Is there no end to the lack of shame and the attitude of entitlement of our national police force?
I am beginning to belive I would rather confront the robber, rapist, murderer , than call the police.
That RCMP officer comes off as a liar which makes it even worse. A murderer one thing but to remain on the Force and have an opportunity to lie for a lifetime to get out of things scares me. Not to mention his buddies that lie for him.

Whatever valerie. Sounds like you got a ticket recently.

I didn't get a ticket recently, but I, too, have similar concerns as the article outlines. A judicial inquiry is needed into RCMP and other police in-custody deaths. If the current litany of killings continues all respect for the police in this country will soon disappear.

Ha ha...good one lmorg. The remark from val is obviously one from a police hater. If she would rather confront the robber, rapist or murderer she obviously doesn't need the police! I wonder how she would make out? Bwahahaw.!

Whatever ammonra, why dont you join up then and make a difference?

Whatever ammonra, why dont you join up then and make a difference?

Kennedy merely coated the E-Division whitewash. Is the RCMP's Hignell more qualified than Slemko? They both took the 40 day Forensic Identification
Training Course, at the Canadian Police College. Slemko held the title of Bloodstain Pattern Analyst for 15 years. And it requires a 4 year internship to claim specialization status. Further, Slemko's resume reveals that he took further training than required. Slemko has 15 years of experience in forensics, and was invited to participate in the trade's website,

http://www.forensics.ca/phpcode/web/links.php

Hignell is a minor leaguer in comparison.

However, it has to be said, bloodspatter evidence isn't rocket science. Serology evidence is contracted out to research scientists. CPC credentials - aped by BC's Justice Institute - can't possibly require more than a couple of day's training in the following,

[url]http://www.bloodspatter.com/BPATutorial.htm

Ben Meisner should know that Slemko headlines his website with one of Ben's comments.

http://www.bloodspatter.com/

For me, the worst part of the Kennedy whitewash, is that he - and he is an ex prosecutor - butchers the Obstruction law. He would be well aware that cops consult Carswell's pocket, "Police Officers Manual" for knowledge of the elements of crimes. He knows that Obstruction requires a clear intention and present ability to defeat justice. He knows that even slightly intoxicated persons who obstructed cops, have been acquited based on diminished capacity. He knows that Woroshelo ADMITTED to knowing Bush personally, so the Obstruction by omission to pass ID was moot. That is why Woroshelo-Koester had no intention of pursuing that phony charge. That is why Koester - et al - came up with the I-forgot-my-ticket-book BS. So another cop couldn't give the ticket? So Bush had to be taken to the station by Woroshelo, who returned to the arena to savagely berate a security guard for open liquor control act violations in the parking lot? What the hell was the point of the arrest, when Bush had a record of paying off tickets?

How come I wasn't asked to sign the Promise to Appear, when I given provincial offences tickets by cops? Because they can only compel affirmation, where there is reason to believe that the person may omit to appear. If Woroshelo didn't inform Koester that Bush has a record of voluntary appearances, Koester himself admits to having conducted the CPiC database research that would have recorded FTA offences. None existed.

Kennedy is loathsome, and his report is police garbage in/ex-prosecutor garbage out. I am writing my federal MP about that sack of S%$#.

http://www.bloodspatter.com/News.htm

I feel so sorry for the families involved.
I wonder though if any answer would satisfy fully?
I can only hope that some sort of peace will surround all the families involved, soon.

Truth, a Promise to appear is not found in a ticket book...like a violation ticket book used to issue provincial infractions.

PTA's are legal release documents under the Criminal Code and are usually kept at detachments where accused persons are taken to be processed after arrest (court date, date to appear for identification of criminals act etc)

Did you see the pic of Koester inthe Citizen? You saying he wasn't assaulted or engaged in some kind of struggle? Or are you going to say the rcmp committed another conspiracy and put makeup on him?

diggler funny you mention that pic. as I just finished studying it. Looks to me Ian was fighting for his life after Koester lost it mentally. Look at Koesters eye (Koester not Koestler like Kennedy kept calling him on the 11:00 news last night. He didnt' even have enough decency to get his name right. That's what happens when you try so hard to keep up a lie...things don't add up but at least get the name right.) Koester's eye looks to me to have Ian's nail prints left behind. Who beats up an officer using his finger nails? Someone who is trying to fight for his life. Were Ian's nails examined in the autopsy?

You have a warped view of reality heidi. How you come to those conclusions looking at that picture is beyond me. Your sense of outrage towards the police in general clouds your objectivity.

That's all you have for me? Way to beat around the problem. You feel threatened by my opinion obviously or you wouldn't bash me. Now can you go and check to see if his fingernails were examined and if so and nothing was found then i'll try to figure out what else in a struggle could make those marks that an ambulance attendant didnt find to be life threatening.

Oh heidi...why would I be threatened by your opinion? Actually I didn;t realise that you had a degree or training in advanced forensic research, or why the bush family didn't contact you to give evidence at the hearings.

All that and working for the national enquirer too! Jeese you must be a busy woman!

Heh heh...another person who watches too much CIS Miami, las vegas or new york. They're all experts!

stuck on desk duty again I see. What made those marks then on Koester's eye? Zoom into the pic. 200% like I did and have a boo and see what impression you get. That was my impression of the pic.

Nope. on days off. Sheesh do you not think that the ident examined these photos?

