I think citizenship, the most important thing in our society, should be a graduated process to protect traditional Canadian values, and add a level of security in this new age of transnational duel citizens that have full rights in Canada, as Canadians, meanwhile they are running terrorist training camps in Afghanistan, or stirring the pot in the Middles East in our name.

The Canadian citizenship has been cheapened to the point where it is almost meaningless. The corporate political structure has us right where they want us and we need to take back our rights and ensure we have a citizenship based democracy. I think this can be achieved with the five main points listed below:

#1) No more duel citizenship, period. This means the Israelis, the Mohammad’s, the Lebanese, and yes even the British. The idea of an American situation of a duel citizen (e.g.Chertoff) running Homeland Security should scare everyone. The 30,000 duel citizens living in Lebanon we had to rescue last year is another prime example of this kind of abuse going on (i.e. the drain on our social programs by ex-pat’s).

#2) Only second generation Canadians should be allowed to be employed by the federal and provincial governments as well as hold positions as minister of crown agencies, or sit on the judiciary.

#3) Any dual citizen using their passport for illegal ends should lose citizenship.

#4) New citizens should only be allowed to vote if they have been in this country for 18 years.

#5) Citizenship exams should be required and only authorized in the two official languages of this country.

Time Will Tell

P.S. Hedi Fry should be deported for her campaings of hate against white Canadians and her promotion of divisions in Canadian culture.

Under your #1 the term "the Mohammad’s" presumably refers to "Mohammedans", which is an older term for the religion of Islam. Saying no more Islam is like saying no more Christianity, or Hinduism or Sikhism. Now I might agree that the activities of fundamentalist religious idiots should be curtailed, but attacking religion in general should be avoided, I think.

Or were you under the illusion that "Mohammed's" is a nationality?

I was generalizing in the greatest possible extent referring to all who could be of various nationalities that are holding duel Canadian citizenship regardless of their faith. I did not say no more of anyone, just no more duel citizens.

Mohammed's could have just as easily been Johnnytwoboats to serve the point of a general group of people that are holding a Canadian passport, while also holding a passport of another nation and declaring their loyalty to both nations.

Personally I don't think an Israeli citizen should be director of the US Homeland Security, or a French citizen the Prime Minister of Canada. It raises to many conflicts of interest even if in appearance only.

I hope its not yet a hate law to state that opinion?

How quickly one forget's that "Johnnytwoboats" was here before those who began making laws about what it is to be Canadian and who gets to stay here.

Your true colours have come out yet once again.

I would rather not say "I am proud to be Canadian" because there is lots about Canada that is questionable when it comes to the way the people living on this land are treated by others living on this land but rather I do say I'm proud to be Heidi who lives in Canada. Just like I would say i'm proud to be Heidi who lives in Germany (if my mom and her family didnt move here when she was two) Part of being canadian is accepting people for who they are and where they came from as long as they are good people and that's what i'm proud of. As long as we can all live on this piece of land together and make it better then we should be saying "I'm proud to be Canadian!" but you know we have too many people still who live here that only think of how they can benefit from a situation and make it hard to stand up and yell that. Hate me if you want but that's how i feel and part of being canadian is having a voiced opinion :) So lets all start treating eachother with more respect and fairness and become proud canadians.

Canadians are not unique. We share a heritage with all those in North and South America, as well as Australia and New Zealand, in that the Europeans, Asians and even Africans, under force of slavery, who settled those countries over the last 500 or less years.

We all came onto lands which not uninhabiated, but rather generally sparsely inhabited by groups who did little to defend their land. They were either not capable of fighting off the influx of people or were willing to share.

We did not have to become citizens of their tribes. We did not have to shed our culture and ancestry and citizenship. In fact, we dominated theirs.

Our very history makes us multicultural for reasons which deal with our ancestors being part of the largest and quickest migration in the history of the world. Our heritage is not quickly forgotten, nor should it be.

Do not confuse nationalistic and religious political activists who move from country to country with the legitimate migration of people from one part of the world to another. Those activists have been around for centuries finding asylum in appropriate countries from where they carry on their attempts at regaining power. They should be dealt with in other ways.

A blanket approach such as suggested would not even make a dent in such intentions while taking away the freedoms from many others.

"They were either not capable of fighting off the influx of people or were willing to share."

*We welcomed the new arrivals and agreed to share our technology, resources and land with them.*

This statement was made by the Grand Chief of Nations a few years ago during a CBC interview.

