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First Avenue Businesses Suffer Without Bridge

By 250 News

Tuesday, April 18, 2006 04:00 AM



Where are the customers? That's the question being asked by Trent Kiem, of Rogers Custom Meats as he stands on First Avenue 

Businesses along 1st Ave say the closure of the Cameron Street Bridge has resulted in   business losses of  between 10 and 50%.

The City has  the building of a new bridge as part of its 2008 Capital budget, but many of the First Avenue businesses say they can't survive that kind of wait.

"We went from it being an election priority to being started aound the time of the next election" says Trent Keim, who along with his wife Lori, operates Rogers Custom Meats on First Avenue.  Lori has been writing letters to City hall for three months.

They are not alone when it comes to  seeing a drop in business. 

Down the street at Mr. Quick Lube, General Manager Paul Kinder says,”We are now a street not a highway. 1st Ave used to be the by pass, that’s why we wanted our business along it. Now that the Cameron St. Bridge has been closed, business sucks”. 

Kinder  says  the numbers are down significantly  "This past winter is the worst year we have had in the past five years and we came through some tough times back then. Now when people pull into our business they say I’m sorry I haven’t been here for awhile, I just don’t go this way anymore." 

That comment is shared by LEJ International Trucks owner L. Josephson, "Our retail market is down about 10% and that is happening in a hot truck market. We should be up not down. It’s almost like the city is trying to force us out of here “.  

Starting a new bridge in 2008 isn't acceptable to Josephson "That’s ridiculous, our location sucks right now. We built a bridge across the Willow River in a couple of weeks and we can’t do that on the Cameron St.?  We built our business around that bridge and the truck traffic that it brings to this street. "

City Engineer Frank Blues says building a bridge like the emergency crossing for the Willow river is not a viable financial option  "There would be costs involved to  remove the existing bridge,  install a temporary bridge, then remove that temporary bridge to make way for a new crossing".  He also says a temporary bridge would do little to  handle heavy truck traffic as any new temporary  crossing would have reduced head room that couldn't handle big trucks.

At the Cat Rental store it was more of the same, Jean Charbonneau, says "We look out at the street every single day. There is less than half the traffic that there used to be on 1st Ave and you can see what effect that had on us, at least a 10% drop in retail sales."   Assistant Manager Derrick Knudsen says what is making it worse for the business along 1st Ave is that they have to travel, in some cases, twice as far as they formerly did to get anywhere. In the case of The Cat Rental Store he says "It has resulted in us taking twice as long to deliver goods to the mills and refinery and that costs twice as much. If they're planning the bridge for a start in 2008, there won’t be any of us left “ 

Bill Warner, who has operated various businesses along 1st since the early seventies says the family will sit down this summer and decide if they should continue. Warner is frustrated with the lack of action “The Mayor and Council should be impeached for what they have done to this side of the city . Surely they're not going to tell us that they didn’t see this coming for years and just slid it under the table? "  Warner adds " We used to count on getting a lot of our business from Mackenzie and places to the north, it formed a big part of our business, on the other side of the city they get their clients from the west like Vanderhoof. Now, unless they make a special effort to get to us, they simply don’t come."

 





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I think that the discussions on this site demonstrated that the city could have spent less than $800,000 to make the bridge safe and usable for now! I live on the Hart and did not vote for Kinsley. My opinion is that the city administration with this mayor at the helm has somehow lost its way and seems to be out of touch with what is normally called "common sense."

There is a propensity to jump at mega projects and ignore the bread and butter issues like proper infrastructure.

Millions are borrowed without hesitation for glamorous issues but a measly 800 grand for a vital bridge repair can not be justified?

In my opinion First Avenue merchants ought to get together and work as a group to force Kinsley and Paul to have the bridge REPAIRED immediately, if not sooner!
So you didn't vote for Kinsley? Did you vote at all? Did you vote for Dan Rogers? Because a Dan Rogers vote was for not ever replacing the Cameron Street bridge!
So why would anyone be slamming the only candidate that said he would find a way to get the bridge replaced? Some people just have to hate someone I guess.
What a crock! If you have a business and you are good at what you do the customers will still patronize you. If you are not then the bridge would only bring the unsuspecting your way. So if you rely on the unsuspecting then yes you may be loosing business but then you deserve it....
Unless you are a very specialized business people will go to the easiest and quickest merchant he can get to. Traffic is a very important thing to most of these businesses because there is so much competition. If you are going by a place every day you will likely stop. If you have to make a special trip, you will obviously not go there as often. Why do you think the businesses downtown are suffering? They have no traffic, for a different reason, but still it is no traffic. I sympathize with the merchants on first avenue. I used to go down first avenue at least twice a day and now since the bridge closed I turn onto Victoria street and go up second ave. to fifth avenue.
The issue here is not a new bridge. Business on first avenue and other Citizens of this City need to come to terms with reality. The Old Cameron St. Bridge is not **Dead** It can be repaired for a measly $724,000.00, according to Frank Blue the so-called Transportation Manager at the City. If this is the case, then this is what should be done, and it should be done right away.