Now if someone is trying to choke you out or your in a knock down drag out fight, its quite reasonable in this case that Ian Bush's fingernail impressions would be on Koster's face. You've just given more ammunition for the justification of the use of lethal force!

Yes, dgdig, I checked out the photo and it certainly looks like Ian Bush attacked Koester. I can see how Bush's fingernails raked across Koster's face as he was trying to choke him out to death.

Hey Imorg, dgdiggler how come Slemko's evidence was discounted? Hey what about that one on one behind closed doors between Koester and Woroshelo ? When you listen to the panicked radio call from Koester it sounds like the voice of someone who screwed up. Also whats wrong with civilian oversite anyhow? If civilian oversite is ever instigated it probably will be made up of retired cops anyhow.

Imorg,while it may have in fact have been Bush's finger nails that scratched up Koesters face,we have no way of knowing who attacked who, do we?
You are only assuming that is what happened.
Therein lies the problem with this case in general.
There has been far too much assumption on both sides.
What it actually comes down to,is SOMEBODY is lying.
The question is who and why,and sorry,but the Public Complaints Commission did NOT answer that.

I really don't get how a kid who was arrested over an open beer would get to the point of trying to kill a cop (If you belive the finding of this commisioner.)

If the findings about the attack are true, what the hell did that cop do to Ian that would cause a murdurous rage?

This whole thing smells of rot......

Do these cops all go to a course to cover for each other and be so closed-minded to anybody else's opinion. These two sound completely brainwashed.

The most crucial evidence is missing: the video evidence.

There will never be a totally believable accounting of this unfortunate event.

The day after this happened I would have expected all police to refuse taking (acting alone or otherwise) anybody into custody and into a holding room that did not have tamper proof working video recording equipment at all times.

How easily this officer's account could have been verified by the playing back of the video recording of the arrest and attempted booking.

Sad. I have no choice except to view the entire episode as an unsolved mystery.

That gives me an uneasy feeling when I see uniformed law enforcement people.

Sorry, can't help it.

"The report makes 9 recommendations including physical changes to detachments, and the installation of closed circuit television systems."

CCTV systems were installed in that detachment over 5 years ago in the holding cells as they were right accross the province in small police stations like the one in Houston.

I thought that we heard that the system was there but was not turned on, although that could be my misunderstanding.

Why, if the coroner believed that the person was justified in using force to that extent, would a TV have made a difference? Even the case of the taser use at YVR was taped, but the police who fired the taser could still believe he was in danger of his life since the individual had a deadly office stapler in his hands. TV or no TV, it does not remove the subjective statement that the police guy felt his life was about to be taken.

Just think, tomorrow you might be stopped for a ticket the and fellow in uniform coming up on you from behind might fear for his life and put a bullet in the back of your head too.

If feeling fear for one's life is all it takes, we need no witnesses, no cameras ... the tool of verification now becomes a lie detector test... after all, he has nothing to fear in taking it if he is telling the truth, does he? Or so the police say, anyway.

;-)

Hey seamutt, it says in the report why slemko's evidence was discounted. It goes into a lot of detail as to why.

As for the trainer going behind a locked door to see Koester, the commission said that it was improper. I doubt very much it was for them to cook up an elaborate scheme in such a short period of time. More like one friend going to make sure the other is ok.

If they or you wish civilian oversight, that's fine..as long as they are trained correctly to do the job.

And, Andyfreeze, I am very glad you made that statement about me assuming who did what...because I made it as a point to show that the naysayers have been doing the same thing all along. After reading some of Heidi's posts, I figured I'd get into the metaphysical side of thought too but from the other point of view just to see what the reaction would be.

It's bad what happened. If Koester was in the cell area with Bush, then he shouldn't have had his sidearm with him. It should have been locked up. And, I feel that whenever you have a prisoner you are dealing with, there should always be other personell around - it just makes sense that way. But things happened the way they did and Koester could have just as easily been the one killed too.

And for Jimmi: Bush was not arrested for the liquor act offense, he was arrested for obstruction a criminial code offense by providing the false names to Koester.

Bush had a rep for being in a lot of fights and I would presume this was because of the effects of getting drunk and acting out with the boys. I think its very plausible that he freaked out on Koester when he finally realised he was looking at a criminal code charge instead of a liquor ticket.

You people need to get a job instead of sitting on your couch complaining about decisions made in a couple of seconds. Maybe you whiners should phone the 911 operators and volunteer your time to go out and arrest these violent people so the cops can sit in the donut shops. Or maybe you can join the military and go to Afganistan and make the world a better place. The Bush sister is never going to be "happy"....how can she be? Her young brother was killed. Maybe the family needs to look at themselves and explain why her brother thought it was okay to be drunk at a sporting event, carry open beer, lie to the police and then fight with the police ? Perhaps there was some upbringing issues there? You whiners will never be happy and continue to get your 15 minutes of fame. Get to work or move to Turkey, China, or Columbia.

I like sensible's post.

Owl, the video evidence from Vancouver airport made a huge difference in public awareness compared to the initial information released by the RCMP.

A video from Houston would have gone a long ways to either support or discredit the version given by the RCMP.

None of the behaviour of Ian Bush ("to be drunk at a sporting event, carry open beer, lie to the police and then fight with the police")is an excuse for a deadly outcome.

