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Council Puts Out Welcome Mat for RVers

By 250 News

Monday, May 08, 2006 09:35 PM

        

(RV’s parked  at the Westgate shopping complex  Opinion250 file photo)

In a move that may be seen as reminiscent of the Hockey Enforcers change of heart, Prince George City Council has voted to rescind an earlier motion.  At issue was the motion which called upon Administration to develop a bylaw which would allow enforcement of zoning bylaws by ticketing  retail operators  and property owners, if  RV’s were parking overnight in their lots.

That motion was unanimously rescinded.

Mayor Kinsley brought forth a new motion,  calling on Administration to examine all  options including the possibility of setting a 12 hour time limit for RV parking.

Councillor Don Bassermann asked that Administration look at more options that offer more flexibility.  The Mayor says he chose the 12 hour period "based on several hundred e-mails that ranged from  0-24 so  I went somewhere in the middle."

Bassermann asked for a motion that wouldn’t  put any fixed time limit, so Administration would have more options.

Mayor Colin Kinsley says the whole thing started because the City wanted  people to pay attention to the zoning bylaw.  "Zoning is there for a reason to protect, to plan and develop"  said the Mayor  "You don’t want to have a 300 thousand dollar home and have an abatoir built next door."

Councilor  Don Zurowski says the wrong decision wasn’t made two weeks ago, it was made last year when Council didn’t  deal with it in more depth at that time.  "We have heard from retailers, we have heard from RVer’s and we appreciate the input" says Zurowski.

Councilor Brian Skakun says there are all sorts of sites, including City property, where people park overnight so "We could be ticketing ourselves"  He asked that if Council is going to look at this issue, that it be dealt with in the fall, when all stakeholders can come together.

Councillor Glenn Scott says he got more than 160 e-mails from all over north America, "If we can’t enforce the bylaw, then lets get rid of it."

It isn’t that simple, says the Mayor, who notes this is about  zoning, and you just can’t get rid of a zoning bylaw.

Councillor Basserman put  forth  a motion:

"The issue be referred back to Administration for further options dealing with the RV parking issue."  Simple, but says it allows  Administration to  "consider  time frames for lay over,  text changes in the existing bylaws,  would allow all stake holders  to have input and would allow (in a timely manner) for RVers to communicate earlier rather than later that this community is  reviewing the  matter."

Administration would be expected to bring back some options for Council’s consideration.

The Mayor says  "It takes a pretty tall person to admit they made a mistake and fix it, whether it be called flip flop or not, but better to do the right thing than be like some senior governments and rather than admit they are wrong and carry on with a bad law."  All voted in favour of the motion except for Councilor Brian Skakun. 


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PG has once again fixed up a mistake. Twice in one year. I like Don Zuroski's spin on it. "The mistake wasn't made a few weeks ago, but last year." So I guess that justifies the flip flop. In the mean time, y'all come now in your RVs and by all means bring greenbacks. What the hell did the lady from tourism PG know anyway? Gotta love it. Better than a soap or reality show on the tube.
The zoning bylaw does not define "parking". The bylaw considers "travel trailer parks" to "accommodate" travel trailers, motor homes, tent trailers, tents or similar temporary structures. It does not mention the word parking anywhere in the definition.

The section in the bylaw which deals with parking has no limit on the time vehicles are allowed to park. It is silent on the matter of time.

As I have said several times before, there is absolutely nothing within the bylaw which prevents vehicles from parking overnight on a parking lot, nor is there anything in the zoning bylaw which differentiates among categories of vehicles.

If the city were to issue a ticket based on the zoning bylaw as represented on the City web site, the City is virtually guaranteed to lose a court challenge.
Other than that, it sounds to me that Council is continuing to waffle. Give up, let things continue the way they were before the City caused the signs to be posted ... Councillor Skakun has it right once again in voting against the motion. All it did was confuse the issue even further. It did not send a clear signal at all. These motor homes are not slaughter houses.

Some reading this may be familiar with buses which have sleeper berths in them. What if one of those passed through the city at one a.m. and pulled over on a parking lot?
http://www.tellmewhereonearth.com/Web%20Pages/Latest%20Travels/Latest%20Travels%20Photos/Mercedes_sleeper_bus2.jpg.JPG
http://www.greatestcities.com/9229pic/288/CP22288.jpg/sleeping_berth.JPG
I think they should fine the heck out of everyone maybe that way residents of PG will not get a tax hike.
Wishy Washy as normal....Me thinks we need a council with some sticktuitiveness
By changing the bylaw so RVer's can camp for 12 hours or more sounds like a wonderful way to avoid having to enforce the bylaws. I guess they couldn't find someone to work the night shift.
But they do not have to change the bylaws. RVers are not CAMPED, they are PARKED in a PARKING lot.

Neither camping nor parking are defined in the Zoning bylaw. There are way too many people reading stuff into the bylaw which is not written in the bylaw. Actually, come to think of it, there are way too many people who have never even read the zoning bylaws.
Couldn't agree with you more, owl!

There is a huge difference between camping and parking and I was just going to opine on that when I read your post.

These self-contained rigs don't do any camping, i.e. they don't build a campfire and roast marshmallows or sit around yelling, drinking beer and playing the boombox full tilt half the night.

They quietly pull in, park, draw the drapes when it gets dark and retire for the night.

In the morning, before the first mall customers arrive they simply leave and hit the road.

It is NOT camping, it is just a prolongued rest stop.

If the RV Campground owners were on the ball they would leave brochures and coupons on the windshields, promoting their business and inviting them to come on in if they should ever have the need for hook-up or other RV Campground services.

The city should stay out of the whole controversy and let the travellers decide where they want to park after a long day of driving on our often narrow dangerous and antiquated so-called highways.




>Councilor Brian Skakun says there are all sorts of sites, including City property, where people park overnight so "We could be ticketing ourselves" He asked that if Council is going to look at this issue, that it be dealt with in the fall, when all stakeholders can come together.<

What is needed is a very generous time limit that will make the bylaw practically toothless when it comes to overnight parking of the type being at issue.

Now, let's get to work repaving some of our main streets like Victoria Street, the Gateway and First Avenue and a few others.

I feel ashamed as a citizen of this city that visitors see such deplorable third world conditions and I am tired of being forced to negotiate such minefields of cracks, patches and potholes!

Float a loan for the funds required and raise my taxes by a couple of hundred bucks annually.

Forget about borrowing money for a 10 million dollar outdoor oval skating facility.

It is an extravagant superfluous luxury, a white elephant if I ever saw one.