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Report FromParliament's Hill - October 25th

By Prince George - Peace River M.P. Jay Hill

Thursday, October 25, 2007 03:45 AM

 
'Surprising' Poll in Afghanistan Not a Surprise at All 

Canada's public broadcaster, CBC-Television, admitted its own surprise earlier this month when its own scientific poll demonstrated that 60% of Afghans fully support the presence of foreign troops in their country, while only 16% oppose the UN-sanctioned, NATO-led military efforts in Afghanistan.  

Perhaps CBC-TV staff should have conducted that poll long ago.  They could have saved themselves the 'surprise' - and the awkwardness - at somehow not knowing what the vast majority of reporters and Canadians who have visited Afghanistan, including myself, already knew.  Average Afghans view Canadian troops as a comforting sign of security and hope for future peace and prosperity. 

As for Canadians, the only way they would have been surprised by the poll's results was if they had depended exclusively upon the CBC for their news fix.

 The CBC/Environics poll, which interviewed 1,600 Afghan men and women, also found that more than 70% of Afghans hold a positive view of their government, led by President Hamid Karzai.  That's a popularity rating leaders in most countries can only dream about!



Meanwhile, 73% of Afghans have a negative opinion of the Taliban and used words like, "I hate them" and "They are demons" to describe Taliban insurgents.

Again, nothing surprising there given that so many innocent civilians, including children, have been killed as a result of the Taliban's efforts to destroy schools, roads, bridges, power plants, hospitals and other essential infrastructure needs the Afghan people are desperately trying to establish.



It's reassuring to know the Afghan people value the ongoing sacrifices and efforts of Canadian troops and their families.  Yet it's especially heartening that progress in Afghanistan means its citizens are now able to freely take part in a democratic process like polling.

Nevertheless, Canada's role in Afghanistan must be decided by Canadians here at home.  That's why Prime Minister Stephen Harper created an Independent Panel on Canada's Future Role in Afghanistan.  The panel is comprised of Canadians with extensive experience and expertise in foreign affairs and international relations.



It will be chaired by former Liberal Deputy Prime Minister John Manley.  He'll be joined by Derek Burney, former Canadian Ambassador to the United States; Pamela Wallin, former Canadian Consul General in New York City; Paul Tellier, a Montreal business executive and former Clerk of the Privy Council of Canada; and Jake Epp, former federal cabinet minister and current chair of Health Partners International, a non-profit organization which provides medical aid to Afghanistan.


The panel will examine, but is not limited to, the following four options:

  1. Continue training the Afghan army and police so Canada can begin withdrawing its forces in February 2009;
  2. Focus on reconstruction and have forces from another country take over security in Kandahar;
  3. Shift Canadian security and reconstruction effort to another region in Afghanistan;
  4. Withdraw all Canadian military except a minimal force to protect aid workers and diplomats

The panel will report by the end of January 2008 and their impartial advice will help Canadians and parliamentarians choose the right course for Canada in Afghanistan.


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...seems I hear a duck farting in shallow water...?
:-(
Here's a different version of the poll from

http://creekside1.blogspot.com/2007/10/cbcs-strange-bedfellows.html

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 19, 2007
CBC's strange bedfellows

Dear CBC :
About that Environics poll that you state was "conducted in partnership with the CBC", the one all over CBC TV News tonight, the CBC website, CTV, the G&M, etc :

CBC : 51% of Afghans feeling good about country's direction
60 % of Afghans surveyed believe the presence of foreign troops has been good for their country.
43% say that foreign troops should stay as long as it takes to get the job done.
60 % in Kandahar have a somewhat or very positive attitude toward Canada's soldiers.
70% of Afghans surveyed said they think Karzai is doing a good job.
77% of Afghans in Kandahar said Karzai is doing a good job.

In fact the poll was conducted by ACSOR–Surveys, the Afghan Center for Social and Opinion Research, founded by D3 Systems Int., whose client base include US State Department, the US Embassy in Kabul, the Afghan Reconstruction Group, Voice of America, (PIPA) the Program on International Policy Attitudes.....

A previous PIPA poll conducted by the Afghan Center for Social and Opinion Research in November 2005 found :
80% of Afghans believe their country is going "in the right direction"
83 % of Afghan respondents said they had a favorable opinion of U.S. troops in Afghanistan
81 % expressed a favorable opinion of the United States
83% said they had a favorable (39 percent "very favorable") view of "the U.S. military forces in our country."
75% approved of eradication of opium poppy fields
90% had an unfavorable opinion of the Taliban
and so on....

This ACSOR poll was extensively used in the US media to bolster support for the war.
Just like their new one will be used here.
Peter Mackay outside the HoC today: "Afghans are now able to take part in democratic processes like polling, and I think that's another brick in the wall as far as building the [needed] security."


Another brick in the wall, indeed. Unusual use of that Pink Floyd metaphor, Pete.


Now even if you do not subscribe, as I do, to the notion that this "CBC/Enviromics partnership" poll is just another piece of bullshit brick-in-the-wall warmongering being spun by yet another US research company, this time with our CBC as a willing patsy, you have to admit that comparing the most recent ACSOR survey with their 2005 one shows Afghan opinion and support for foreign troops is actually plummetting :

2007 : 51% believe the country is going in the right direction
2006 : 80% believe the country is going in the right direction

2007 : 60% support foreign troops and Canadian soldiers
2006 : 80% support American troops

So, CBC, what have you got to say for yourself?

Research jointly conducted in the threads of Bread and Roses

Update : The CBC/G&M/La Presse Survey at Environics
Why do we have to put up with this political BS from Mr. Hill every week? I don't feel that this site should be springboard for any politician. Can't belive any of them anyway. Let's just go with the news stories and if Mr. Hill does good or bad we can then judge without his spin on it.
Perhaps one day Mr. Hill will get sore from patting himself on the back and baffling us with his totally predictable self-congratulatory sermons???

Naw, not a chance.

BTW: Not only Taliban kill innocent women and children. Bullets and missiles fired by others have also taken a deplorable toll on women, children and men. Only then it is called collateral damage and you won't read about it here.
By the look at the comments from most of you, it sure isn't much of a springboard for MP Jay Hill.

As a member of Parliament, we would expect he has the opportunity to report things from his perspective, or the government's. Especially when posters like yourselves continue to criticize everything he says.

It's one thing to criticize policy you disagree with, but why do you feel you have the right to continue to rip apart his character? How would you like it? Chester
I think they were all fair comments and I think its good Jay Hill writes his views and puts them out in the public for criticism. I don't always agree with Jay Hill and I also don't alway not agree with Jay Hill...

I think this whole war on terror thing involving Afghanistan and Iraq and all the other places is not a war against a verb, but actually a strugle of resistence to imperialism. This is a fight won with some determination, but not through force alone. I think it is a fight won through a creation of a government that is representative of the people and impliments the rule of law as a sovereign. The rule of democratic law can not be done by the Afghans or the Iraqis on their own. Blackwater USA is proof of that. Therefore this is a war IMO against (corporate)imperialism and the politics of imperialism that can only be won by individuals with freedom to expose and undermine the base in whihc imperialism is built.

I for one would like to know what Jay Hill thinks of imperialism in foreign policy and what his ideas are for fighting imperialism on the international political scene? A once time reformer elected on a base of reform populism you would think would have some ideas to share of his thoughts on this matter and how it reflects to his goverments foreign policy?

Time Will Tell

PS Talk about straw polls in Afghanistn are nothing but a side show to the real issues that he should be talking about. All I glanced over was sacrifices... Afghan-polls... we look forward to their recommendation....