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Ice Oval Nitty Gritty: One Man's Opinion

By Ben Meisner

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:02 AM

 
The move to have an outdoor ice oval in the city continues to grace the web page of "Traininpg"

This comes after Prince George City Council referred a request from the Ice Oval supporters for the gravel from a proposed site.  The gravel is worth about $90,000 dollars.

The Web site continues to suggest that the “proposed facility” would begin construction in 2006. The facility would cost about $10 million to build. There is no provision in the City's budget for such expenditure.

The advertisement invites people to train in Prince George:

"PG. Speed Skating Facilities
Outdoor Ice Oval

For generations, Canadians have taken advantage of our long winter months by participating in great outdoor pursuits such as skiing, snow-shoeing, and skating. While many of us spend hours flying around local ponds and rinks, there are a growing number taking this favored activity well beyond recreation, and pursuing the great sports of long and short track speed skating.


A sport that is fast gaining popularity in a city of sporting enthusiasts is also a sport that will prompt initiatives and creativity in new sporting facilities. The present out door oval is one that serves this city well, and has been host to numerous regional and provincial events in the past. However this City and its speed-skating community has its sights set much higher and so the demand for a new facility has never been greater.


Planned for construction in 2006, Prince George is developing plans to replace its existing 400 metre natural ice outdoor speed skating oval, with a permanent outdoor oval with artificial ice. The proposed oval will be 400 m of smooth concrete, used for speed skating in the winter, and in-line skating during the summer months. Refrigeration plant and piping will allow for a skating season from October to March, and solidify Prince George's already great reputation for creating some of Canada's finest, and fastest ice.


Alongside this outdoor rink in a pristine setting will be a 4000 sq ft building, comprised of 2 stories and providing space for equipment storage, team meeting rooms, washrooms, concession and viewing area. The building will also contain speed skating specific training equipment, such as stationary bikes, mirrors, slidingboards, and tension cables.
The proposed facility will bring Prince George to the forefront for speed skating training, providing first-class facilities in a beautiful environment with the support of 80'000 people behind it."

$90,000 dollars worth of gravel is still $90,000 dollars whether it comes to the ice oval committee by way of cash or through the City having to buy back the gravel from the Ice oval group.

More over however is the question, is the city prepared to spend another $10 to 12 million dollars on yet another recreation facility that will, contrary to what you might have been told, cost the city taxpayers money to operate every year?  

Not one facility that exists in Canada does so without huge taxpayer support.

Even Richmond, which is building an ice oval for the Olympics, will have it removed and replaced with a regular ice surface after the games.

But has anyone from City Council raised the issue that maybe we are telling people just a tad ahead of time ,that a proposed facility is underway? Ft. St. John recently apoproved a $30 million dollar indoor ice oval facility.  Has anyone at City Council raised the issue of just how much other facilities are costing the taxpayers in other centers? Or do we simply dip into our borrowing power to finance a project that will receive limited support from the public?  

 
In the end it will require a money by law.  It will be more difficult for the taxpayers to have their say as they did in the Terasen gas deal, as the government has increased the percentage of the people of the community who must sign a petition against the deal in order to have the by law scrapped.

I’m Meisner and that is one man’s opinion. 


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"...with the support of 80'000 people behind it."

Make that 79'999 (sic) as I (for one) am dead set against it and would pity every tax dollar going to this hare brained scheme if the money could have gone towards repairing worn-out streets and roads throughout the entire city area, for instance.

We need this thing about as much as a dome built over the downtown to keep the snow out!

Who is attempting to push this "project" down our throats, anyways?






So I guess the term "dirt cheap" should be stricken from our lexicon, eh? G.S.T. on that dirt? Jest wunderin'.
I can think of better places to put my tax dollar.
What ever happened to "If you cant pay for it you can't afford it"????
Maybe why so many people are in so much trouble finacially
I am sure there are a couple of coucillors more than willing to push this forward.(Well one for sure)
I think people should have it in their heads by now that the OLYMPIC people are not interested in Prince George.
With the government pushing Vancouver and area, as they are, we haven't a hope.
This looks like more PG Hype. If construction is planned for 2006 then they better get at it.

To suggest that 80,000 people support this project is nothing more than pure unadulatered B.S. They would be very lucky to find 5000 people who support it.

The present outdoor facility is hardly used at all, all winter. Some days you might get 40 people at one time if your lucky.

This could be the issue that brings Kinsley and his co-horts to account.

Its interesting to note that the Government increased the number of people who must sign a petition to stop this kind of crap. In any event I sure with a little effort we could get the necessary signatures.
On searching the traininpg.com I am impressed with the site. I commend IPG in setting it up. It is marketing the facilities we have in a very good light.

I do with some dismay see the ice oval propaganda that does colour the site a bit, but overall it is a very good way to market ourselves to the world of athletes and coaches looking for sites for 2010.

If you don`t ask, you will never get.
Yeah, well Runner 46 you can ask and you can get, and get, and get, but there is a serious drawback. You can pay, and pay, and pay, and that will be another dead horse to pay for.
There are many residents in Prince George that live from payday to payday. Their big concern is their rent might increase, or interest rates and their mortgage coming up for renewal.
If you think marketing this city using deceit is a "good way," then your motive is sick, sick, sick.
Get with the program, and whip off those rose colored glasses.
On the other hand-if you are so rich, donate-and make it worthwhile. Maybe if there are enough rich people to donate these projects will not have to be built off the backs of the poor.
Get the message?
Pal, It makes no difference what the numbers are for a refferendum. Facts are that last time around we used a Diabold voting machine for the Tarasan refferendum, as we will in the future, and as we do for all our elections.

Here is how you win elections in todays electronic elections. Ask George Bush, and he will tell you all about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/how-to-hack-a-diebold-vot_b_26301.html
The horse is long, long dead...for gosh sakes stop beating the poor beast!

At least the incessant whining about potholes on this site has some basis in reality where when it comes to the ice oval you're getting worked up over an interpretation of text which can just as easily be read the other way by someone on the other sid eof the issue.

Oh...and I'm pretty sure I saw Elvis and JFK fixing the voting machines last referendum....better watch those two because they're sneaky!
You have said it all. Just remember next election get involved. And don't forget the money bylaw has not been mentioned and when it is we had better march on City hall.

Cheers
realitycheck: >At least the incessant whining about potholes on this site has some basis in reality<

Whining: "to complain or protest in a childish manner or about trivial things."

Perhaps the City thinks that complaints about P. G. potholes and busted roads fit the above Wikipedia definition.

No wonder it doesn't rate very high and doesn't get the attention it deserves.

The Mayor said that we have the best roads and streets of any similarly sized city in a northern climate anywhere in the world.

Has he indeed travelled the whole world already?





I think we are in bad need of a BC Municipal Board to keep City Councils in line.
I agree with Owl. It does not appear that the Mayor or City Council has any real responsibility, except to try and get re-elected.


We need some way of looking at expenditures over time and deciding if they have any merit, or if they are just ways of spending taxpayers dollars.

It appears that their are no checks or balances on City Spending. Their budget seems to always be the same amount as they expect to collect in taxes. You would think that at some point we would begin to see a reduction in taxes as we have built all the facilities, bridges, etc that we need, and are now starting to re-do them.

We need an in depth look at this City and all its spending etc; to get a good idea where we are, and where we will be 10 years from now.