Now we all live together here, for better or for worse.

On this Canada Day I optimistically say: "For the better!"

Happy Canada Day!

Amen!!!

Happy Canada Day .... a great piece of the earth with a rich and varied heritage in the making.

I have lived in 4 cities and two countries in my life.

• The city and country of birth.
• The Canadian city I lived in during most of my elementary and secondary education.
• The city of my post secondary education and initial work period.
• And finally the city which I chose to spend the rest of my life in, Prince George.

I remember them all well; I have family and friends in all of them and thus direct connections which are there. Whether I have a piece of paper of citizenship or have to revoke another piece of paper from another country does not impact those relationships. There is the bureaucracy of citizenship and there is the personal feeling of citizenship. One cannot remove the latter.

But Prince George is my home and the place on earth I owe loyalty to. After that comes British Columbia, which I dearly love because I happen to think it is the best in the country. Then comes Canada, not first, but third. In fact, it may not even be that on some days. It may be what some people refer to as Cascadia, the geographic-economic-cultural district along the north western seabord of North America stretching from Northern Oregon to Prince Rupert and the associated inland central plateau to the west of the Rockies.

For those who think that only Canada has a "problem" of "foreign" signs in their "homeland".

Cologne Germany - Turkish
http://flickr.com/photos/henvre/236853632

New York City - Hebrew, Spanish -that'll really get chadermando's goat ;-)
http://flickr.com/photos/j-pride/219501918

Paris – Chinese New Year’s Parade
http://flickr.com/photos/jasonyoung02/403120299/in/photostream

Spain - Moroccan (Arabic) stop sign
http://flickr.com/photos/8733132@N03/534081846

Toronto – Portuguese Community
http://flickr.com/photos/isabelasoul/423149600

I do not think I need to go on.

It’s called globalization, not even multiculturalism anymore. We are past that. Certainly not anti-Canadian, disloyalty or insurrection.

I must say that I have become a Canadian. Last April I went back to what I used to think of as home, the UK, and I did not feel comfortable at all. I could no longer relate to the society, the TV, the way of speaking and a whole host of other things. Even the streets were narrow. I was really glad to get home, to Canada.

To all my fellow Canadians, enjoy Canada's Day.

Owl you are missrepresenting using fear for a political advantage.

I am a proud Canadian and even have it tatooed on my arm. I am proud that our country protects and gives rights to all peoples not based on race or religion, but on the fact that they are fellow human beings.

That said I do not believe in the globalized citizen concept where we are all global citizens within Canada's political system. We need our citizenship rights to our country to protect the rights of Canadians, our environment, and the future we wish to pass on to our decendents.

The idea that we are simply global residents that if living in Canada have full political decision making rights is wrong. Its a corporate policy designed to undermine our society. We see it every day in the abuse of globalization on the environment and labour rights of our citizens here in Canada, as well as abroad.

Owl says, "A blanket approach such as suggested would not even make a dent in such intentions while taking away the freedoms from many others."

I ask who's rights are being taken away. I never said new residents on the road to citizenship should not have health care, benefit from social programs, or any other rights under law. Obviously any changes in citizenship would need to be grandfather claused, as to not affect current Canadian citizens, but new Canadians would have to earn their loyalty to their new country before having direct input how the country is managed politically and benefiting from public sector employment (acception for the medical profession on work mobility).

IMO government jobs are paid way more than any private sector jobs, with the added bonus of job and benefits security. These jobs should be a reward for Canadian's (born in Canada or 18+ years) who wish to participate in building their country. They should not be going to new arrivals with no history of building this country in the private sector. I don't like being audited by a recent arrival with bad english that can not understand the laws she is trying to apply and is ignorant of how things work in Canada.

IMO you are either loyal to Canada as your nationality, or you should not have a Canadian citizenship. If you give up your other citizenship in another country you are on the road to becoming a Canadian. Then if you can speak and write in one of the two official languages you have earned the right to apply and be granted a learners citizenship that grants you all rights of a Canadian citizen other than the right to vote and work for the government. After 18 years of living in Canada your apprenticeship is over and you can now vote on the political direction of Canada at all levels. When you have children they will not only have full voting rights at the age of 18, but will also be allowed to work for the government as full fledged Canadian citizens.

