we get it over with and done. The other we will put uop with this BS for the next 10+ years.

In case nobody has noticed. Ospika, Tabor and Foothills at the least, ALL had cold joint problems with laying ribbons of asphalt side by side. Those jobs should never have been accepted. We are paying for it through aggravation, car repairs, and expensive after-the-fact repairs by the City.

Take a drive along 5th and 15th to the west of the bypass and you will not see that kind of failure. Take a drive down 15th, to the east of the bypass and you won't see it either. Take a drive on Domano and that is not the type of failuree there either.

The most common other failures are at cracks perpendicular to the road, such as at the intersection of Ospika going north just before you cross 5th. and then potholes at intersections in general due to the way pavement is laid at intersections, start and stop action of wheels, more "sanding" possibly with some de-icing added, and, of course, those potholes that magically like to hug the sewer covers in the middle of the streets.

BTW, I thought that the decision was made a few years ago to up the rate of repairs and to pay for repairs as they happen rather than putting it on our credit cards.

I am not seeing any results.

Gus,
Your knowledge and research on this subject is way beyond my rose coloured glasses. To me it reads like a plank in a platform!

Some pictures of Ospika, as well as one of Tabor which has the same failure happening.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2lsemio.jpg ospika - asphalt laid in 3 strips with 2 cold joints

http://i52.tinypic.com/negugp.jpg ospika centre of road (see link below which shows the same kind of failure – very little wheel traffic, clear cold joint failure

http://i53.tinypic.com/acx07k.jpg opsika failure at expansion joints – poor asphalt mix and poor or no remedial work to seal joints

http://i55.tinypic.com/rarzmo.jpg ospika patch

http://i52.tinypic.com/24fih6w.jpg tabor - same problems as Ospika going back to a poor quality paving job.

And an article about longitudinal joint failures.

http://training.ce.washington.edu/WSDOT/Modules/07_construction/longitudinal_joints.htm

A plank in a platform???? ...

GOD, that sure is a put down. I wish planks in platforms were based on 10% of the level of understanding.

In my hummble opinion the City's roads department needs to learn how to assess paving jobs and how to remove snow more quickly.

I think we could save a sifnificant amount of taxpayeer money if the City would invest in some education.

that stretch of road reminds me of an old Bosnian Back road ..... I wonder if the city crews will actually do it right and get the moisture out of the ashfault before they lay it down ...otherwise expect more the same as soon as it freezes again