"Don't Expect Any Change in Ice jam"

-We are not expecting any changes. Maybe we coule expect some changes if the decison makers would take some action and at least try to free the ice jam.

Funny how some people just don't get it about ice jams. Any idea how far south on the Fraser you would have to go to start to "free the ice jam"?

It's all the politician's fault. Let's break out the protest signs and vote "no" to mother nature and specifically ice jams.
-in fact, while we're on the topic, I vote to replace the politicians that are allowing all of this snow to fall.

What scares me is the talk about diking, yes this time the water did come over the banks, but ususally the water comes up through the ground. Why do you think they are having flooded basements all the way up to 3rd Avenue. The River is following the old underground channels. The dikes are up and the water is still perking up through the ground. The dikes will only hold the water in and not let it flow back to the river.

You know guys/gals, from the pictures in the paper showing the Nechako wide open up stream, and I know the Fraser is frozen, I do not understand why no one is looking at the releases of water. The Nechako did not freeze, as a result of higher faster levels, when the Fraser did normally. I am not directly blaming Alcan at this time as I do not know who directs the water to be released. I also am aware that the dam is full, but put the water into the ocean thru Kemano. This is the same story in the spring during high water, they release more and more during run off, hence flooding the Nechako, the Fraser etc. I have lived on the Fraser for 17 years and in the last 10 to 12 years have lost any beach in the summer as a result of high water and have faced many sleepless nights as a result of flood threat. It is as a result of poor water management decisions either at Alcan, the province or the feds, I do not know who controls the valves. Rest assured if Kemano 2 was built you would stop seeing the same things, and also rest assured that will be used as a platform for building it.

Perby, don't you think that is what Alcan's game plan has been all along?

Create a problem and then offer the solution to the problem.

Eagleone says, "Create a problem and then offer the solution to the problem."
This is beginning to sound like another chapter in Naomi Klein's book, " The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism."

I have being doing some housecleaning and I came across an article from The Prince George Citizen written by Ben Meisner and published on Oct. 13, 1993. It was (is) titled "Kemano:Alcan is answerable to no one." It was amazing to read it 14 years later and it is still relevant. Ben, maybe you could put it back up for all to read.

absolutely, but if they are one of the players in flooding why can we not deal with them for the cost of the flooding. I mean they are the same ones in the spring which decimated Vanderhoof, PG etc, why are the mayors of these cities not stepping up to the plate. The hundreds of thousands of dollars at Otway last year, the flooding in the city etc. The small landowner has not generally got the resources to go after them, but one would think the municipalities could.
Oh well, take off my rose colored glasses and grin and bear it.

Also to read the papers etc, and remarks from the EXPERTS it is a natural phenoninom, they say that this time and all times. That is the stance of the government, alcan, the paid experts. What to do.

These so called EXPERTS know diddlysquat.

Firstly the natural flow of the Fraser River is to the Eastern Shore, and the Natural flow of the Nechako River is to the Westerly side. The Nechako River and the Fraser have been silting for the past 40/50 years and as a result once the Fraser freezes and attaches to the bottom of the river, and with the Nechako ice getting caught up by the silt etc; and causing a jam, you have a major problem.

If the Nechako River was dredged on the South Side say from Cottonwood Island (Pas Lumber) to the South Side of the CN Rail Bridge, this would re-create the channel where the water normally flows and make for a more fluent merge with the Fraser.

This is not rocket science, however it is probably too fundamentally simple to be grasped by an EXPERT.

On any given day during spring run-off you can see the difference between the color of the water in the two rivers. The East side Fraser is muddy and brown, while the West side Nechako is clear.

Dredging is the answer. They do it all over the world. It is only in a small town in the middle of British Columbia called Prince George that simple effective answers to major problems elude the people in power. We should be ashamed of ourselves.

Our elected representatives are not able to fully grasp the magnitude of the problem, and so how can we expect them to come up with solutions.

Their solution is to come up with some local EXPERTS who basically say there is nothing we can do. If our fore fathers had this kind of attitude we would all still be living in Europe.

Anyone else in Canada ever had ice jams? So, what have they discovered? Did our experts talk to anyone outside of PG for advice? Why is it that they don't know what to do? Pretty pathetic. Chester

Anyone with any REAL brains, for a change, would look long range. You know, someone not a human being... because a real thinker would have figured out that building in a flood plain means that you're going to have to deal with... all together now... floods! A species that had 3 brain cells to put together in one group would figure out that rebuilding in the same spot after a flood is also not a good long term solution. Not like floods only happen every 10,000 years after all. A real thinker would then design a city that is immune to flooding mostly because there is nothing in the flood plain to be flooded! Oh my, there's an idea!! Everything could easily be designed, one way or the other, so that floods would have little to no negative effect. But that would take a species more intelligent and wise and much less selfish than the current crop of two legs currently running around on the planet.

Even the village idiot has two legs... thats like saying people that breath air are retards....

I agree with you kevin1006, however as you know greed trumps common sense, and bullshit baffles brains.

When the Grand Trunk Pacific was coming to this area in the early 1900's it was thought that they would locate the rail station at either South Fort George, or Central Fort George, and the land speculators bought up all the land and upped the prices. The GTP then ran the Railway onto its present location where land was cheap (probably because it was on a flood plain) and called the station Prince George, after which the City then built up around the Railway.

Central Fort George and South Fort George went into decline, and *Bobs you Uncle*