Throughout this process they can hang any sign they want in any language they want outside their store window. I could really care less and will shop where I see the best deal. If Jacob sells a good apple, I'll buy it from Jacob, same goes for Mohammad.

LOL my true colors, Owl. What would those be. I made up the term 'Johnnytwoboats' so as to not be seen as discriminating against any individual group. I think you're reading your own bias into the comment.

Cheers
Happy Canada Dyay!

good heavens Ben, you are sounding like my dear old Dad!......we let them come to our country, why can't they all just be like us. If the people who are here 1st get to decide what everyone after will be like, then I would suggest Ben, that you and I have a problem as the 1st nations peoples were here well before our ancestors! I much prefer to see our countries heritage and citizenship as an ongoing, developing, living entity, one that was a bit different yesterday than it is today and tomorrow will be a bit different again. I am proud of the diversity and opportunity that immigrants have brought to this country and the same way that I am proud of the diversity and opportunities we have been able to offer to them. Many countries raise barrier and say, you shall be like us or you shall leave. Let us embrace our good fortune to be different, to be unique and to be admired the world over.

good heavens Ben, you are sounding like my dear old Dad!......we let them come to our country, why can't they all just be like us. If the people who are here 1st get to decide what everyone after will be like, then I would suggest Ben, that you and I have a problem as the 1st nations peoples were here well before our ancestors! I much prefer to see our countries heritage and citizenship as an ongoing, developing, living entity, one that was a bit different yesterday than it is today and tomorrow will be a bit different again. I am proud of the diversity and opportunity that immigrants have brought to this country and the same way that I am proud of the diversity and opportunities we have been able to offer to them. Many countries raise barrier and say, you shall be like us or you shall leave. Let us embrace our good fortune to be different, to be unique and to be admired the world over.

“If you give up your other citizenship in another country you are on the road to becoming a Canadian.”

Just on the road? So that means that someone comes here from Poland, the first thing they have to do is renounce their Polish Citizenship? They are then what? No citizenship, no passport. No passport, no international travel. For 18 years? Not even for 18 days as far as I am concerned. Anyone who has no citizenship is lost in the modern world.
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“Then if you can speak and write in one of the two official languages you have earned the right to apply and be granted a learners citizenship”

Only after you read and write in at least one of the official languages can you apply? Read and write to what extent? Many people born here can’t read or write. We’ve had posts about that on here before. Would speaking the language help? How about if you cannot speak? Deaf and blind people need not bother coming here and be allowed to voice an opinion that might matter at an election?

And when exactly does the 18 years start? On landing? On revoking the citizenship of origin? On reading and writing in either English or French (Dick and Jane poem good enough?) On applying?
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“…. a learners citizenship that grants you all rights of a Canadian citizen other than the right to vote and work for the government.”

So that person from Poland, who has a PhD in Forest Engineering, cannot work at a University as a professor which is funded by the province? Or work for the Canadian Forest Service? Lots of state secrets in the Forest Service. He can’t even work for CSIS as a spy who might be interested in him since he speaks 7 languages and knows the old Eastern European Block and Russia like the back of his hand.
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“After 18 years of living in Canada your apprenticeship is over and you can now vote on the political direction of Canada at all levels.”

And what difference will that make to Canada? His apprenticeship will have taught him what? That fewer people vote in Canada than in his place of origin? That you do not have to vote here? That people are pretty disenchanted in their government and feel that voting makes no difference anyway? That they are told it is all about name recognition and not about platforms. That listening to platforms really is a waste of time because when they get in, the platform is left behind?

If the types of things which are taught during the apprenticeship are different from the general opinion held by Canadian citizens one poll after another, where will this teaching go on? Not in the public forums. And if such teaching is successful, then the first who should take it are the politicians.
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“When you have children they will not only have full voting rights at the age of 18, but will also be allowed to work for the government as full fledged Canadian citizens.”

I worked for the government when I was 13. I was stuffing booklets into envelopes in the Canadian Tourist Bureau in Ottawa to be sent all over Canada and the world to promote Canadian tourism to those who applied by mail to receive such information. I made money to pay for my first 3 gear CCM racing bike for $50. in the first few weeks. I was in the country for 5 years. I was not a Canadian Citizen till I was of age (16). I realize such jobs are top secret and could ruin the entire homeland security system these days.

“I love bureaucrats”, says I tongue-in-cheek. But I think I am starting to see that it does take some level of intelligence to be one and I must learn to appreciate them a bit more.