No, since we are NOT living in a police state yet and still can freely express our opinions (some smarta..es call that whining) I am not going to move to Turkey, China, Colombia or the USA just yet.

To dgdiggler: I am 64 so I can't sign up, but why would I anyway.

Snide remarks attacking people who make valid points that you are unable to deal with just shows the completely bankrupt nature of your opinions. Your only response in one of the most important issues being dealt with by BC today, is to attack the person exercising their free speech rights and making perfectly appropriate and valid points.

Your weapon of choice can only be described as a completely ignorant and childish attempt to shut them up by using puerile little putdowns. Perhaps you should consider waiting until you are out of diapers before making any more of your intellectual comments.

No more will I think that only James Bond a.k.a. 007 has the only licence to kill.

Rubber man lives!!!, at least according to Kennedy.

Well said Ammonra. The two meet at Hortons and Imorg pays for the coffee so that dgdiggler will support his views as he has none of his own. Just drivelling along.

We waited years and payed copius dollars for a commission report that essentialy proves and solves nothing. The detachment had video surveillance did it not? Was it off, or not? A well timed and suited report in light of the many tragic events that have taken place since.

I would have offered recommendation 10. Abolish the archaic liquor in a public place law. The law serves no premise other than collect fees for government coffers. Like many others smuggling liquor to a game or concert, you also have the option to swill at the beer garden, or arrive drunk as it were. Ian Bush may have been drunk, although Imorg claims he was arrested for Obstruction. A BS charge at best, regardless of what prompted Koester to pursue the matter any further. He could have dumped the offensive beverage and called it a job well done. Seems Koester made a poor decision and escalated a trivial moment to his liking and ego-mania.
I'm sure with a more senior officer at reign in the situation, Mr. Bush would still be around enjoying his young manhood, doing what young men do.

Now, others are callous enough to blame this on his family. Well some of us saints, grew up much like Ian did, small town stuff, it hardly has anything to do how you were raised. What do you think your Angelic church raised, oppressed children do when they leave the santicty of their moral fortress? Trust me, you don't want to know. Yet another cowardly statement by insensible, naive people.

Some of you are quick to disembark on self righteous virtue and obviously don't see the world in the same light. Casting portraits of people to be venomous, perhaps because you may or may not be from the same mold. Disillusioned by your own moral fiber.

Drunks,drug addicts and anyone showing signs of EDS should be shot, if they don't comply? I understand their way of life and behaviors, yet i dont't discriminate because their addictions don't coincide with mine or for that matter all of yours. Some of the most offensive and assinine persons are sober. Yet we don't arrest them.

Imorg, you have one opinion, that being your own. That is your right. Some of us however, don't share your enthusiasm towards your "ME" attitude. Obviously you don't play well with others. Now , it has been rumored that you may be with the police department. Active or not, your one sided judgemental bias makes you one scary cop. Surely an insight into the mindset of current RCMP actions and policy. Is this the standard role model we should be utilizing in training new young recruits? We can expect more fatalies by the RCMP, with rookie officers arresting persons of their peer age group and those not wanting to be arrested by children. Heres an issue that needs to be considered.

Finally, two people were in the detachment at the fatal time. Stop insinuating what may have occurred. Guessing helps noone.

dgdiggler was right all along......
so is sensible.
I think his/her postings offer up a viewpoint to counterbalance all the ones from the opposite side. So, ammonra, before you volley off any shots, make sure your powder is dry.

pisspuller wrong.. I heard that dgdiggler works for CSIS.

Pisspuller: "We can expect more fatalies by the RCMP, with rookie officers arresting persons of their peer age group and those not wanting to be arrested by children. Heres an issue that needs to be considered."

Absolutely ridiculous!
See you at Tim's if you have the guts.

If dgdiggler works for CSIS, we have reasons for concern, as he obviously doesn't portray himself as a person with any reasonable level of intelligence or self thought.

As for your disdain towards the aforementioned statement, it seems fair and reasonable, I only state it as an issue that should be studied and perhaps policy set in place for the protection of both parties.

Now your last line i find somewhat bothersome. What exactly are you implying? Now, if you were an officer of the law, that comment only serves to prove the condition of your mental stability. You are very reactionary to a little discord, yet seem to have no issue frothing it unto others. Not to mention you still have a minor deficiency in the reading department.

Now Timmies seems like an excellent offer, but with the cost of fuel, I disheartedly decline. You said nothing about "this ones on me". I have "guts", some would say just a hair over average, so no donuts thanks. Now if you weren't buying, you'd have to compromise and meet me halfway. Therefore you wouldn't have any trigger happy help and we wouldn't have witnesses. That would serve us both well, wouldn't you agree? So i'd offer a private setting amongst the mountain pine beetle groves for a gut-check rendezvous!!

If dgdiggler works for CSIS, we have reasons for concern, as he obviously doesn't portray himself as a person with any reasonable level of intelligence or self thought.

As for your disdain towards the aforementioned statement, it seems fair and reasonable, I only state it as an issue that should be studied and perhaps policy set in place for the protection of both parties.

Now your last line i find somewhat bothersome. What exactly are you implying? Now, if you were an officer of the law, that comment only serves to prove the condition of your mental stability. You are very reactionary to a little discord, yet seem to have no issue frothing it unto others. Not to mention you still have a minor deficiency in the reading department.

