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Now Suddenly the City Of Prince George Says The Time Is Right For The Ice Breaker

By Ben Meisner

Tuesday, January 15, 2008 03:45 AM

    Have you every seen a flip- flop- belly- flop  like the reasons why the City of Prince George has now come up with the idea of using Eco Technologies to break the Nechako ice jam?  

Here is what they had to say:

"Now that river ice experts have determined there is sufficient open water on the Fraser to try to move ice from the Nechako river channel, it will be possible to safely use an amphibious excavating machine.  The unseasonably warm temperatures of the past week have resulted in open water on the Fraser River, creating an opportunity that did not exist before to move ice out of the Nechako.

“The Emergency Operation Centre is pursuing short- and medium-term solutions to the ice jam problem,” said Derek Bates, EOC director. “Now that our ice expert has confirmed that the time is right for moving ice from the Nechako into open water on the Fraser, we can proceed with that short-term solution.”

Last Thursday no one wanted to even look at the machine Paul Laplante uses to break ice jams and had they done so they would have found that he comes highly recommended by any city he has worked for.

It will come as no surprise as well that the ice expert engineer,  at first said Monday,  that the Eco System would not work, but then somehow that story was changed in the matter of a few hours  and any reference was deleted.

Now why would you invest $500,000 dollars in a hot water system  that you have no gaurentees in , or for $50,000 you can break the jam? 10% as opposed to 100% would make sense to most people and why isn’t the city waiting to see if the ice breaker works well enough to be used in future years? For example there were 36 ice floods in the province in 2005, think how much money could have been saved.

But instead of when you mess up, you dress up and you fess up,  the city EOC and Engineers did a spin. Rather than admitting that a stay at home mum had found the machine by doing some research, they chose instead to make it look like they had the idea all along but it wasn’t the right time to act. They should be embarrassed for that conduct.

The ball was dropped so many times in this venture that it is shameful. Now whether it is the ego of the individuals or the fact they were just in over their heads we will have to see.

Had it not been for Jim Whyte of PEP who brought ECO into the picture, just where do you think the EOC would have led us?  The city brass had the information on ECO as far back as last Thursday. Whyte admitted he hadn’t heard about ECO before, but the City had, or at least they now say they did. Strange,  when I talked to their PR guy last week, he told me that the Mayor had just happened by and he had shown him this ice breaker from the information I had forwarded to him.

 Now instead of waiting to see the results of the Ice breaker, the EOC is moving ahead with the hot water release at a now estimated cost of $500,000, which  is $100,000 more than yesterday. If it is a face saving move, please save us the agony.  

We who read Opinion250 will have to find some appropriate recognition for "heidi1555" for finding the machine, because you can rest assured City Hall will not be singling her out for the information that she dug up.

Heidi should be recognized for her find, but instead somehow the powers that be were able to spin her out of the picture, what a pity.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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Well said, qwaszxter! You echoed my exact thoughts. :)
Again, very well said, Ben. Full credits go to Heidi for finding the machine and to you, Ben, for forwarding the information to the City. Why can't the "powers that be", give credit where credit is due? They will lose more face by not doing so.

At this point in time, spending $500,000, of taxpayers' money, on a hot water system is totally irresponsible. You can be sure that the bill will be well over a million dollars before they are finished with the system. Common sense would say spend the $50,000 on the ice breaker before proceeding with the very questionable hot water system. By the time the hot water system is constructed, we will be well on our way to the warmer and longer days of Spring and Nature will look after the situation herself. Wasn't this what the "ice expert" orginally said?

It seems that most of the common sense regarding the flood situation has come from Ben and Elaine of Opinion250, its many readers, John Brink as the industry representative and Jim Whyte (who contacted Eco regarding the ice breaker).

