Maybe they have transcended way of thinking, that Union people don't?

They gather, they strike!, and ask for better wages?

I think we should call the Campbell government police here?

Somehow "independance" has been translated from small business owner into independance of some kind different then our strategies for better wages?

This is a Americanized version of union strategies to replace existing structures.

Don't be fooled.

You have fellows who undercut each other for a dollar, that somone else doesnt have, so he'll take less. It something you don't have and you'll get hungry. That's what they do with these Christian Labour organizations

So you see all these guys in Vancouver travelling in line, protesting gas prices? Somehow, they're gathering is supposed to be better then the demand for prices that control gasoline, so that the dollar that they have cut into, is suppose to be better then mine?

First of all, have the truckers stop undercutting each other.

Have 'em join your association and start a union instead of having someone else negotiate for you. Try the CEP.

Thirdly learn about Amercanized unions, and stop this integration into a Canada True North Strong and Free.

You see, in my day to have one of these truckers cross my line, and it happened, is much like one of you trying to stand tall, and have your brother cross.

We would have been called a scab. Yet you have no way to control this.

Make sure you tell your brothers about it in Vancouver

IMO the issue is simply the the consolidation of forest tenures in the province.

The forest tenures were designed to make BC more competitive against the Americans at all cost and they are why we now have the softwood tarrifs.

The value of the forest tenure system is reflected in this latest truckers strike, as well as the big forest company stand against the Americans. This is clear testiment to the interest the big forest companies have in this policy.

My sugestion would be to first ban all raw log exports from the province of BC. Second open up BC to an open log market were logging companies bid to log the land and log brokers connect them with the mills.

This would provide a fair access to BC's resources for all companies to compete and would eliminate the softwood lumber tarrifs. It would also provide more jobs in the value added sector with fiber security, and would ensure that truckers themselves are competing in an open market that strengthens their hand in a way that ensures that they are governed by the realities of economics and not a corporations cost management.

Time Will Tell

PS I think our finished product speaks for itself and that we don't need to subsidize our favorite coporations to 'make' them competitive in the American market via the tenure system.

"My sugestion would be to first ban all raw log exports from the province of BC. Second open up BC to an open log market were logging companies bid to log the land and log brokers connect them with the mills."

Why would you cave into American demands?

Freetrade it seems, is only good for a one sided argument?

Even in face of the laws, that have been tested, this process, it is obvious freetrade is a farce.

I would not cave in. Ask for the soft duties that have been collected. If they don't give it back, consider it open war and applying duties on anythng that is shipped into Canada. If you are not going to live by the rule then "freetrade is dead." Has been for a while. As long as that money has not been return it is considered theft.

Continue to keep forest tenure as it is. "Responsible companies keeping to responsible agreements."

Yes, do not allow for log exports. Keep the work in our country, and make forests sustainable. Let's not get to "hog wild on the Beetle kill" and not consider reforestation as part of the increase in cutting. The trees are still "valuable resources" and will fit somewhere inside of the forest tenure sectors of these companies.

These crown lands belong to the people. You have to remember to keep an eye on these "slight of hand tricks" where the resource, can be changed into some other means of value.

Like Alcan use of our water resources and damming to produce hydro. Now instead of producing jobs with which the intention had been set out by agreement, you have your liberal government caving in to companies, no longer responsible for the "work produced by agreement."

They are setting the stage, for you and I to pay more for hydro. And if you think this nuts, it is motivated by American pricing. Just like Teresen Gas, and all the wonderful things the company is doing, apply the "ole fog syndrome" while you have been suckered into paying more for a resource that belongs to this province.

As long as companies use the resources of our country, they should be tied to the responsibilites of keeping forests jobs, mining jobs, all jobs, within boundaries and responsilites we have set out, as owners of this province.

Not only will the Liberals do away with your jobs, they will rape this province if you let them for big business.

Let's try not to be suckered again, as Gas once was, while the glories of pipelines runinning this way to the south, bypasses all our hands and owners of this province, while a resource is wasted and benefited to corporations for profit.

Make the tenure system stronger if anything, to keep jobs in British Columbia.

Let's keep our eye on the ball?


"(data from Statistics Canada and NAFTA at Seven:Its impact on workers in all three nations, EPI, Washington DC, April 2001)"

http://cep1133.blogspot.com/2005/04/workers-have-become-poorer-while.html

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What is happening in P.G. is very differant then what is going on in Vancouver .The P.G.T.A is an assoication and the real fight is to have the large companys [canfor and freinds] to reconise their barganing agent the I.W.A/Steelworkers

"What is happening in P.G. is very differant then what is going on in Vancouver."

Is there a association much like this one in Vancouver?

"The P.G.T.A is an assoication and the real fight is to have the large companys [canfor and freinds] to reconise their barganing agent the I.W.A/Steelworkers"

Ah! bargaining agent.

Do all Independants as arule support the Liberal Party per say?

Thank-you