Now Timmies seems like an excellent offer, but with the cost of fuel, I disheartedly decline. You said nothing about "this ones on me". I have "guts", some would say just a hair over average, so no donuts thanks. Now if you weren't buying, you'd have to compromise and meet me halfway. Therefore you wouldn't have any trigger happy help and we wouldn't have witnesses. That would serve us both well, wouldn't you agree? So i'd offer a private setting amongst the mountain pine beetle groves for a gut-check rendezvous!!

Sorry about the double.

Well PP, if you think you could do the job that police do, then sign up! There's no more mandatory retirement! OR, sign up for a ride a long....see what really goes on!

I'd say YOUR last sentence was indicative of mental instability as my reference to Tim's meant come on down and discuss it.

To ammonra:
So now you don't like the cops or the military. Enjoy your Canada Pension cheque next year old man...the cops helped keep you safe long enough to collect it and the military kept you free to enjoy it. I was complaining about the whiners like you that don't know how good we have it in this country and I now dub you King Whiner ! The cops and the military are the reason you have freedom of speach and can whine. So enjoy your Canada Pension cheque next year that the tax payers of this great country will pay you. I discarded more brains in my diapers than you will ever have between your ears. You don't even know how to spell your name....it should be Moron ! You think this is the most important issue in BC right now ???? You need to get a life and read more than the garbage being printed here Moron. Most people are more concerned about the score of the next Canucks game. You probably whined about your teachers too....what next? Firemen, doctors, our Veterans. If you don't want to stand behind the cops and military maybe you should stand in front of them when they are fighting for you.....take a punch or two Moron !

See this is exactly what I was talking about when I posted that article about a woman who went on the streets and talked honestly with RCMP members "off record". They revealed some dirt and what makes their jobs harder from the inside. Stress and how they cope and so on. Also, when I mentioned mental training needs another look I meant it and these comments prove it. If the RCMP were smart they would take away your computer rights. The stuff RCMP members see and go through including harrassment from senior members or what have you is something I can't even imagine yet instead of acting out on others who voice ideas why not get some help? Nobody has to know, not even your wives. This built up anger and hostility will lead you down the wrong destiny road. Start changing your thoughts and you'll see life differently. Honestly it really is sad to see you guys who are supposed to be professional, full of integrity and whatever else the RCMP homepage says you all are act this way. Change it before you are the next Koester. Ask him if he's happy. His choices probably just took 20 years off of his life at least.

Imorg, I have never charged that the RCMP or VCP of this province don't do a difficult and frustrating job. Regardless of my points of view and minor criticisms, althought I feel most of my points might have some validity, you'd be hard pressed to find any statements where my intention is to berate the RCMP. I have respect for the complicated nature of police work, and the daily stesses and struggles that go with it. And no thank you, I wouldn't sign on for law enforcement. The pay is not worth the headache, and being mentally instable might create a hurdle. I understand your need to be supportive and defensive of the comrades, sometimes though, admission to mistakes lead to answers and constructive collaboration into finding a resolve. Not like the findings of the Commission.

Oh and ammonra if the pension doesn't work out for some strange reason, my door is open. Pisspulper an excellent post by you.

Good post PP, and that is exactly the problem.
They hide their own dirt and cover for those who are not good at being cops!
Fortunately not all cops are bad,some are very good at what they do and the ones who are not,like Koester for example,make all the rest look bad!

To Sensible: Where the hell did you get the stupid rubbish that I don't like the police or the military? Do not take ignorant assumptions from your mind and say they are my beliefs. They are not.

For the record, and as I have posted here several times before, I believe that most RCMP and other police officers do a good job, and generally deserve our support.

So do the Military. I respect their commitment to Canada and thank them for it. It is the politicians who put them in harms way for political arse kissing reasons whom I criticise, not our armed forces.

I take your designation of me as "King Whiner" to be a great compliment. If your attitude towards democratic free speech is an example of what you think needs protecting in Canada, then thank God there are people like me to tell you to where to shove it.

As you said, you have "discarded more brains in my diapers than you will ever have between your ears". I believe you, sir, as it is quite obvious that you have shit for brains.

OH c'mon. None of you really know who Koester really is or what kind of a person he is. Until this happened you never knew he existed. Who is he? He is a person trying to make a better life for himself and his family, maybe he coaches kids in his new community....his good friends, and family, people he went to school with or grew up with really know what kind of a person he is. I would bet he wished he called in sick that fatefull day. He was doing his job that day and things went to hell in a split second.

What a bunch of drivel. I've seen more intelligent arguments in an elementary school playground.

Video in Houston ?

What does it matter ? We have video in YVR and they are still telling us a narrative that doesn't match what we are seeing.

Doesn't that spell it all out for you guys ?

Do you need a report from a Royal Commission, affirming that, "Yes, you have been lied to repeatedly." ???

lmorg and dgdiggler, Canada's finest recruited straight out of a prairie gas station, and they are here to reveal to you just how immature, uneducated, and unintelligent some members really are.

Here they are, defending Canada's national police force in fine form. Their assinine and childish comments making all other members look like twits of the same feather. These are the kind of people some of us have to work with and support.

That's why you can't keep good people in the force. They are all looking for a way out. The ones you get stuck with are the ones that didn't make it out with an Amway distributorship.

Now, you know why they have "spokespeople" and prohibit other members from talking to the media. They might open their mouth, and something really dumb might come out.