;-)

BTW, the way I described my personal allegiance from the local community of Prince George to the larger entity is the way the Swiss System of Confederation and Citizenship works. You first must be registered in a community as a citizen of that community. They know you. They know your family. Homeland Security starts at the local level. Block watch is the right idea. No yellow signs at the end of the street necessary though. It should come naturally. Some paper pusher in Ottawa doesn’t know you from Adam.

Then comes the Canton or Province, then comes the Confederation.

Why do I bring up Switzerland? Because it is one of the oldest surviving confederacy in the world, dating back to 1291. In addition, it has four official languages in an area 41,000 sq km which is 80% of the size of Nova Scotia. In addition, it has changed its citizenship laws recently to make it possible for outsiders to actually become Swiss. Switzerland is very traditional, in case you have never been there.

BTW, thumbs up to skabowl1 .... good post!

The hyphenated nationality thing. Why does it exist?

At least two reasons that I can see.

One comes from the individual who is looking for their roots. Since the roots are often not visible in non-visible minorities such as Scots, Irish, English, French, USA type Americans, and others who have some of the longest family histories in North America, the hyphenation sometime comes about when people look for their roots. Sometimes it even goes so far as to be triple hyphenated - Quebec-Irish-Canadian. Brian Mulroney, for example. New York-Irish-American.

The other comes from the people surrounding the individual. Those are typically associated with those who are a visible minority. Chinese, East Indian, those from the West Indies, etc. I think the “white” Canadians refer to those from India as Indo-Canadians more so than those from India do. I might be wrong, but that is my impression.

In either case, I agree that hyphenated descriptors relating citizenship with country of origin should be discouraged. At least until the citizen apprentice system is brought in under Prime Minister Chadermando. In that case, the apprentices can be referred to as hyphenated Canadians. Thus a Turkish-Canadian would be a person residing in Canada, having originally been a citizen of Turkey, revoked that citizenship under duress in order to live here and become part of the community and spending 18 years cooped up waiting for a passport, unable to go to the USA for cheap gasoline.

;-)

God bless the corporate structure.Do we really need to be struggling to live a decent life.
My alleg

God bless the corporate structure.Do we really need to be struggling to live a decent life.
My allegiance,back when I was employed by a large American company in P.G. was to the large American company.
It was my job to take money from your wallet to fatten the bottem line.
Kinda ramling here but yeah , I don't believe in hypenated Canadian either.However I am Canadian so I hope I don't offend any new people by saying this.

"Canada is one of only a handful of nations where social and cultural change fueled by immigration is perhaps the only enduring societal constant."

"One of the most vivid manifestations of change in recent decades has been in the origins of immigrants to Canada. Once a country dominated by migration from the UK and Europe, today Canada accepts immigrants from every part of the globe, with the most important flows coming from countries in South, East and Southeast Asia. Between 1956 and 1976, 63.6 percent of immigrants came from the UK and Europe and only 11.9 percent from Asia. By 2000, however, the flows had almost completely flipped, with only 18.9 percent of immigrants coming from the UK and Europe and 53 percent from Asia. An additional 18 percent of immigrants came from Africa and the Middle East, 7.5 percent from South and Central America and the Caribbean, and 2.6 percent from the United States."

http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?ID=20

The articles is a few years old, but paints a pretty good picture of the change of immigrant origin over the past two or so decades.

Interestingly it was partly brought on by the level of education required, ability to speak the language, and ability to make a living on one's own.

I suspect we are more accepting of the European culture than the Asian culture because most of the population that have been here longer or were born here can trace their ancestry to that part of the world. They are not as "foreign" to us.

Look at Toronto stats. 4 out of 10 people living there were born outside of Canada and Vancouver is not far behind.

Let's disenfranchise those people we are inviting to join us to help us build our cities and nation. What a good idea!

Owl, since when did your passport get tied to your right to vote? This hypothetical is getting out of hand. A 17-year old does not have the right to vote, because they are considered by current law as not mature enough, and yet they can still get a passport.

An apprenticeship to gain voting rights is simply living in Canadian society as a citizen (no school or preaching) for a period of years observing the societal norms of the people in that society and gaining a respect for the values people in day to day life find acceptable to their sensibilities. It is not much to ask when you invite people to move into your neighbourhoods and I would argue would enhance respect for the new society. Maybe the age of suffrage is too high, I'm not sure, and think that would have to be decided by the people.

