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Mayor Offended By Criticism of Flood Handling

By Michelle Cyr-Whiting

Monday, January 21, 2008 04:15 AM

A picture of River Road included in the City’s January 20th Flood update

Prince George, B.C. -  Harsh criticism of the City’s communication efforts during the recent flooding is not sitting well with Mayor Colin Kinsley, nor are claims by one business that City efforts to raise River Road are behind recent lay-offs.

Kinsley says claims by some of the businesses affected that there’s been a lack of communication on the City’s part are simply not true.

"We have talked with them from the beginning -- special meetings, two hours -- with two of the mill representatives.  We’ve had their liaison that they appointed from the very beginning...I was there talking to them on December the 11th, when this incident first started."

He says, "[I] drove through the entire area, so I’m quite offended by the notion that we’re not communicating with them - we’ve communicated with them ad nauseam, almost, and we did that because we felt it was important to do the best we could, but, quite frankly, in an emergency situation, we don’t have time to deal with special interest groups."  Kinsley does say, "We’ve done that and we have protected their property and we have protected their employees and there’s a lot of misinformation out there that I find quite upsetting."

On Sunday, January 13th, the president of Brink Forest Products, John Brink, released a letter he’d written to the City saying he didn’t want the City building up River Road in front of his property.  (click here, for that article)  By Thursday, he announced he had laid off 100 employees due to safety concerns over the road and ramp being constructed.  (click here for full article)

Kinsley says, "While I was there Sunday morning (Jan 13th) with our consulting engineers and a contractor, prepared to start putting the driveway access to an acceptable industrial standard to Brink’s property and he would not allow our engineers to go on his property."

"And the only reason we didn’t put the driveway in anyway -- because we have the right under the Emergency Act -- is the fire chief, I spoke with him, and they didn’t really need the access in case there [was] a fire or some other emergent situation where we had to get in there with our fire apparaatus, we had other options of getting in, so we just let it be and let him engineer his own driveway."

Meantime, a coalition uniting the Nechako River Industrial Group, the Nechako River Victims Coalition, the United Steelworkers Union and the Prince George Trucking Association announced its formation on Friday.  (click here for details)  The group hopes to have a louder voice to ensure an acceptable long-term solution to the flooding is found.


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I think, to be fair to the Mayor and the city employees, they did what they could with the information that they had. They were led down the turkey trail by the experts that were consulted.

Having said that, I think they have acted appropriately and diligently since new information has come to light. I was glad to see the action taken once Heidi found the machine, for instance. Since then, they have been on the right track. Now that we have learned a thing or two, it will probably be handled better in the future.
I'm offended by all the trips he makes abroad. Maybe they should'nt be hiring these so called experts at outrageous fees to tell them something anyone with any common sense could have told them for free.
Ah I think we hurt his feelings
The reply/responce by the Mayor seems entirely reasonable, and might very well be the situation as stated.

But there are many of us that are quite willing to "read" the situation based on our personal experience in dealing with the city administration. I've always found in my personal experience that the city is absolutely brutal. The only way to respond is to be absolutely brutal in return. It is a very adverserial relationship, everytime.

After lots of arguing, the end result is a reasonable solution (which means you get what you wanted in the first place), however you must have the resources and ability to wait a couple years.

This situation is a little different in that the city is doing something, my experience was that the city was always there to make sure nothing happens.

So this time it is a little different, but it still walks and talks like a duck.
I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE BUSINESES THAT OPERATE ON RIVER ROAD AND THAT UTILIZE BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. IT'S LIKE BUILDING THE BERLIN WALL RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. FOR THE COMPANIES TRYING TO DO WORK UNDER THESE CONDITIONS,IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.THE RIVER ROAD BERM HAS ALSO ISOLATED THE PAS LUMBER CO'S HOT OIL SYSTEM,LEAVING IT VUNERABLE TO POTENTIAL ICE DAMAGE. THE MAYORS COMMENTS PROVES THAT HE IS BEEN TOTALLY MISLED BY THE SOCALLED EXPERTS. THE MAYOR SHOULD BE CONSULTING WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE NOT THEORETICAL. LOCAL CO'S IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND EARTH MOVING BUSINESS ARE LAUGHING AT THE WASTE OF MONEY THAT HAS BEEN SPENT ON THE BERM. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT ALONG THE RIVERS EDGE,WHERE IT THEN WOULD PROTECT ALL PROPERTY ON RIVER ROAD. THE RIVER EDGE BERM COULD HAVE BEEN LEFT PERMANENT,INSTEAD WE HAVE TO SPEND MEGA DOLLARS REMOVING THE ONE FROM RIVER ROAD,AND THEN CONSTRUCT ONE ALONG THE RIVER EDGE. SEEMS TO ME THAT THE MAYOR IS WAY OFF BASE ON THIS ONE.
Suck it up Kinsley thats why you get paid the big bucks $$ !!
Based on the photo included with this article, I can't see the problem Brink is referring to either.
I'd bet Brink is shut down due to the state of the forest industry.

