GOT ANY GOOD INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS IN THIS TOWN?? LETS FIND OUT WHO OWNS THE HOUSE AND PUBLISH THEIR NAME.

The owners of the house are often swindled by these lawbreakers and do not know what is happening in the house until the house is raided or people move out and find thousands of dollars in damage. I have experienced this as a suite was rented out to an individual(references were good), and within a few weeks there were others there that got busted for traffiking drugs. Unfortunately the landlord tenancy act does not protect homeowners in anyway, and the druggies moved in so quickly I did not know what was happening. Better solution to publishing the owners name is to punish the traffikers, believe me as a responsible homeowner/landlord who had to pay out about 20K to fix the damage for these thugs the homeowner is not always the real problem.

Would this be advertised underground as the "Crack-Shack Drive Through"?

Absolutely correct Zoom, I've seen this happen as well. I still think public hanging would be good for this kind of scum...especially if they could get to their leaders.

Yes, yes snappi... history is just full of how violence works wonders, the latest being Iraq. It has always been blood lust like you openly show with your posting that has run humanity into the ground, bathed in hatred and blood. And yet millions such as yourself still don't get it: Vengence is not the solution to the problem... it is the problem. Why does thousands of years of historic proof still escape you?

People have always wanted drugs and always will. What drug do you prefer snappi? A few beers? Yet you feel so self rightous when someone does a drug that is not the same as yours? Please.

"I still think public hanging would be good for this kind of scum" ........

So what would you say if I think all those who think that way should be shot in order to weed them out of the gene pool?

I think this is really good action by the police for a change. Very proactive. I hope this is not a "surge and cease" operation, they need to keep up the pressure. Pats on the back for all of them.

The societal fallout of crack, and other hard drugs costs us not only lots of money, but also lots of grief and anguish and human suffering. I don't think hanging the landlord or the dealer is the answer.

I think the answer is consistency in busting these operations and taking all their money and drugs. This really is a big financial hit for them. When you hand them hit after hit, it takes the profitability out of it, and makes it not worthwhile. When I speed, I get handed an invoice, and I think the dealers should suffer the same penalty.
Remember: Hit them where it hurts.

And if you're going to talk about hanging everybody that breaks the law in some regard, we'd all be dead.

Get off the pedestal, it's for displaying art, not people.

If you keep talking like that, we're going to make you go live with Don M.

;-)

"GOT ANY GOOD INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS IN THIS TOWN?? LETS FIND OUT WHO OWNS THE HOUSE AND PUBLISH THEIR NAME."

All one has to do is a title search.

Cost from your computer is $6.60 + $1.59 service charge. (not sure what the $6.60 is if it is not a fee for service.

here are the fees.
https://www.bconline.gov.bc.ca/price_list.html#sr

Two houses set up in the same way? ... must be an expanding operation .... location, location, location .... one coming to your neighbourhood soon .... 3.72 km between operations .... :-)

Then again, maybe they are decoys ...

;-)

Does anyone here think that those using drugs and live in the Hart and College Heights and in the west of the Bowl, along the North Nechako, etc. go to that part of town to pick up their drugs?

The reason why police are busting so many crack houses is two fold.
1) Payoffs. Crimestoppers is a good venue but for the most part informants are cashing in by providing the information to the police.
2) Competition. Its a dog eat dog business so one dope seller will squeal on another in order to maximize his sales and profit.

"Competition. Its a dog eat dog business so one dope seller will squeal on another in order to maximize his sales and profit."

So we ought to see a shooting pretty soon.

Busting them is one thing, then what? How many people arrested are taken out of commission? How many are let go immediately and put back on the streets?

Being allowed to go back to what they are doing is not a deterant. Does anyone think that they will go back to their old jobs or apply for a new one. Right, who is going to hire a drug dealer or a druggie?

Chester

Can't argue with Chester's logic here.It's a viscious circle and one that is very hard to break free of.
Assuming these people actually WANT to break free of the drug lifestyle.
I still can't get past the argument that PUNSIHMENT and long term incarceration are the only real deterents.It has to hurt and it has to hurt bad!
Seems like everything else has been tried in the past,so what alternatives are we left with?
And I don't give a damn what anyone says,the drug problem itself and related issues does seem to be getting worse.
"coming to a neighbourhood near you" is a pretty good discription of what is happening everywhere.
I firmly believe the answers are in the courts.They are failing us all badly.

"I still can't get past the argument that PUNSIHMENT and long term incarceration are the only real deterents."

I would think any reasonable person who would look at the USA stats of crimes and associate tht with their states for "punishment", and then look at similar stats in Europe would come up with the notion that if one wishes to emulate the USA or Europe, the obvious choice is Europe.

There are still too many people on this side of the puddle who are thinking wild west. Packin' a six shooter and lynchin' people after a quick trial in the back shed with looki loos lookin' on is the way they want to go back to.

Very primitive indeed and completely irrational when one looks at the stats throughout the world!!!!

Remember folks, we are not on this planet by ourselves. Others are faced with the same situation and some others are doing worse while some others are dong better. Does it not make sense to see who is doing better, find out why, and go with that system?

Thank you Owl for bringing logic into this argument.

The American system is a complete failure. Why anyone would want to go that direction is beyond me.