If Business and Taxpayers continually debate where a New Bridge should be Built or whether is should be a steel supersructure on the existing struts, they are not focusing on the real issue. Again ***The existing bridge can be repaired for $724,000.00 which includes resurfacing*** The one way bridge served us well for the past 15 years and can surely be used for another 10.

It time for some of you people to wake up and smell the roses. Your being bamboozled by City Hall.
As I have said before, I am with Palopu on this. The action is very clear to any reasonable person. I also agree with Diplomat that the mayor and perhaps a few others are after all these mega projects which may end up in the wrong place in less than a decade.

I am also with Gofaster. Anyone along a street such as First who operates a storefront and is dependant on passerby traffic rather than destination traffic really needs to take a second look at their business plan. First Avenue is anything but a shopping street. Meat markets should not even be allowed there as far as I am concerned.

The question, of course, is "where has the business gone to?" Is LEJ's business going elsewhere? Or has there been a peak in the trucking business which is now levelling off again? How are other trucking businesses in town doing?

Let's be a bit more thorough with out studies of such matters before we attribute it all to the bridge.
>So you didn't vote for Kinsley? Did you vote at all? Did you vote for Dan Rogers? Because a Dan Rogers vote was for not ever replacing the Cameron Street bridge!<

Yes, I voted. I also visited Dan Rogers at his temporary election headquarters and discussed with him several issues, including the bridge. It is untrue that Dan "never wanted to replace the bridge" because he promised to do all the studies required to evaluate the situation and then make a final decision.

That is what has been happening with Kinsley: Endless studies and delays until the next civic election (according to the story above) before construction would even begin.

Pal has the right opinion, in my opinion: that the bridge ought to have been fixed right away for the reasonable sum of $724,000. The merchants on First Avenue are one issue, the other is the heavy and dangerous logging truck traffic that has been forced by the bridge closure to detour and use other streets in a residential area.
I said my piece in my last comment, but I wonder why people make comments like "a meat market should not be there in the first place". Where should they be? What should we have there? Maybe a massage parlour? Or maybe we could have another crack house or two. Some people have no common sense at all. Owl must be the mayor. The only thing he is thinking about is a "legacy" for people to remember him if a new bridge is built. The existing one should be fixed and opened immediately. We do not need a new one. In another ten years one or both of the pulp mills will be gone and the only thing crossing that bridge will be cars.
duffer - If you read my comments on here you should realize that I called for fixing the bridge from the first time I heard that it could be fixed for about 3/4 million. That was back in November.

The meat market is not a slaughter house, nor a warehouse. It is a retail store selling food.

We have a fish store of sorts at Nicholson, another meat market in the Parkhill centre (which also was not supposed to have retail in it) a few dellis, including foothills, massey and third, a bakery on George and Brunswick .... we have no real greengrocer, no cheese store, etc.

What do these types of retail outlets add up to? Public markets such as the one in New Westminster, Lonsdale, New Westminster highway in Richmond, Granville Market, etc.

I think it would be nice to have a year round public market to house such businesses in a central accessible area. It would be beneficial to the businesses and to the shoppers in PG.

The fact that the meat market is having a problem supposedly as a result of less traffic passing by shows that it is dependant on "opportunity" shoppers rather than destination shoppers.

Stores dependant on opportunity shoppers are much more viable if they locate themselves adjacent to other shops providing similar goods. That is why you will find most jewelers in the Pine Centre, most shoe stores in the Pine Centre and most clothing stores in the Pine Centre.
>So why would anyone be slamming the only candidate that said he would find a way to get the bridge replaced? Some people just have to hate someone I guess.<

So, questioning His Worship's performance is "slamming" and an expression of "hate"?

I don't think so. We are living in a democracy and have the right of expressing our opinions, remember?