If he blames the shutdown on the flood, he could seek insurance / emergency funding etc I bet.


RSI,re Brink,my thoughts exactly
HEY TINYAPPLE...IF THEY BUILT THE ROAD UP 6 FEET ABOVE YOUR DRIVEWAY WOULD YOU NOT HAVE A PROBLEM?
I think I'd be a tad upset if I had a six foot wall in front of my property. Looking at that picture it looks like all the spring run off is going to sit in that ditch and run right into his building.
I watched the recent City Council meeting where Mr. Brink and another gentleman urgently asked to be heard and make a presentation in respect to having somebody at City Hall listen their concerns and finally have some input.

If Mr. Kinsley consulted with them right from day one and repeatedly afterwards, what was the requested/demanded (and finally reluctantly consented to) presentation at that Council Meeting all about?

I think the Mayor should just move on and let the muddy waters settle.

Mistakes are made by everyone all the time and the positive lesson of that fact is to learn something and then move on.
The sad part of all this is that our Mare is always in muddy water. And is not above stretching the truth.

Cheewrs

Sometimes reading these posts is even better then the actual artical. I wonder if our *mare is offended daily when he reads all of this...
It always works the same:

The truth lies there for all that wish
to see.
If the city built a wall in front of my house six feet tall, I'd take 'em to court and make them build me one of them fancy underpasses they are so good at building.
Heaven forbid anyone living or operating a business there should accept even the tiniest responsibility for their own stupidity in the first place.
What the hell do people really think is going to happen when you build right beside the river with mere feet of altitude above the water level.
I don't think u need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what the inevitable is!! Why did they evict all the tenants of the old "island cache" and turn it into a park? Do think it's cuz the place floods..... But if you are rich enough to build a house (or reno an existing one) or develop a business a 100 yards down the road from there you should be above being flooded.
People are just friggen stupid at times.

As for the Mayor.....maybe u should ask you planners why they are issuing permits in these areas too.
I'm sure all these people would be shocked if their homes we re destroyed if they had built in a hurricane zone too. sheesh people take your lumps and be thankful for the help u do get
Heaven forbid anyone living or operating a business there should accept even the tiniest responsibility for their own stupidity in the first place.
What the hell do people really think is going to happen when you build right beside the river with mere feet of altitude above the water level.
I don't think u need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what the inevitable is!! Why did they evict all the tenants of the old "island cache" and turn it into a park? Do think it's cuz the place floods..... But if you are rich enough to build a house (or reno an existing one) or develop a business a 100 yards down the road from there you should be above being flooded.
People are just friggen stupid at times.

As for the Mayor.....maybe u should ask you planners why they are issuing permits in these areas too.
I'm sure all these people would be shocked if their homes we re destroyed if they had built in a hurricane zone too. sheesh people take your lumps and be thankful for the help u do get
NO NEED TO SHOUT GITERDuN! LOL...I don't see the pictoral evidence of that. Sorry. Where exactly is the prob giterdun??
IN ANSWER TO PEOPLE LIVING OR OPERATING A BUSINESS BESIDE A RIVER....THESE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE FIFTYS.THEY HAVE ALL SURVIVED UNTIL NOW. WHY YOU ASK? BECAUSE, THE RIVER BOTTOM AT THE CONFLUENCE OF THE TWO RIVERS IS AT LEAST A FOOT HIGHER THAN IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY AS A RESULT OF MASSIVE SILTATION CAUSED BY LAST YEARS FLOOD FROM THE OTTWAY CUTBANKS.THIS HAS LEFT THE RIVER VERY SHALLOW AND AS A RESULT RIVER ICE HANGS UP AND JAMS.THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO DREDGE THE RIVER BOTTOM.ONCE THIS IS DONE THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEM. SOME PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THE FOREST BECAUSE OF THE TREES.
okay, I've taken another look at the pic...reread the posts...hmm, yeah I gotta agree that is the dumbest place to put a dike! However, to keep transport moving for the duration of the flood it seems to be a temp fix. It better be temp, because the long term ramifications of having a road there could create swimming pools! Well, maybe the ducks i saw in the city pics will like it!?
okay, I've taken another look at the pic...reread the posts...hmm, yeah I gotta agree that is the dumbest place to put a dike! However, to keep transport moving for the duration of the flood it seems to be a temp fix. It better be temp, because the long term ramifications of having a road there could create swimming pools! Well, maybe the ducks i saw in the city pics will like it!?
I gotta agree with RSI,Brink was getting a lot of trim blocks from Abitibi (Brink Forest Cuts Production .... 35 Jobs Cut, posted November 30th) , they shut down. The forest industry is in the toilet and everyone is bleeding. This flood couldn't have come at a better time. All Brink has to do is make as much of a fuss as possible to ensure he gets Disaster Relief money. The road probably isn't a great idea,but, at least it is above the flood plain now.