"The American system is a complete failure. Why anyone would want to go that direction is beyond me."

Because if you're stupid and uneducated, it still makes you sound like you have something to say.

I'll say it a third time....

Once upon a time, cattle rustling was a hanging offence.....people still rustled cattle.

Harsh, brutal, savage, cruel, bloodlust punishment is as much a failure as is jailtime, as is probation, as is public humiliation, as is peer pressure, etc, etc.

It is a direct result of our structure as a society. It must be dealt with as a society, but nobody is interested in that. They want to call 1-800-mr.fix-it and make it somebody else's problem to deal with.

Prostitution is another societal failure that I expect we will legislate or punish an end to, anytime soon. Ha ha ha ha !

Somebody here said, "Who would hire a druggie, or a dealer ?"

So what the hell else do they do for money ?

Everybody has to eat, so when you exclude somebody from the dinner table, they find another way to get a meal.

Do any of you actually listen to the words that dribble out of your mouth, or read what you just puked up on the screen ?

We could use the american system and I'm not referring to the "wild west string em up solution". The penalties that are actually handed out to drug pushers and traffickers are quite heavy. Houses, cars, anything of value tied to the traffickers are seized and auctioned off, or utilized by law enforcement agencies. Canada has been lacking in this area for years and has only been starting to use the proceeds of crime legislation.
Locally, it IS the courts fault. Not the police as they are doing the job. Sentences that are only a slap on the wrist or seen as the price of doing business are a pitiful comparison to the US way of handing out punishment. SO what if we will need to build more prisons? Its more work for those who need it in the construction industry!

...And you get to pay for it all. We are already overtaxed, and the government's debtload is not decreasing any, so...if you think it's a great idea, start financing it. We don't even have the money to fix a damn bridge.

The courts are led by legislation, as well as step sentencing principles, as well as a complicated web of case law. They are not as almighty and powerful as you seem to think. Judges cannot just hand out 25 year sentences every time they get their sh!t in a knot.

Auction off proceeds of crime ? Great idea, you just have to go through a lengthy and expensive process for each item, to prove that it was obtained by way of capital that was generated exclusively by criminal activity. That's why it is not used so much.

So, where does all that mess leave us ?

Well, if there are no "users", or buyers, there will be no dealers. Look at Amsterdam and the like for an insight as to how to look at, and deal with drugs as a societal problem, not a legal problem.

Once there was a man who spent years and years trying to ride his bicycle uphill with a flat tire. Eventually he changed his way of thinking, and decided to walk up the hill and carry his bike.

So IMORG, with the “punishment” in the USA being harsher than in Canada, and your theory that harsher sentences will reduce the crime rate, is the drug related crime rate lower in the USA than in Canada?

Dunno owl, you'd have to look at the stats but remember, the states have 10 times the population we do. On a per capita basis, who knows, Canada may actually be catching up!

And, I wouldn't mind paying more taxes to get the drugs off the street along with the people who sell and use them.....what is the price you'd be willing to pay for safer and cleaner streets? Nothing is free and I think us canadians have been very complacent thinking that the states only have this problem....

"what is the price you'd be willing to pay for safer and cleaner streets"

I am willing to pay for streets which are safer to drive my car on without causing damage to it, without posing a risk every time I or the other driver swerve suddenly to avoid a pothole and may run into an oncoming car. Watching out for potholes is more distractive than driving using a cell phone or listening to music or talking to a passenger.

Cleaner streets too. Get out there and sweep them. Get rid of the weeds growing between the cracks in the sidewalks and boulevard pavers.

As far as crime goes, the streets in PG are quite safe. How often do we hear of a purse snatching, pickpockets (is there such a thing in PG?). What we seem to hear about is some “swarming” by groups who have nothing to do and are looking for some “kicks”. That is very difficult to prevent since it is not an ongoing practice by “street gangs” if we even have any such animal around here.

Violent crime associated with drugs comes from shootings such as appears to be the case in Sunday’s situation. It typically involves those who are the dealers so affects only those who choose that lifestyle. If you race a car, you might get injured or killed as just happened in the lower mainland again. If you push drugs, you put yourself in a dangerous position as well. I am more concerned about street racing where the general public is more likely to get hurt than in the case of turf over drug wars or non-payment of monies owed. Typically innocent bystanders are not involved with the latter.

So, I am willing to pay more taxes to mitigate the results of drugs. Those drugs, however do much more damage to the users than the pushers.

So, I am interested in supporting programs which help users overcome their addiction. I happen to think that the best way of doing that is to deal with the demand end rather than the supply end of the chain.

Here's the bottom line for a workable solution:

1). Social intervention for users.
2). Police intervention for dealers.

However, it needs to be ongoing, and consistent. That's all it takes, but we have a big problem with the consistent part.

Owl, I'm not talking about literally cleaning the streets and filling potholes silly person!
And the streets of PG are NOT THAT safe. There is much that goes on that is not reported to the media. Take it from one who has seen it. Unless your in law enforcement you have no idea what really is happening out there. But I suppose if the whole populace knew, nobody would venture out at night.
But go ahead, take a nightly stroll through the VLA .............

How about we outlaw streets. That way they can't be unsafe.

StreetSafe.