One thing is for sure the population of the worlds’ cities is expected to double in the next 13 years. The Earths eco-system can not handle this kind of abuse for much longer especially when all will want our level of affluence. We should not be ashamed about the facts, but rather aware and vigilant IMO. The facts are that a great many of these people will be on the move in great migrations to survive going where the water is. BC is home to 10% of the worlds’ rainfall and is prime destination number one, especially after 2010. The Hong Kong migration was only a small taste of what is possible in the future. The Hongcouver effect essentially wiped Northern BC from relevance in provincial voting power with the three-fold increase in Vancouvers population. Everyone has observed and commented how we live two different economies increasingly alien to one another. Similar waves of migrants will devastate us politically and we will be simple slaves to an ignorant voting majority that comes from a culture of bribes and buy offs with the idea to milk it for all its got. That is dangerous and its in our life time. Look at L.A. for a preview of the potential to come. Look how well South Africa was managed when the suffrage demographics were altered faster than could be absorbed by the political system… chaos. That last scenario would obviously be to one side of the spectrum in this debate, but facts remain the idea of a buffer type of elastic capacitor to the wave of changing demographics would be a good thing for this region of BC and Canada.

The truth lies somewhere in the middle….

"The Hongcouver effect essentially wiped Northern BC from relevance in provincial voting power

Similar waves of migrants will devastate us politically and we will be simple slaves to an ignorant voting majority "


...... now I see what you are getting at ... just as I thought .... The non Asian immigrants were much better in their voting ability that the Asians ....

Chadermando, your colours are showing louder with every post ...

Oh.... someone just called me after reading the posts and said I forget to mention that you are a bigot ...

But I do not typically attack people in that fashion, that is why I did not post that.

;-)

How am I a bigot? Please explain. Is it because I cited an example of a mass migration that skews our say in our democracy as in the huge growth situation in Vancouver which although greatly influenced by Asian migration due to the Hong Kong handover, was not entirely of that making and did involve many non-Asians as well.

I think you Owl are the bigot for insinuating that it is all about race or nationality and not an issue about immigration that is not done respecting existing Canadians rights to democracy first, and then the rights to new comers to participate in an orderly fashion. I didn't single out the race issue, that was your piece of work. I would see all immigration laws apply across the board whether we are talking about Chinese, American, British or what ever other place an immigrant comes from.

I guess if we have rising sea levels and displaced peoples in the millions we can just invite them all to Canada tomorrow and give them all the right to vote from the get go wiping out the traditional Canadian Parliamentary distribution and thus Canada itself. Or we can be really callus and take the Owl root and tell them all to stay home and die, because we do not have the ability to integrate large numbers of immigrants. Within the next 20 years we can see waves in the millions running to Canada to escape environmental degradation, resource depletion, or wars as a result of the first two. In fact I see the coming great depression in the United States as the biggest near term potential for mass migration that will present problems for our political system. Transportation to get here is no longer a barrier to mass migration.

What we have here is two different outlooks on the world.

We have Owl, who sees the world through the lens of Empire. We are all cattle of the state and its about how best to grow the state regardless of the rights of its existing citizens. His common sense is based on pre-determined actions and outcomes, and not on science. The past examples is the guide Owl likes to follow.

Then we have Chad, who sees a boundless universe that is the expression of the peoples motivations based on scientific principles which forms the existence we experience. The potential for a political system that gets beyond the pre-determined bias that functions on knee jerk reactionaries ignorant of the principles that underline the process and policies that add purpose and reason to the political body.

A person raised in a corrupt European Soviet Union for example has no concept of universal freedoms based on the principles of our society norms. Slogans work well for these people who’s votes can cancel out those of the more informed. The misunderstanding of cultural differences due to pre-determined ideals, values, and loyalties can actually take our political discourse backwards instead of foreword looking.

For example how many of the new Vancouver residents have direct experience with Northern BC in a way that they can relate the importance of this regions issues with that of the province as a whole. Do they make good stewards of our future in Northern BC? Whether it be resource verse services industry, gun laws, resource dollar allocation, infrastructure needs, disaster assistance, or simply the Olympic spending. Facts are we have lost our voice as it is diluted and diminished to the point where we are nothing more than a colony of 3/5 foreign citizens in the Vancouver-Victoria majority that are ignorant of that piece on the map north of them.