These two half-wits do nothing to improve the image of the force whatsoever. Luckily, I don't have to work with them any more and listen to their mindless bantering and self-worship.

And who, or what the hell are you, reasonableman? Boy are you ever wrong.

Moron..you make me laugh. Can't find your thesaurus today? A little bit of anger has reduced you to swearing and vulgarity. Good thing you don't have a tazor or M16, but I guess you are human afterall. Don't imagine you ever wore a uniform to defend this country as you would never have made it to 64. Enjoy your first cheque next year, but maybe it won't be your first free money from the government you so flagrantly despise. You can move to Turkey, China, or Columbia and still collect you know ? Write what you want King Whiner, I'll let you have the last word.

I'm glad you enjoyed my sense of humour, and here's the last word.

What's the condition known as a "dispassionate fugue state", and what is its relationship to deaths caused by police?

Wannabe Nazis pretend to have read the Kennedy whitewash. BS. Assuming they have adult levels of comprehension, had they read it they would learn that there was only 2 minutes and 8 seconds between the time when Koester hung up the phone, then supposedly explained Bush's non-existent obligation to sign a Promise To Appear (not legally applicable in the provinces - BC, New Brunswick and Quebec - where cops cannot register a charge), heard a nominal [/url]Bush' threat to punch him in the face, took 4 punches from Bush, took a clownish headlock "choke," smashed Bush on the head 3 times with his service revolver (which didn't cause Bush to use his free hand to deal with the weapon), turn into a side show contortionist and shoot Bush in the Back of the head, and then pick up the transmitter, wait for the dispatcher, and then issue a report that said nothing of the shooting. Seconds later - probably after doing some coverup thinking, he reported a 10-33, without giving details. F#$% anyone who believes that s@#$.

TWO MINUTES AND EIGHT SECONDS, A__HOLES

In Kennedy's hagiographic de-regurgitation of Bent' vomit, he praises lead officer Woroshelo for his post shooting conduct. Again, all in a verifiable 2 minutes and 8 seconds, what likely happened? Bush had asked the dispatcher to "standby" viz a ongoing incident, and used punitive force against Bush in punishment for the humiliation that he caused, by teasing the sensitive young cop. Being 4 inches taller, and trained in use of force, Koester thought he could get away with it, as do most cops who use excessive force. He would beat up the smaller man, and then push him outside; if he resisted lawfully, then he would arrest him for assault against a peace officer. Only Bush exercised right of self defence. Note - it is lawful to resist unlawful cop violence.

http://www.provincialcourt.bc.ca/judgments/pc/2002/05/p02_0585.htm

Did Bush fly into a homicidal rage? He faced only a small fine; and Kennedy knows that Koester knows that the Obstruction charge was held out for intimidation purposes. He complied with handcuffing, which is the flash point for non PC ("passive and compliant") conduct. There were no pharmalogical-psychological-motivational factors that would induce the anger that would lead to murder. Again, the time frame manifests certain quick use of the service revolver.

Was Koester choked? He was able to express himself in a call, in what would have to have been seconds after the shooting. Even if the one-arm around the neck claim was true, then Koester would have to have been choked by a forearm. Forensic cartoonists concocted an exculpatory fiction that Bush had the time and ability to start a fatal choke, and effected same by using his head against Koester's neck, with the forearm causing loss of breath. That would be laughable, if the result wasn't tragic. However, Justice Institute prescribes training in the ease of breaking two hand, prehensile (hands and fingers) choke attempts. Trainees are told to thrust elbows against the forearms of the choker. Kennedy and Koester both know that even if the fiction was true, the so-called "choke hold" would have been easily broken. Supposedly, Koester used his revolver as a blunt instrument in context of nominal Bush aggression. The totality of the circumstances suggests that Koester had abusively dismissed Bush from the Detachment, and Bush defended himself by using his fists; the larger man then pistol whipped him with his service revolver, and when he was prostrate on the couch, shot him in the back of the head. Slemko had no problem with the placement of the debilitated man on the couch, but gave the expert opinion that the blood spatter evidence - while disturbed by movement - suggested that Koester was above the target. Koester then smeared blood on himself in a way that would make a COP-CODE bound forensic doormat use same as ersatz proof that the cop was on the bottom, and acted out Indian Rubber Man fantasies, while Bush kept up the one-armed "choke" hold. Again, Koester refused to actuate his fiction, for the obvious motive: it would be inculpatory.

Was Koester motivated by COP-RAGE? Kennedy concocted an unlawful colourization of the lead officer, Darren Woroshelo, as a saint who was right to spend 5 minutes alone with his fellow cop to exhonerate him, pre investigation, by telling him that he "did the right thing."? Kennedy bought Saint Woroshelo snakeoil that Koester "executes his duties in a fair, confident and professional manner" and that Constable Koester "exercises great patience when dealing with [the] public." Nevermind that police occupational culture, with its usurpatious codes of silence, loyalty and retaliation, conduces subversion of the rule of law. Professor Richard Ericson found that cops assign said culture a paramount role, and that imperatives that arise from same designates criminal codes as a "auxiliary resource." Note - the work product of the average Canadian cop is: 1 convicted person per month; 1 incarcerated person per year; 1 arrest per 20 substantiable crime complaints. Vancouver cops take 12 minutes to arrive at a Major Crime scene, then take a further 5 minutes assessing CORNET data on complainants, informants, suspects, address history. Cops do not provide a protective service.

