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Industry Experts Say More Mill Closings On The Way

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Tuesday, January 15, 2008 04:24 AM

        

Prince George, B.C. - Industry experts are saying that a lot of forestry companies are now looking at their bottom lines and their cash reserves and are saying it would be a good idea to simply shut down their forestry operations for a year or so rather than face bankruptcy.

Here is the way the scenario is being played out, if you are losing ½ million dollars a month, rather than continue you could save $6 million dollars a year and look for a new staff down the road to replenish your mill site.

Last week 2x4’s, the bench mark in the industry, were selling for $209 a thousand down from $250 in November.

According toindustry experts you need from $285 to $290 to break even signaling that there is a lot more bleeding to take place in the industry before the down turn is over.

Some mill operators are saying that the industry may never be the same.  In the US where most of our wood makes its way, the old adage that your home is your castle just isn’t ringing true.  We are seeing people in the US walking away from their homes while others see the value of their home drop by up to ½ , that doesn’t bode well for  a good future market for B.C. lumber products.

The $1 billion dollar Federal contribution to try and offset the hit the forest companies and forest related communities are taking, is also seen as really just one year of the Tariff taxes that have been collected. If you look at the 15% export tax to the USA you will quickly find that it adds up to about $1 billion a year. We are just getting back the money we put into it.

As for the talk of diversifying, industry experts are saying the politicians who are suggesting that we simply switch our markets to China, Taiwan and Korea are just looking at things through rose coloured glasses. "Someone suggested that we export flooring, doors, cabinet doors and other finishing products to China. They obvioulsy don’t read much" says one  lumber expert who points to this article ;

                  The wood products manufacturing industry, as one of the most
                  Important export industries in China, has developed rapidly
                  Since 1994, it has become the key investment objective for
                  Taiwan- and Hong Kong-based enterprises and most of the wood
                  products are for export. The export of flooring, cabinet doors ,
                   furniture and other wood products in one of the top five growing
                   export industries in all of China.

That says it all when it comes to Canada looking for new markets industry experts say. For example they site a company that formerly employed 120 people in Delta manufacturing picnic tables, patio furniture gazeboes etc for the outdoor market.

That company now employs 20 people who assemble these same products from China. It is far cheaper to import the product from China than to try and manufacture in Canada.

How long will this down turn last?  According to all of the industry executives we talked to,  they say mid 2009 is as soon as we can expect a mild turn around . That should come after the US election. In the meantime, companies will now examine whether it makes more sense to moth ball their operations until the markets pick up, rather than bleed red ink for another two years.

They all say the future in the forest industry is tenuous at best. "We are going to see a lot more shut downs, many permanent" they say.

As for the comments that Prince George’s economy is diversified and not affected by the lay offs in the forest industry , one local mill owner said, "They ought to talk to the retailers in this city and you will find that  with the majority of shops the Christmas sales were down sharply from 2006 , now what do you suppose caused that ?"   


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So, looks like we need the americans to have a strong economy in Canada. I remember not to long ago the politians making fun of our friends and valuable customers to the south. This is a real wake up call to those people who think we can survive with out the american purchasing power. In reality they are a "customer" and we all know how you should treat one.
Lakelands logging contractors have been told to finish their blocks and that will be it, so expect a press release from them soon too.
And a lot of people rushed out to buy these overpriced homes in PG!
No suprises here whatsoever!
Too bad we have have a government that refuses to aknowledge this simple logic!
It is not going to be pretty, but the people on the lower mainland will also get to take a hit.
They will however,perhaps have some nice new buses etc.to ride!
It is not just the northern reaches of B.C. that will be affected.
What is it that so many simply refuse to understand about that?
I dunno Andy - I guess it's best summed up in the article as "rose coloured glasses". It's gonna get a whole lot worse around here....

It keeps me up nights - my family depends on the forest industry too.
No matter what the north still depends on the lumber industry.The government should spend some of those Unemployment dollars from the EI fund that has a surplus and cover those losing there jobs to the tune of 100% coverage not 60%.Then the people affected could either ride out the storm or get trained to do something else.So much for the boom it looks like it is recession time again
Not sure what the government could do to correct this... it's not like they could change policy and correct the economics. The subprime mortgage meltdown is mostly to blame.

The forest industry goes in cycles, this is another cycle, albeit probably a deeper, longer one. The sky >isn't< falling, but it will be different. That's for sure.



"According to industry experts you need from $285 to $290 to break even".....this is in US$. Is this break even price applicable with the CA$ at par or do we need to see the CA$ back at 70 cents for "$285 to $290 to break even"?
I am also not exactly sure what the government here in B.C. could do to correct this problem either realitysetsin,but a very good place to start would be to recognize the fact that the areas above the lowermainland are in fact a very important part of B.C.'s economy!
If we hurt up here,they WILL hurt down there,particularly when it comes to the forest industry.
I agree the forest industry in general does go in cycles, but unfortunately,the difference this time around is that when we combine all the other financial issues, with the Mountian Pine Beetle problem,we have a whole new ball game.
We have never had to deal with a monster like this one,and the MPB devastation is just warming up!
Until the government starts to pay attention to that fact,we will see our fortunes continue to decline.
They cannot keep spending the way they have been lately but Gordon Campbell hasn't figured that out yet.
Taking care of the infrastructure and economic base here in the northern parts of B.C. is the key to survival, but Mr.Campbell and his boys simply don't see that.
They will,but by then,we will already be in big trouble!