Again, I hope that common sense will prevail in this matter.
Dont know where Ben got the figure of $50,000.00 for the icebreaker, but transportation costs alone to get this machinery here and back to NB will cost you at least 30,000.00 then of course you have the actual costs on the river. I suspect the bill will be much higher than $50,000.0
Yes, i'm so glad I stumbled over Ben and Elaines site a year ago. Best one on the web.
If the city won't hear our voices, Opinion250 will. It's a good place to all come together.
:)
The mayor was on CBC last night saying that the reason the ice breaker could not be used before was because there was no open water to launch it. Really? Not even the open water where the pulp mill keeps the Fraser channel clear and which inspired the city's plan for the hot water pipeline scheme?

It is quite remarkable though how he is prepared to claim credit for anything we gullile ciizens might swallow. Pretty soon we can expect him to claim credit for the theory of relativity.
MUST BE TWO ICE EXPERTS MAKING DECISIONS. ONE OF THEM COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE THAT STUPID. THE HOT WATER SYSTEM MUST BE PUT ON HOLD,PENDING THE RESULTS OF THE ICE BREAKER....THATS JUST COMMON SENSE.(SOMETHING THAT IS SERIOUSLY LACKING IN THIS ADMINISTRATION)
"...but instead somehow the powers that be were able to spin her out of the picture, what a pity."

Only for those who haven't been following the whole story since its beginning.

The Mayor will be on TV tonite at 5:30 pm delivering a (paid) address to the citizens of Prince George.

I would be tremendously surprised if he would give proper credit to an individual who found and passed on information which led to a re-examination of how best to deal with the situation by the use of the ice breaking barge.

It is clear (to me) that the existence of this Amphidex machine was not known to ANY of those who called the shots (and worked hard) from day one - otherwise they would have mentioned it BEFORE a local citizen did.

Nobody is perfect. That often includes the so-called experts.

I believe that both projects have the green light from the province. However, the city can implement them or not implement them. There is not word when the water one will be pursued. Nor is there a word of when the ice breaker will be pursued as in, where is it now? Has it started to move west yet?

The other thing I have not heard for some time - what is the water level doing? Where is it at in relation ot the past few weeks?

For Pete's sake!! No open water to launch the Amphidex ?? Give me a break !!!

This thing has a hoe on the front that MOVES ice !! Does the mayor think we're so stupid we don't realize the thing could make its OWN path out into the channel, or that we could use a long boom excavator to clear a launch area for it from shore !!

As for ice frozen right to the bottom and nowhere for the ice to go --- here's more garbage we're being fed !! The Amphidex can pile the ice it moves BESIDE the channel its making, --- let the WATER go, and the ice it piles up along the sides can make its way downstream as it melts in the spring. He's not going to move All the ice in the river from bank to bank now is he --- just going to dig a channel through it to let the water escape !!
Not only that, but the last time I heard the ice-jam was only 6 km. long, not the full length of the river. So wouldn't there be open water at the beginning and end of the ice-jam?
[Not only that, but the last time I heard the ice-jam was only 6 km. long, not the full length of the river. So wouldn't there be open water at the beginning and end of the ice-jam?]

I'm not defending our city officials because I certainly don't agree with the way its been handled, but I think what they are saying is open water in the Fraser, so the pieces of itty bitty ice have a place to float. The Fraser has not had an open channel til late last week.
Oh, okay. I realized after I posted that, that it might have been a dumb question, but there was no way to go back and delete or edit my post. lol

Thanks for answering my question. :)

I am always amazed how things look from the bleachers. The view is different. The plays look different. I can see so much better than those on the field and I usually have a better idea of how things should have gone.

The reality is, I'm just a spectator. I'm not the player, I'm not the coach, I'm not the umpire and I'm not even the owner. So, why do I feel that my opinion should be considered seriously?

How easy it is to criticize when we don't have to face the music, or take the heat, or accept the consequences of our opinions, or be accountable to the rest of the population of the city.

My support, encouragement and sympathy go out to everyone expected to do the right thing in everyone elses eyes. It's a difficult spot to be in. Chester
One more thing. They probably are doing the best they can with the tools they have been given. Chester
Thank you to Ben, Heidi, and Jim for your courage! Time to deflate some egos I think! A huge thanks to Opinion250! Without this site, citizens would continually be spoon fed the political mumbo jumbo du jour!
As tiny already said....thanks to those that actually make a difference. This does not include council and colin.