Referring to the opinion250 coverage of the coroner process, there is no doubt that Saint Woroshelo was furious at the challenge to perceived cop authority, by those who drank openly. The Loyalty-Code would have engaged Koester, and induced COP-RAGE. Opinion250 reporters wrote,

http://www.opinion250.com/blog/view/6403/1/koester+took+time++to+make+statement+on+shooting+of+ian+bush?id=143&st=20

Part 2 I wasn't aware of limitations of post size

Part 2 angle brackets - and what's between - won't post.

-----At the same time, Coroner Shane DeMeyer said he would not allow the security officer at the Houston arena to appear and give her testimony as to the demeanor of Constable Darren Woroshelo the night of the shooting.

Woroshelo was Koester’s senior officer.

The security chief of the Houston arena has said that Woroshelo came into the arena the night of the shooting all red, with his neck bulging at the collar .She says that he yelled at her to a point where she found it necessary to take the next morning off from work.

The Coroner said that he believed her evidence would be of little value to the jury.---------

Be aware that a definitive statement on COP-RAGE same was issued by the late Justice James J Kolts, in his
commission report into excessive force at the Los Angeles Police Dept. Cease the denial.

See report on excessive force in the Los Angeles Sherriffs Dept, as written by late Justice James J Kolts. Cop-Rage is identified:
www.parc.info/special_independent_commissions

At pg 319, "This is not a story of a bungled arrest...it is the same attitude that caused another deputy to fly into a rage and crush the testicle of a man who had the temerity to call the deputy 'fat' and suggest he 'get a real job'"...It is the same attitude that caused a sergeant to order deputies to spray Mace on an inmate who had the audacity not to face the sergeant when spoken to. As a highly placed LASD officer said, 'Anger not fear is the number one cause of excessive force. It is rage in defiance of authority.' This is the worst aspect of police culture, where the worst crime of all is 'CONTEMPT OF COP'; the deputy cannot let pass the slightest challenge or failure to immediately comply. It is here that excessive force starts and needs to be stopped."

TWO MINUTES AND EIGHT SECONDS, A__HOLES

Hey Truth when I went to Kevin's inquest in January of this year in Vanderhoof it got me really thinking when I got home so I googled "police brutality" and found this lady in California who later offered to do a myspace page for Kevin but I chose to do it myself. Her son was shot and killed by police. She is an amazingly beautiful woman. Anyway, linked to her page is an amazing man that I think if you haven't read about him already might want to.
www.b-cap.org
I love how he is out there making a difference. He knows both sides and just wants the truth like Joe Slemko. We need more men as well as women like these two to influence the young/new members of the RCMP and the communities they serve. Learn how to work together and not against each other.

I just got off of Joe Slemko's site and read Koester's statement again. Funny how he says after every detail he gave he ended the sentence by saying,"but I don't remember." or "I cannot remember if...." Yet in same time frame he says that he remembers thinking about his wife Tammy and his parents and at the end he can't remember pulling the gun out but he must've and he remembers thinking that he has to pull the trigger or he'll die. He also remembers before the gun was out turning his head to the left so he could tell Ian that the fights over blah blah. He remembers Bush's grip loosening after he shot him and before almost blacking out. How can he remember his head turning to the left for one thing. Such a minor detail to remember before you think you're going to die. How can one say something that happened then end the sentence with "but I don't remember." Wouldn't the person just plain out say, "I don't/can't remember what happened." Poorly written script if I remember right.

Heidi, how the hell are you able to judge what was in the mind of someone during a violent struggle? Have you ever been in any sort of violent altercation? Why don't you "Google" some websites regarding memory recall and get some pertinent information on the subject?

Truth. Thank god people like you have zero effect on anything in society.

Yes I have troll.

Heidi:

What do you think happened in that 2 minutes and 8 seconds? By law, controversies of fact MUST be put before a jury. Kennedy and the entire apparatus of justice system officials are breaking the law.

As for the one-armed choke hold: imagine you have one arm around a struggling subject's head, and he strikes you 3 times in the head with a revolver. Would you not be concerned about potential use of the weapon? Would you not use your free arm to do something abour the gun? The Koester SPIN is that Bush continued to choke, until he was shot in the head. That is ludicrous. And there is also the issue of the ease in breaking that hold, and the fact that training in same is mandatory.

As for the request for an affirmation on a Promise to Appear form; I have confirmed that these are not applicable where cops are prohibited from registering charges. A BC cop has a power to arrest - as does any citizen - and hold someone in custody until Crown Counsel acts on their charge recommendation, based on a "Report to Crown Counsel." I have written my federal MP, to ask the Minister of Justice to probe Kennedy's cop-centrism.

Big media regularly covers up police crime and misconduct; however, Polish officials will be coming to Canada soon to investigate the YVR atrocity. If they have cause to report that case-fixing is endemic to BC, then there could be Olympic boycotts.

I know it's crazy isn't it how he could fit so many blah blah blah "..... but I don't remember."'s in 2 min. and 8 secs. :)
Yes to breaking the law. I wonder when they made it ok in their minds to think they are above and better than the rest of Canada. That lives don't matter. That the oath they all took means nothing??? Pretty sad we have to wait for certain politicians/crooked members of whoever to pass away in order to get them out of their job!
Olympics, I know i've been reading posts from the States and there actually was one from India which amazed me with the Robert D. case all saying they wouldn't travel to Canada. Anyway, my brain hurts so you have a good night and take care.