See Yahoo News......"Prime minister announces $1-billion in aid for struggling Canadian industries The new fund is primarily for job retraining for laid-off workers and community infrastructure projects. Each province will get $10 million in base funding and each territory will get $3 million. The rest of the fund will be handed out on a per capita basis."

What is $10 million? We've already had over 2000 people laid off in Northern BC. That works out to $5000 per person for re-training, etc. What about everyone else that is affected, from the contractors and truckers with equipment that is now worth nothing to the retail and service industry who will see a downturn?

Your right gitterdun,and unfortunately,those 2000 people who have been laid off so far are probably just the tip of the iceberg when you consider the trickle down effect that is bound to happen!
Yes the Prime minister did announce $1billion in aid for struggling Industries, but that is only if the budget is pasted in parliment. As for Campbell, he only cares about the southern part of the province, putting all that money into the transit system, so he said to make commuting easier. Ya right, it is our tax dollars paying for more Olympic up grades. Well lets just see how many tax dollars he looses with all the unemployed in the North.
I guess rolling over dead and signing the flawed softwood lumber agreement which punishes us when prices drop too low (!!!) plus allowing them to keep a couple of billions of our dollars to fund their future (and present) efforts to keep us from exporting to them wasn't such a smart and well-thought out solution after all?

We were winning every US court challenge - I still don't understand what motivated the Conservatives to give in and give up.

They were wrong, they knew it and they simply wore us down.

Let's triple our efforts to export more to better trading partners.
This is good news.

Stupid humans never make changes until they are faced with crisis. Selfishness and greed blind this stupid species of truth and the best long term path that should be taken up until a crisis hits. It is only then that stupid humans start thinking of other paths, other values, other possibilities. Most in this region look at the forest and see only money in their destruction and these are the people that most need to change and these are the people that only think of change when crisis hits. Therefore crisis is good because it stokes the fire of creativity and broader thinking.

Maybe, just maybe, some logic will start to enter the picture. Mmmmm... that is asking a lot. Logic is the trait of intelligence and that is at an all time low on planet Earth.

I agree kevin1006...we all to often look to someone else to take care of us. Where is the forthought, the planning and the what if's. We keep our heads in the sand and when something bad happens , we push it deeper.
Lions and tigers and...stupid humans, oh my. I somehow dont get the impression that Kevin includes himself in there.
All doom and gloom aside, most of you out there have been through forestry downturns before. We should know by now that PG and area works that way. However, PG today IS more diversified than when i got here 20 some years ago. I think people like to be a little too pessimistic these days. We DO have strong commodity prices in other areas. We stupid humans can mine, drill for and deliver oil and gas into a strong market and log too for that matter. We have been spoiled of late with Canfor remaining open through the lumber dispute while many other communities went belly up. It is selfish to advocate sticking to our legal guns while others suffered.
I dont know what the pine beetle will do to the forest industry. I do agree with kevin on one thing. Crisis promotes change and there is room for that in the forest industry. We are already seeing it in the form of pellets, logging practices and standards and the utilization of hardwood species. I doubt very much that the decrease in mid term pine timber supply will translate into a pound for pound decrease in the number of jobs in forestry in PG.
SO i guess what i am saying is dont sell your house and move to Alberta yet OK?
Andyfreeze.

I suppose my point is that I trust us, the people of the North to find a solution way more than some bureaucrats in an ivory tower down in Victoria. Most politicians are proof that light travels faster than sound. They seem bright until they speak.






I think the suggestion that we could diversify and export, windows, doors, flooring, railing, etc; to China, came from our Mayor. Seems he has no idea as to whats really going on in China even though he has been there 8 times.

China seem to be the solution to all Politicians problems, however the truth of the matter is we have been trading with them for over 20 years and there is not going to be any significant change in the near future.

Last year exports to China were 98% bulk products, coal, sulphur, wheat, potash, pulp and paper, etc; Manufactured products were 2%.
I agree realitysetsin!
If we wait for the politicians,we will be waiting a long time!
If this was taking place on the lower mainland,it would be a different scenario completely.
Most of the political lackeys don't even know we are up here!
(or care,unless it's electrion time!)
Cheers!
??electrion time...? did I really say that?
I expect that at any moment our local MLA will be advising everyone that the worst is over and everything will be ok.
We should do just what Redneck said in his post above. The EI money has already been paid into that fund by workers and employers. What are we saving it for? A 'rainy day'? Well, we're having a cloudburst right now!

It doesn't do anyone any good to cut the unemployed worker off at 60% of his regular earnings. Pay him 100%, and keep the rest of the economy that's depending on his continued spending healthy and productive. Get over that stupid 'moral' argument that somebody shouldn't get anything for nothing. They're not, they've already had the money removed from their earnings.

And, along with the $ 1.40 every employer pays in EI in ratio to every $ 1.00 deducted from his employees, both amounts have been charged into "prices" for everything made here that's sold here. So, to that extent, we're paying it twice. Time to put it back where it came from.
You have a really good point Redneck, and I agree totally with socredible. Its unfortunate for all that are being affected. Long term employees are giving thier heads a shake right now!
example..an employee with 28 years service..gets 60%..
looks like forestry dealt another blow...this is unreal! PG Mill up in flames...literally.