A real bigot would be like Owl and make statements based on pre-determined actions and outcomes. I prefer to base my opinion on the science of underlying principle. I would prefer we had a political system that reflects the realities (ie BCSTV for starters, followed by a Northern BC province or some kind of regional veto type mechanism like a Provincial senate), but our pre-determined reactionary bigot friends like to hold back that view and force us to look at other alternatives to address the same underlying problem.

Time Will Tell

At the end of the day, people are judged by their actions not their words.

Have a nice day.

"I would see all immigration laws apply across the board whether we are talking about Chinese, American, British or what ever other place an immigrant comes from."

That is always the argument isn't it? Since toughening the laws only for the group you wish to single out would be discrimination, you simply apply the tougher rule for all. Makes you looks squeaky clean to those who do not know differently.

Do you realize that the total numbers immigrating to Canada in its "modern" history is miniscule compared to the immigration in the early 1900's? In 1913 there were over 400,000 who arrived in Canada. As it states in the link, it would be proportionally the same as receiving 1.5 million a year. The fear of different cultures, especially from the East, changing the “natural” makeup of Canada, which I can only assume to be First Nations, British, and French, has been around for at least a 100 years. Somehow we have survived as a nation and have become a greater nation now than we were in the past, expect in the field of battle.

Do you also realize that official discriminating against Chinese does not only go back to the head tax days, but is carried forward well into recent times. You are showing that it still exists by the examples you are bringing forth.

You were the one who stated: “The Hongcouver effect”, not me. Why did you not mention the “Calatrail” effect”? To celebrate that effect, Trail is building an Italian-like Piazza for the province’s 150th anniversary in 2008.

In the context of “Hongcouver” you also stated that “Everyone has observed and commented how we live two different economies increasingly alien to one another.”

What you do not see because of your bias is that people like me are talking about service industries such as the film industry, the computer games development industry, the remote sensing industry, the tourist industry, the convention industry, etc., etc. There is nothing racial about that. Those industries are occupied by all. To infer that what is meant is that the economy is different due to racial characteristics is unfounded and continues to point to your racially prejudicial few of the world.

Then you go on to say: “we will be simple slaves to an ignorant voting majority that comes from a culture of bribes and buy offs with the idea to milk it for all its got.”

Bribes come in various forms. It is influence peddling in the most direct way. Does a Premier take a bribe if he gets a deck put on his house as a favour? How about when a political official gets a free trip to a vacation destination? How about those “build-in” bribes of a percentage of the take from a business that you have control over permitting to operate at a certain level.

What exactly is a bribe? Are lobbyists actually bribers? Or are they influencers? “Here is $200,000 for your election campaign. BTW, I am ready to go ahead with that project I was talking to you about recently. Let me know if you need some more information of that project would allow you to vote yes on its go ahead.” Is that a bribe? Does in go on in Canada and the USA? You know it does.

So don’t talk to me about people of Asian descent having a culture of bribery. If they do, it is merely different than ours in how it is carried on. Business is conducted with different nuances all over the world. Influence peddling is also conducted in different ways all over the world.

I am afraid it is people like you who Heddy was talking about when she said crosses were burning in PG as we speak.

To be frank with you, I was quite insulated until this site was opened up and I discovered how many people actually fit the characteristics she was talking about. I simply do not move in the circles of people who think that way. It is not a part of PG which makes me proud to live here. It appears she may have been right on the money!

http://www.web.net/~ccr/history.html

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-69-1433-9250/life_society/chinese_immigration

"At the end of the day, people are judged by their actions not their words."

And this has what meaning in this context?

Would it be that pledging allegiance to a flag might be good, but if you commit your life to make the country a better place for everyone to live in is an action of allegiance rather than hollow words with actions that do not reflect that pledge.

Such as?

• Keeping money in off-shore banks?
• Buying vacation homes in foreign countries and spending most of your vacation money in places outside of the country?
• Not buying Canadian-made products?
• Flaunting Canadian laws?
• Not voting at each election?
• Watching US channels and shows instead of Canadian channels and shows?
• Frequenting Starbucks instead of Tim Hortons?
• Buying US currency in the belief that the C$ will go down by 10% within the next year.

Owl you are fixated on this Chinese thing. I do not in any way have ill will feeling towards the Chinese citizens. It is entirely in your imagination, I think just to smear the argument because that is all you have. I specifically used European in my last post and yet you went back and again attributed the comment to Chinese and Asians. I think you need help.