Nice non-answer Heidi. You and the "Truth" make quite the team.

Heidi:

What do you think happened in that 2 minutes and 8 seconds? By law, controversies of fact MUST be put before a jury. Kennedy and the entire apparatus of justice system officials are breaking the law.

As for the one-armed choke hold: imagine you have one arm around a struggling subject's head, and he strikes you 3 times in the head with a revolver. Would you not be concerned about potential use of the weapon? Would you not use your free arm to do something abour the gun? The Koester SPIN is that Bush continued to choke, until he was shot in the head. That is ludicrous. And there is also the issue of the ease in breaking that hold, and the fact that training in same is mandatory.

As for the request for an affirmation on a Promise to Appear form; I have confirmed that these are not applicable where cops are prohibited from registering charges. A BC cop has a power to arrest - as does any citizen - and hold someone in custody until Crown Counsel acts on their charge recommendation, based on a "Report to Crown Counsel." I have written my federal MP, to ask the Minister of Justice to probe Kennedy's cop-centrism.

Big media regularly covers up police crime and misconduct; however, Polish officials will be coming to Canada soon to investigate the YVR atrocity. If they have cause to report that case-fixing is endemic to BC, then there could be Olympic boycotts.

If you sit at the computer and read as much as you can on this farce,something starts to smell funny.
Make a list of all the UN-answered questions as opposed the the questions that WERE answered...
Guess which list is much longer?
The problem is,these questions will NEVER be answered because BUSH is DEAD and I am sure there are those who don't want many of them answered.
ALL we will ever have is Koesters version of what went down and it is a very shakey version at best.
And so was his attitude and that of the RCMP during the inquest.
BIG mistakes were made by many and that should NOT be simply let go.
When I listen to Koester on the radio call for help,he does NOT sound like someone who could handle stressful situations worth a damn, inspite of the fact that he had just shot someone in the back of the head.
Which by the way,is one of the biggest issues because it does seem impossible to do, and there are those who damn well know that!
Some people are just not good at what they do and for the RCMP to keep him on the force, is just plain stupid.
That is where the damage is REALLY being done to public confidence.
Get Koester off the force and the problem will start to mend itself over time.
And this is not the end of the issue either,it is actually the begining,because it can and will happen again!

"As for the request for an affirmation on a Promise to Appear form; I have confirmed that these are not applicable where cops are prohibited from registering charges. A BC cop has a power to arrest - as does any citizen - and hold someone in custody until Crown Counsel acts on their charge recommendation, based on a "Report to Crown Counsel." I have written my federal MP, to ask the Minister of Justice to probe Kennedy's cop-centrism." - Truth: Dec 2, 12:04am.

Police, on a routine basis issue Appearance Notices, Promise to Appears, and Undertakings given to or before an Officer in Charge; as part of the initial part of due process within the Canadian Judiciary process (criminal code division). It's legal, and is upheld and enforced by the Courts which is one of the reasons why warrants are issued for individuals who fail to appear after being released on these documents. It's a well known fact that police in BC recommend charges and Crown approves them. So one doesn't know what you're getting at in your post.

I doubt your MP will either.

Andy, even more of a farce was the St. Arnaud case.

THE GUY'S PARTNER COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED HIM ! (and she was right there)

Good lord, how much simpler does it get ?

Until there is just and proper conduct within the system, there can be no perception of such.

You can't tell people they are not seeing something that they are looking right at.

Yes, Kevin St. Arnaud's case.... I was told he had no boots/shoes on his feet while he lay there in the field. If this is true what happened to them? Do you know of this thereasonableman?

Truth.

I don't think Truth=Justice. I think Truth= A. Cameron Ward. Who else can it be with all the legal mumble jumble, but a lawyer ? I know nothing about Mr. Ward so I went to his website. His list of clients is admirable as they probably need representation, but unfortunately for them, he is just smoke and mirrors. Mr. Ward has yet to learn that the loudest person is not heard, but ignored. Swearing and yelling between the lines may be tolerated in this forum, encouraged by the media, but ignored and chastised in professional forums. Seems Mr. Ward has had his own problems with the law and legal system as he boastfully claims to be a plaintiff against the Vancouver City Police for having been strip searched and his vehicle impounded. All these years I thought lawyers were motivated by money. Seems vengeance can now be added to the list of a lawyers motivation ! $10,000 is hardly a great victory against the Vancouver City Police and I would suggest it is merely 'go away money', cheaper to pay than fight. As Troll so aptly wrote "Thank god people like you have zero effect on anything in society."

Hello Zinger. For the most part I would agree with what you have said with the exception of truth being cameron ward. Even a first year law student would know that a Promise to Appear is a valid legal document in British Columbia.

In his post, truth also states the following:

"As for the one-armed choke hold: imagine you have one arm around a struggling subject's head, and he strikes you 3 times in the head with a revolver. Would you not be concerned about potential use of the weapon? Would you not use your free arm to do something abour the gun?"

To Mr. Truth's post all I can say is yes, you are imagining. My experience in dealing with homidcide cases which were subsequently deemed manslaughter is that in the heat of battle..hot blood as the term goes, the thoughts that truth depicts do not happen: on the aggressor's part. There is just the blind rage which acts as an analgesic to any type of pain being inflicted by the person trying to defend themselves. There may not be any thought process going on with the exception of the rage to kill.

So if Mr. Bush was in a state of "hot blood" attacking Cst. Koester, the arguement exists as to whether he would have even felt the defensive strikes to his head by the gun.

"There may not be any thought process going on with the exception of the rage to kill."
So that's why Koester is full of "don't remembers." Interesting!

"I also considered becoming a cop a long time ago. Many of my friends and acquaintances are in the RCMP and a few other police forces. I also have friends and relatives that work in intelligence.

The negative comments, distrust, and disrespect they have for the VPD is very high. I didn't used to believe what they were telling me until my own bad experiences. I also heard from good people that felt victimized by VPD.

I definitely do respect the many hardworking honest policemen and women who do their best to truly serve and protect. I am told by the people I know in law enforcement and intelligence that at least 20% of those in this line of work become corrupted, in Vancouver the percentage is off the scale.

Another friends father worked for the RCMP in internal investigations of other officers. He is now retired and has had to take on another identity in another country because of threats to his life by corrupt cops. He was a really really nice guy.

Anyhow the point of the thread was to stimulate discussion about over 70 preventable deaths in Vancouver that never should have happened. I think of that Polish guy coming here to start a new life and now he's dead.

That is not acceptable to me."

Comment from a poster in the "police blunders and coverups" site.

Ms heidi: I was referring to Mr. Bush's state of mind. Why you would take my comments and place them out of context with Cst. Koester's state of mind?

Cst. Koester on the other hand is exhibiting a classic form of PTSD where the mind protects itself after a particularly dangerous incident. It is a natural defense mechanism.

You must be carefull when referring to posters on sites that purportedly expose police coverups. Many are loaded with urban myths that are designed to stir up resentment such as the kind you describe. Usually its from people with some kind of agenda or an axe to grind.

A PTA is of less authority than a decision by a Provincial Court judge that comes out of a process hearing under Section 507 CCC. Anyone can participate in same by swearing an information before a JP, informing Crown Counsel of intent, and pleading before a judge or Judicial JP, towards causing the judge to believe that the other party committed a crime. Should a judge so find, that person - as in the case of the PTA issuance - is called before a judge to answer the complaint. At any time, Crown Counsel can halt the process. They can also allow the accused to provide a defence. Should prosecutors not intervene, the judge will register a charge with the Registry. No police officer in BC has authority to register a charge.

Cameron Ward? I have never met or spoken to him. See the following case which informs of a civil jury finding that a cop intentionally smashed a women's eye socket with a Maglite and Perjured himself in the Supreme Court. In that incident the victim, an unathletic young teacher of about 120 pounds, was battered by a body builder, transit cop (ex RCMP animal) of about 250 pounds. She initiated a process hearing, and process issued. Crown Counsel squashed it. This is typical BC policing. Cops are as cowardly as are they worthless.

http://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2006/2006bcsc692/2006bcsc692.html

Truth or Cameron,
I am sure you have never met Cameron Ward or spoken to him because the more I read of your nonsense I am convinced you are he. To quote yourself: Anyone can participate in same by swearing an information before a JP, informing Crown Counsel of intent, and pleading before a judge or Judicial JP, towards causing the judge to believe that the other party committed a crime. So the question begs to be asked, why don't you charge the police as it appears to be your right to do so? I suggest that you would rather put the police on trial in this forum where you can say what you want, yell when you want and swear when you want with no accountability. It is you that is the coward Mr. Ward. You have an agenda and it is far from the truth. You will never be satisfied. You quote many legal stories and lawyer talk but you are a fool. Continue to chase the ambulance Mr. Ward, but please, give us some balance or adjourn court to another date and don't tells us when to reconvene.

Truth: that is not what I said. A person can be issued a Promise to Appear by a Peace Officer and inbetween the date of issuance and a plea date, crown may either approve the charge or not, in such case any accused will be contacted and informed of such. The police in the province of British Columbia are well aware they cannot register a charge, however they can lay an information with a formal charge when when a subject is in custody and must be brought before a Justice or a Judge within 24hrs. IE: An arrest on the weekend would necessitate a telehearing before a Justice where a charge is formally laid by the police who represent the crown. It is done in BC, Mr. Truth.

In addition, with reference to Cameron Ward, I was commenting with Zinger - It appears Zinger feels you might just in fact be Mr. Ward..

BS. The judge or judicial JP orders the charge registered, beginning the process. I cited a case where a teacher swore an information and pleaded to same; prosecutors participate in telehearings. There is a Crown Counsel Policy Manual that is available at any law library.

Heidi: over 100,000,000 innocent persons were murdered by cops in the 20th century. What kind of sick mind would bend the facts to concoct a phony justification of murder by cop? The liars refuse to explain a scenario that would fit the Koester-Kennedy cartoon into the 2 minutes and 8 second time frame.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/photogalleries/IanBush0706.html?g=0

How can someone be choked with the inside of one's elbow? And a one armed choke? The pro-Koester animals are accessories after the fact to murder. They are mad dogs, and certainly wife beaters if any women would have them.

2 MINUTES AND 8 SECONDS, A__HOLES!