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What If There Had Been A Video Camera In the Vanderhoof RCMP Shooting? One Man's Opinion

By Ben Meisner

Saturday, November 24, 2007 05:36 AM

            

The biggest single item to come forward to level the playing field in law and order could very well be the cell-phone camera.

Yet another announcement has been made that a further inquiry will take place into the tasering and  death of Robert Dziekanski. This brings to 8 the number of inquires that will be held into his death.

Can you however imagine if there had been no video of the events leading up to the death of Dziekanski what would have been the result?

The public was told the following morning that Dziekanski had been involved in a struggle, untrue, there had only been three officers involved, wrong again, there were four .

The police said they had kept him on his back as protocol calls for, wrong again. The police had spun the events to a point where it looked like Dziekanski had brought on his own death. Attacked the police leaving them no other option.

Sergeant Pierre Lemaitre of the RCMP PR section was either given a bill of goods or tried to sell the public a bill of goods.

Had it not been for the man who sought to have his video returned, what would the public know today?  We certainly haven’t been given an opportunity to see the video taken by the Airport Authority of Vancouver,  and let’s not kid ourselves, it exists.

That video is in the  hands of  the police as part of their investigation and so the public will have to wait for the inquest, or one of the 7 other probes to get a look at it.

A reader recently sent along a link to a video of a man being stun gunned in the US because he wouldn’t sign a speeding ticket. He also was not read his rights and by the way,   when another  polioce officer arrived on the scene, he was fed a BS story  of the events, and he told his  colleague "good job". 

The video camera attached to a phone will go a long way  to ensure that  all walks of life must act with a little more common sense and great deal more respect.

The RCMP learned in recent weeks that spinning it will not work when the video is staring you in the face. Their argument that a video is just a part of an investigation is not too different than saying the fellow police officer who witnessed the shooting of Kevin St Arnaund in a field in Vanderhoof does not hold as much weight as the evidence of the police officer who pulled the trigger.

If the  old gentleman who witnessed the shooting had been  holding a  "video phone" can you imagine  what  might have happened?  What would the story  have been?

The officer who did the shooting was reassigned to Kamloops, the officer who said her view was quite different , remains on leave, paid leave and has been instructed by the RCMP not to talk to the media.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.  


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If she talks to media her pension will end isn't that right? If I have that wrong then sorry and if it is in fact a fact then wow?
I think troll is trying for a raise????
If she talks to the media after being instructed not to,she could end up getting booted out.
And that would cost her her pension I would think,depending on how long she has been in the force.
I also think they will run her out of the force with her pension just to shut her up.
Her version is different than the other cops sp obviously someone is lying?
And I do not believe it is her,why would she do that?
Where is the damn inquiry?
(even though it will accomplish nothing)?
I've said it before and I say it again - it is time to give the RCMP a really good housecleaning and end their local policing activities. The RCMP should be populated by elite officers only and be a national force, not a local farce as they are today.
Has anyone read the recent articles in the PG Freepress? One is written by a Mr Williams and the other is a backup by the Taser training officer in the RCMP.

Williams walks us through his version of how well the RCMP handled the situation and the training officer tells us how safe the Taser is in actual practice and we have had how many deaths from use of the Taser they dont tell us.
Cheers

Not to defend the RCMP but I don't think that the fact that the officer who witnessed the St. Arnaud shooting is on leave has anything to do with her testimony. She is on voluntary leave because she was elected to political office.
"The poll said almost two-thirds of adult Canadians, or nearly 15 million people, said they had personally seen some of the video. Wright called the number astounding, and said it means there are "15 million alleged video witnesses" who probably will be watching the issue closely in the weeks and months ahead."

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=f70f2772-6d2f-4e56-9c95-b4a83d8dc09c&k=20327

WOW 15 MILLION PEOPLE?
It is claimed tasers don't kill people. Can I have one? I'd only use it at Timmie's if the line is too long. Promise.
"�They can't be treated until they're controlled,� he said. �Taser is the tool that gives us the best option.�

But the term �excited delirium� is not formally recognized by the World Health Organization nor the American Medical Association as an actual psychological or medical condition.

However, the condition is being used increasingly by coroners tasked with attributing causes of death among victims in police custody. David Evans, Ontario's regional supervising coroner for investigations, described it as a �forensic term� not a medical one.

�I think previous to the description of excited delirium, [it] was sometimes called custody death,� he said."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071124.taser-RCMP24/BNStory/National/home
billposer,please feel free to correct this, but I was told by a very good source that this female RCMP witness took extended leave AFTER the St.Arnaud shooting due to stress?
Actually,I have heard this from a couple of different sources, but I can only assume it is right.
Folks I wonder if the police may start going after people with cameras? Be careful out there.
Folks I wonder if the police may start going after people with cameras? Be careful out there.
http://www.cameronward.com/docket/000181.shtml

This next article talks more about what Constable Erickson said on the stand about her partner who fired the shots.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/rcmp/civilian-shooting.html

"RCMP spokesman Cpl. Pierre Lemaitre said the force knew that Sheremetta's version would not fit with the other evidence, but stood by him anyway."
Read the transcripts from the S.t Arnaud case as well as the Ian Bush incident if you haven't already.
One of the things that jump out at the reader is the RCMP's blatant attempts to spin the issues to their own liking,in spite of all other evidence.
Even that of their own members and experts.
The St Arnaud case is by far the worst,even though the Ian Bush mess is also bad.
The way the RCMP tells it,(and Lemaitre seems to be a master at this) the public is stupid and cannot posibly understand or know what they are talking about!
How the hell do they get away with this crap and why do our leaders tolerate it?
I can only conclude that the RCMP is god.
And also I agree with seamutt!
I would be very careful around the RCMP when they are performing their duties if you have a camera in your pocket!