And Giterdun, 1)I agree with TAC, no need to shout. This is a lively discussion between mutally respective parties. Please turn off your caps. 2) It is a 200 year flood plain not a 60 year flood plain. It was bound to happen. But your right they should have dredged.
The 200 year flood plain is a hydrological assessment based much on probability calculation, especially here where we do not have a long recorded and accurate history of such events, rather than the last time the river flooded to that level.

With new information about global warming trends which changes many aspects of more traditional weather patterns, including precipitation, as well as effects of a mass of dying trees due to the MPB, these event frequencies are being recalculated not only here, but the world over.

As for the realities of people living in those flood plains and the involvement of regulatory agencies, that is also not just a local situation but a world wide phenomenon.

Read the linked site from the UK …. It has responses to some of the issues raised here :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4597372.stm
Harbinger, I WISH the city was good at building overpasses, road underpasses anyway. The lack of infrastructure planning is becoming laughable, with more and more side road intersections being treated to traffic control lights. They are a great bonus for those who need to cross or get on to the highway, but a major pain for the far larger volume of traffic that traverses our highways every day. Think of how much more smoothly traffic would flow if all those trucks and other vehicles did not have to come to a full stop many times just driving through town (on roads designated as highways)
It is time to start thinking less like a village and more like a suburban city, which is what we have become.
Sorry folks, off topic but I saw an opening and could not resist!
metalman.
Travism: "And Giterdun, 1)I agree with TAC, no need to shout. This is a lively discussion between mutually respective parties. Please turn off your caps."


No, leave the caps on! They identify a comment as one to be skipped and ignored.

Thanks for the warning, GITERDUN!
I agree with More BS:
"Heaven forbid anyone living or operating a business there should accept even the tiniest responsibility for their own stupidity in the first place"

Hey.....MoreBS wait untill the peole in downtown find out that the floodplane level has just been raised by two or three feet and thy now are in it or below it!!!!!!!! you imagine the rest.
I hope for your sake that your house or business is not in the new or old floodplane "MOREBS" !!!
I am offended that his Worship ? is offended
TO THOSE THAT ARE OFFENDED BY MY USE OF CAPS BECAUSE AS YOU SAY IT IS TOO LOUD. HAVE ANY ONE OF YOU EVER STOPPED TO CONSIDER THAT MAYBE I AM SIGHT IMPAIRED. BEFORE YOU SHOOT YOUR MOUTH OFF NEXT TIME,PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. OH! BY THE WAY MY VISION IS EXCELLENT,I TYPE LIKE THIS BECAUSE I CAN. GET A LIFE..
If there were underpasses AND overpasses at every intersection in this town that are light controlled, just think how much less of a "carbon footprint" stopped idling vehicles would not be producing. Call every road a mini-freeway. Except at the line-ups at Tim's.
giterdun...perhaps you just need a vaction?
:-)
...oops...that would be a vacation!
See...it's contagious...
BS and Sweet-toby, half the downtown is on that flood plane. Thats why the library is built on stilts. So lets shut it all down.
Too right Harbinger, too right. What we need is some of that federal road tax money, to spend on things like overpasses. With overpasses instead of traffic lights on our highway/city road interface points, air pollution would decrease, road maintenance costs would decrease, and we would'nt have to speed ;)
Plus our teeth would be whiter, we could all maintain our ideal weight.
metalman.
Wow, all these comments...
Poor Mr. Kinsley, is he going to have to have a "STUDY now to see if he is popular or not?
Save your energy and our money!
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, GITERDUN ..PERHAPS YOU NEED AN EVACUATION!

Remember, Giterdun is hard of reading, Heehee!
awwwwwwww, poor giterdun! (well giter, u kinda walked into it--lol) Anyways, I still don't really understand Brink's position in regards to his beef about the road. Can someone enlighten me? I recall the road being level to the building, that can't be it? Is it? Oh well. Let them have their tantrum for a bit I guess. And Mr Mayor, if your feelings are hurt, have u forgotten you're not allowed to have feelings when you're in the public eye. Save it for when you are at home. I'll send you some tissue if you like. We can't stand to see a grown man cry. Sing, "Don't worry, be happy" 3 times in your underwear, and I promise you'll feel much better. (Please save us the public display however, we'd never be able to take you seriously ever again!)
PS. ad nauseum and politics go hand in hand

:)
I believe the issue Mr Brink has with the road, is that it is too high for trucks to access his and others place of business. IE: long trucks can't drive off the high road down into the site without tipping over.
thx lostfaith! That would be a HUGE PROBLEM! If this is the case, MR MAYOR DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT!