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There Is Blood On The Streets of The Canadian Forest Industry

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Thursday, November 08, 2007 04:02 AM

        

Prince George, B.C. - Forestry Critic Bob Simpson says we are watching the beginning of the end of forestry as we have known it in this province.

Simpson, the MLA for Caribou North,  says that in order to have a viable forest industry it is going to need to look fundamentally different than it does right now.

Simpson says many of the forest companies have survived longer than most analysts said they would.

The forestry critic says some economists are predicting the Canadian dollar could reach $1.20, which would almost seal the fate of the forest industry.

The collapse of the US housing market, a Canadian dollar worth today $1.07 south of the border, and a duty of 15% have made companies even like West Fraser (who are known as bench mark operators) “ To hurt real bad ".

"If the producers would get together they could change the market" Simpson says, "they could simply dry up the supply of wood moving across the border thereby sending the price up".  But the problem says Simpson , "is that everyone in the industry has been playing a game of chicken seeing if they can hang on for dear life. "

John Brink echoes those sentiments.   The President of Brink Forest products says "We are taking a ’hell of a hit’, from the export tax and we are continuing to put product into the US market that they don’t need."   Brink says we need to shrink the supply and then the price will move up.

According to Brink, most of the timber is held by three major companies in this province, "Canfor, West Fraser and Tolko, they control about 75 to 80% of the fiber. The small companies don’t have the deep pockets to compete in this market. "

A forestry analyst describes it this way;

1,000 board feet  costs about $265 Canadian to  produce.    But  that same  1,000  is only selling for  $204 Canadian, and   there is a 15% duty tax to pay as well (approx $30)  so what you are really getting for  the lumber is $174 dollars  per one thousand feet.  That means  a mill is losing  about $90 dollars (Canadian) for every one thousand board feet that crosses the border.

John Brink says everyone is suffering ”There is blood on the streets and we can’t do much about it”.

Bob Simpson says there are yet further problems; "The producers can’t get rail cars to move the product and that makes the problem even larger."   Simpson says the CEO’s of many companies have been complaining that CN is not living up to the promises made that the industry would be better served by them.  "Costs have gone up and the service has dropped. CN has a monopoly in the top half of the province, you either ship CN or you don’t ship at all and they set the price. "

Simpson says at least in the southern half of the province, where CP has a monopoly, companies have been trucking their product across the border then putting it on Burlington where they get a better rate.

Why are the mills staying open,?  Brink and Simpson both say that in part, it is due to the fact companies are afraid to shut down and lose their labour pool . Once those people pick up and leave it will take a long time to get them back. In addition, the pulp mills need chips and the only way to get them is from the mills. So companies like CANFOR have been keeping their supply lines open.

Simpson and Brink also agree  that In the next few weeks there will be further breaks in the production with companies taking down time that will be lengthened to try and weather the storm.   "Everyone and I mean everyone will be taking down time in order to survive" says Brink.

The Canadian dollar closed last night at $1.07624 compared to the US dollar.


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"But the problem says Simpson , "is that everyone in the industry has been playing a game of chicken seeing if they can hang on for dear life. "

Now there's dumb statement! It's called free enterprises - businesses compete. No one from the NDP should be allowed to even use the word "business" as they don't know what it means.

Now TAX on the other hand, the NDP really likes that word!
They forgot to mention the stumpage increase in august. The mills are paying more for beetle killed wood wich in turn doesnt have the same lumber recovery and quality rate as live trees.
Political stripes aside, the forest industry is a losing business and we are all affected by it.

I shudder to think what will happen to this province once the flame goes out after the olympics.

Now that will be scary times.
The states won't give a rat's ass whether or not we ship wood to them. They'll just use their own wood since its cheaper now due to the dollar or get it somewhere else.
YamaDooPolCat and northman, both great points!

Bob would be from the same NDP that balked at 25c stumpage when the beetle problem first surfaced. The NDP kept stumpage high on beetle wood to ensure they had a stead flow of stumpage to finance all the socialist expenses. There was then no incentive for forest companies to harvest the beetle wood. (other than being forward looking which obviously they weren't!)