Screw that. Fear is the first step towards the fascist synergies needed to take away all our rights. Cowards aren't what makes a democracy....
Robert Knipstrom passed away today. Pepper sprayed, beaten with baton and tasered a few days ago.
Pro taser dummies claim cops only use the taser as a last resort. BS. See this Utah video of a donut dunker tasering a man in the back, because he wouldn't sign a speeding ticket. The animal even threatens the man's wife - who was sheltering a baby - with arrest after she went to her hubby's aid.

Where is the active resistance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH_qVJfaYZA

I have never seen a pro cop dork who wasn't a pathetic little wimp who lives vicariously through savage slugs. You were bullied as a sniveling youth; as an adult you identify with cop bullies.
Obviously the cop got up pn the wrong side of the bed that day ... or maybe his mother smoked while he was in the car ....
For those who are not aware, the dead Chilliwack man, Robert Knipstrom, was 5 foot 6 and 150 pounds. Cops seen at the scene of the RCMP beating, were all quite large. Yet those Nazis claimed they needed to pepper spray, batter and then taser the little man. However, before there were tasers, cops didn't have a problem arresting people. They use tasers so that they don't have to exert themselves. Cops are lazy, worthless slugs.
Some interesting reading on electricity and lethal shocks..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_shock

"In some cases 16 volts might be fatal to a human being when the electricity passes through organs such as the heart."

-I dont know who they are trying to bullshit when they say a taser that emits 50,000 volts isnt lethal... Doesnt make me feel too secure when people that ignorant are suppost to be protecting us.

PS the guy who got shot by the gestapo in vanderhoof probably was holding a camera..
I know Kevin had a cell phone but if he had it on him that night i'm not sure. Everything happened so fast that night anyway he wouldn't of had time to do anything with it especially with one hand bandaged up the way it was. He hurt himself at work and had stitches in the one hand.
Northman, you have some interesting data there. Just to enlighten everyone, the power, being voltage, is not the killer, it is the current being amperage that is the killer. A 0.06 amp (milliamp) current is generally enough to kill a person. The high voltage is used to deliver the charge through the distance of the probes and overcome the little resistance the human body offers. The M26 delivers 7 sec charge of 3.6 mA if depressed for duration, while allowing 1.8 second breaks lasting a total possible 30 seconds. Now having experienced a few electrical mishaps through work, i'll detail a a shocker for you, maybe you'll feel what a tazer victim goes through. After grounding out on a 347V fluorescent light tube at less than 1 amp, the current passed through one arm to the other, i lose all muscle control, paralyzed as my arms are unable to release from anything, complete numbness throughout the path from my arm to chest to arm. Some pain, albeit not teribble it begins to worsen. Temporarily my brain no longer recognises what is happening, i become very disoriented. The numbness now feels warm, heavier, and feels like rumbling. My chest has become tight and feels like the Hulks' chest tearing open. I am not breathing, my jaw has locked shut, teeth grinding. Panic sets in, and i manage to open circuit by lifting my elbow. Afterwards, i am exhausted, still numb and tingling, can hardly move and am extremely disoriented. My chest is heaving, my heart is racing and i begin to catch my breath. This electrocution lasted at most 2-3 seconds. The same effect caused by CED's, complete immobilization and loss of neuromuscular control. The M26 taser can penetrate its charge 2" deep from the surface tissue. Considering the heart is roughly that distance behind the sternum, this is mighty dangerous. Now in the video it "appears" MR RD is experiencing a long deployment of the charge and not a compliance charge. Nonetheless, i don't condone the use of the taser, but feel it was not neceesary in this instance and more than likely was misused. I still believe that MR RD's death was a result of poor decision making and lack of training, the M26 taser just finished him off.

If you are doubter who maintains that you have been tasered. BS, you might have experienced a momentary compliance charge, i doubt you have risked the full wrath of the M26. If anyone would like to assimulate to this phenomenon, although i recommend against it, please have an ambulance standing by. First get any fuel fossil driven combustible engine. Pull off a spark plug wire, insert finger, and now get someone to start it for you. Go ahead, i dare you.
Uh, no thanks Mr. Pulper! :) I really don't like the idea of the taser being available to all members. I think the ones who earned their way through the years should be equipped with them knowing not to abuse the weapon. Trust. Use only incase of emergency against armed(guns/knives) and dangerous individuals. Really i'd like to see tasers banned but if that won't happen then at least ban them against rookie/untrustworthy officers. Time to get real and lets have a safe/smart/honest holiday season :(
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