I used one single word 'Hongcouver' used countless times by others in mainstream media to describe the Hong Kong-Vancouver migration of the late 90's and suddenly I am labelled a racist because you don't like my opinion....

Personally I think you are trying to get me to single out Asians for discrimination because it would then make it easier for you to make your argument of discrimination. If you can make the argument one about discrimination then you can use that to say that every tourist to Canada can vote in our elections as long as they have a hotel room in Canada at election time. I don't buy that line of thinking.

Quit singling out Asians for your racist based arguments and what ever point it is that you are trying to make might become more clear. IMO you and Hedy Fry are like peas in a pod on this one.

Actions?
How about Vik Basi influence peddling for privatization of public assets like BC Rail, or

Edger Bronfman long time Canadian recent duel citizen who is funnelling international capital to organizations that harass Canadians that do not share the zionist agenda with smear and threats.

What about the migrant that gets a passport then never again lives and contributes to Canada until their Canadian passport comes handy for an insurance policy like the 30,000 in Lebanon last summer.

We even have some duel citizen Israeli-Canadians that were caught last year using their Canadian passport to carry out terrorism activities against Egypt in the name of Canada. That is unacceptable for the security of our tourists for impostors working for third party states to use their Canadian passports to commit espionage in order to go under the radar on Canada’s good name and get away with that kind of activity. Egypt claims he also worked for the Canadian government to collect information on Arab Canadians that are politically active for the Israeli government.

Recently Israel refused to hand over a duel citizen accused of cold blooded murder in Toronto over a pack of smokes , but Israeli law refuses to extradite this individual back to Canada because it is illegal to extradite an Israeli citizen to another country (even though he is also a Canadian citizen) for crimes committed in other countries (Canada). Russia has had great difficulty with the duel citizen Oligarchs that stole Russian assets and then fled to Israel (eg Yuko's shareholders, Nevlin ect).

Many groups set up in Canada simply for fund raising for terrorism in their homeland.

Some migrants are brought to Canadian shores by crude means and owe debts to their human smugglers. For some these debts are never paid.

In Britain this weekend a group of five doctor immigrants carried out the latest multiple terrorist incident. Proof that foreign civil servants are capable of attacking the country that took them in.

Name any neo-con and you will find that most have a duel citizenship. Not sure if any of them are Asian or not, maybe Owl will know that one. Even Paul Wolfowitz Assistant Secretary of Defence in the United States was a duel citizen holding Israeli citizen ship while fixing the evidence for the war in Iraq for the benefit of Israel and not the United States.

When it all comes out we will see that BAE is the British (zionist) Empire and they organized 9/11 through manipulation of duel loyalty politicians and immigrants as their terrorist proxies. Dick Cheney is their point man in America and Prince Bandar in Saudi Arabia. BAE (not the only ones ie Power Corp) runs a $200 Billion dollar slush fund to plant their agents in key positions in countries from America, to Canada, to Europe, Iran, Iraq, Africa, Japan and all points in between. Bandar made $2 Billion dollars in payments for his part in 9/11. BAE got their wars of imperialism in mid Asia and we all fight the Taliban and AQ in Iraq. Politicians are cheep when you can divide society through changes in demographics setting the agenda with controversial social issues for people to debate while a shadow government works in our name. Access to our governments in the name of citizens needs to be strengthened against the abuse that is evident today and it starts with an accurate reflection of the will of the people.

Tim Hortons is an American Company and has been for sometime. Originally taken over by Wendys, and then spun off as a stand alone Company.

All I am saying is that talk is cheap, and that action speaks louder than words.

I doubt if anyone can give you a discription of a Canadian that would be acceptable to everyone. Dual Citizenship seems to be the order of the day. I understand that approx 4 Million people hold dual Canadian Citizenship, but do not live in Canada. You just got a bit of that shown to you when they had the fracas in Lebanon.

Politicians sidle up to any ethnic group that can deliver the vote. They will don a Headress, Kilt, Burka, Turban, and in the case of Brian Mulrooney sing **When Irish eyes are smiling** Brian is a born in Quebec, French Speaking, Irish, Canadian.

For those of us who can still remember when we went to school in the 50's and 60's we were not allowed to show our nationality as Canadian, we had to show our Country of Origin. ie: France, Spain, England, India, etc; What was that all about.????

In any event you can discuss this issue forever, and you will never get it right.