Sounds like t's some people that are too sensitive. So we either have to relocate the gravel pit, stop making noise and dst. Nah, the sensitive ones should relocate. Nothing is going to be good enough for them. The city has to mandate that only funeral music is played on the radio and the city has to die to keep these folks happy.

I say Council stick it out for another ten to fifteen years and those baby boomers will no longer be a nuisance.

After they make the award to the victim services lady, they spend the rest of the evening giving themselves awards !

Anything to avoid listening to the whiners. Are these the same people that buy or build a house right next to the highway and then complain about traffic noise ?

If you so unfortunate two get some chronic respiratory disease because of the wonderful air quality in this town I hope you won't become one of those "whiners" you so easily condemn. You remind me of those who say our health care system is womnderful until you have to become a consumer of it, then you complain louder and longer then anyone. The hypocracy is nauseating at times.

No, I was smart enough to avoid the bowl from the first day I drove into PG. Our health care system is a shambles, another reason to avoid the bowl. The only thing nauseating is Mohammed thinking the mountain is coming to him, instead of vice versa.

You remind me of people who think you can have clean air in an area with a large land depression that contains three pulp mills, a refinery, a train yard and several chemical and industrial facilities.

The smell of the bowl is nauseating all the time.

Who complained about traffic noise?

Are you complaining about the complainers?

Time to start an anti-complaining group from the sounds of it. Problem is, how can you complain about not complaining? *LOL*

I think I am going to start an anti-do-nothing group ..... maybe tomorrow ... or maybe next week ... well, whenever I get a round tuit.

;-)

I think I'm whining about the whiners....
maybe I need a support group.

Just to make sure we have history straight.

The pulp mills came in 1965 or so. That is over 50 years after the city plan was laid out and people populated the bowl. So anyone arguing the "who came first excuse" is out to lunch.

The real argument is quite simple actually and simply needs someone with street smarts. No rocket science involved..

We simply were not as aware of the problems such mills would cause with respect to the air we breathe. Some were, but no the generasl population around here, even though I understand that there were those who opposed it. However, they were told the prevailing winds were from the south and these plants are thus downstream of those winds. Whether inversions were considered or not at the time, I do not know.

It was not much over 10 years ago when people in authority would not buy the argument that air quality affected health, especially so called particulates. The MoE was still handing out questionable emission permits.

Things change. Typically we eventually do something about it. Sometimes not the obvious, but those are often too expensive.

Interestingly enough, there are still too few people in our society who feel that when it comes to saving lives and maintainig reasonable health for their fellow human beings the cheapest way of doing things is till good enough, people's lives be dammed.

So, as one example of change and how to solve a problem, there are no more houses, other than a couple that are built on high ground, in the island cache area. Since the hazard cannot be moved, people were moved. Easy enough in that case since they were mostly the poor and underprivileged, as I understand it. Again, we do not treat everyone the same.

In the case of the mills, there are many things that can be done. Some are already under way.

1. Fewer emissions into the air through better technology - has been worked on and will likely continue to be worked on.

2. No new major emissions into the bowl without equal and even a greater reduction of existing emissions - already a policy of the local MoE office as I understand it and has been for some time.

3. Provision of heavy industrial lands outside the bowl - has not been accomplished yet, but we may hear something on that shortly.

4. Provision of a ring road to remove some of the industrial traffic from the bowl - there may even be something in the works there, I am told.

5. No further subdivisions close to existing industrial properties with high noise and air emissions - the city botched that when they approved the Fraser Bench development. So, it becomes a buyer beware situation there, and I agree with others, those who buy there are their own worst enemies. They most certainly should not complain.

AirSafe, BreatheSafe.

Pedestrian Network Study? How much did that cost the city? I would have done it fer half price and I don't even know how much it cost. Did that entail counting crosswalks? At least the ones that are marked? And could be seen?

It is available on the net. I notice that the city has not learned much form it. They are still putting light standards right in the middle of sidewalks.

I do not know about the experience of others here from other communities, but I have never seen such an idiotic thing in my life until I moved here. No wonder those who use electric wheelchairs are often seen using the road rather than the sidewalks. If we think road conditions are bad, sidewalk conditions are 10 times worse.