But we can't be too hard on Bob, he is actually doing a pretty good job, just for the wrong party (damm you Steve Wallace)

We need to work on diversifying the economy. Look at what Williams Lake has down with mountain biking... no mountain biking video is complete without scenes shot in Williams lake... kinda makes me want to move there... oh wait.. The liberals are tearing down the trails... right... he Bob..... can you do something about that?? You're a mountain biker!
"I shudder to think what will happen to this province once the flame goes out after the olympics."

This province may have been built on forestry, but forestry has been playing a smaller and smaller role over time.

In addition, forestry will not die. Watching "the end of forestry as we know it" is not saying "watching the end of forestry".

The forestry of today is different than that of 1957. Considerably different. It is also quite different from 25 years ago.

A better statement might be to shudder to think about what will happen to this part of the province. And, of course, that has little to do with the Olympic flame starting on ending. It has to do with the MPB, the US dollar, the US housing market, and the willingness of people in this community to get their heads out of the sand.
Simpson is just another political opportunist trying to find an issue that he and his party think will get them lot's of attention.
The decimation of the B.C.forest industry is nothing new.
Many people have been say exactly what Simpson is now saying for a couple of years at least although no one could have predicted the rise in the canadian dollar to the level we are now seeing.
They still had to know this was coming anyway.
Unfortunately the politicians in B.C.chose to keep their mouths shut for whatever reason.
Strong leadership means dealing with an issue such as this BEFORE it gets to this stage by searching out alternative opportunities and solutions.
Even if there aren't many solutions out there,a strong dialogue by our so called leaders will raise the profile of an issue and hopefully,something will be found to help.
Instead, what we have had up to this point is much like Nero playing his fiddle while Rome burned.
It's a bit late now, so what would Mr.Simpson suggest?
"...and there is a 15% duty tax to pay as well (approx $30) so what you are really getting for the lumber is $174 dollars per one thousand feet."

Looks like Brian Harper rushed to sign a lousy Softwood Lumber Agreement that did NOT contain a clause about the possibility of a higher Canadian dollar vs. a weaker US dollar.

Rats, the Yanks are smart!

No wonder Bush was grinning and joking when the two hugged each other in the White House!
I agree that Harper put the last nail in the BC Interior forest industry. In a few years we will all be saying that his softwood deal for political gain did us more long term harm then the NDP ignoring the pine beetle problem.
"If the producers would get together they could change the market" Simpson says, "they could simply dry up the supply of wood moving across the border thereby sending the price up".

That would represent a prize fixing cartel, much like OPEC which sets production limits/quotas and thereby manages to charge $96 dollars for a barrel of oil which costs less than $12 dollars to pump it out off the ground.

Of course, we all love OPEC, I am sure.

Strange musings from a socialist Forestry Critic.

It is in all likelihood illegal to do this under the Softwood Lumber Agreement of 2006 and Canadian consumers would probably have to pay the same higher prices in the end, because the producers are under no obligation to sell cheaper here and give us a break.





One thing you guys have to relize is that the contractors are getting the same rates they were 30 years ago! I hope every one of these mills go bankrupt how many years did they make billions? People forget about that. And the real killer is not the high dollar it is the fuel it takes to actually log the trees.
One thing you guys have to relize is that the contractors are getting the same rates they were 30 years ago! I hope every one of these mills go bankrupt how many years did they make billions? People forget about that. And the real killer is not the high dollar it is the fuel it takes to actually log the trees.
Naive comment possibly, but why doesn't Canada ship wood out to other countries (not US) using the new Prince Rupert port? If it's possible there are many businesses here in the North that would prosper from it.
The producers will have to find more overseas customers - perhaps they will get busy if the US economy goes into the long-predicted period of prolonged stagnation.

Hey rightwing how many contractors operate when they are losing money?

Yet the mills are 'expected' to?
They have not made money in a while now....

Contractors typically expect 15% return for risk and profit. Most of the risk has been removed.....



"Simpson is just another political opportunist trying to find an issue that he and his party think will get them lot's of attention."

I agree with this comment. It is nothing more, nothing less.

Simpson sounds like he is the last guy to get the joke. Someone told this joke about 12 years ago and he just got the punchline.

So, he predicts that "the sky is falling" or "the end of the world is near" but he doesn't have any proposed solutions, just that "things need to look different".

Sounds like an average productive politician, I'd vote for him.

;-)