oh oh...here we go AGAIN!
Welcome to B.C.!

51 or so overlapping fiefdoms/governments/nations. It might work.

Save us all the BS and give them what they want. They are going to get it anyway.

The govenment should be involved in this right from the start,but they are too busy stealing money from us to care.
They also don't know how to get here from the lower mainland!

"The Maiyoo Keyoh say the road way clearing and logging is an unjustified infringement on their title to the land."

Please, let's have these legal issues settled comprehensively once and for all! We can't have our already on-the-ropes-industry compromised even more by these endless disputes and blockades.

Where are all the vast amounts of money going to come from to pay eventual treaty settlements when our primary wealth producing activities are being stifled and assaulted every step of the way?

Sounds like tit for tat to me.

Congrats to the logging contractor. Its about time the taxpayers and workers of this province got some of their rights back. Rip the road right out, we paid for it.

Bring on the Guns. Time for everyone to fight for a long term solution. Winner take all

I have to chuckle at their shock of having their blockade blockaded. Must be bitter medicine.

Guess whose blockade will get taken down first - under police protection?

The logging contractor,Art Julian, is a damn good business man and well respected.
He is also First Nations, and lives in Fort St James on the rez.
If HE is pissed about this,that is really telling us something,aside from the fact that he actually works for a living!
He doesn't sit around all day bitching!
Now we have native people against each other and putting people out of work!
Something is very wrong here,but as usual,the government has no guts and cannot be found!
Cowards!
If anyone from the "white" community tried this,they would be in jail!
Time to stand up for OUR rights too!

Nice to see the shoe on the other foot, maybe we need more blockades....

...or maybe more shoes... :-)

Anyone wear moccasins any more? Or just around the house?

hadih ANDYFREEZE

remember clayoquot sound protesters? hmmmm je me souviens "white" people protesting against "white" loggers....members of the white community. just because people do or do not go to jail (oh, they did for clayoquot sound) does not mean that the actions were just...

as for Mr. Julian - just because one lives on the "rez" and is of Aboriginal decent does not mean that one is not Eurocentric.

ummm...Huh?..eurowhat?

Hey Maiyoo Keyoh, Perhaps if no one in authority at canfor and ministry wants to talk to you at your little party then maybe you should get off your ass and find out where the canfor and ministry offices are and schedule a meeting. Your in the 21st century now!

Andy.. It means seeing the world through a european prospective. Funny youwho says that becasue last time i checked we arent europeans!

you don't have to be European to be Eurocentric. Eurocentrism permeates the world whether we acknowledge it or not.

Thanks northman,but I know what it means.I just can't figure out the logic behind trying to worm it into a situation that has nothing to do with being eurocentric and everything to do with a serious lack of responsibilty and greed!

yourowsentrick; just another nonsense phrase.
Who are these phraseologists that keep coming with these pearls of wisdom?
I like the comment asking where is the land claim money (also known as lawyer get rich) going to come from if we shut the logging down, say true!
metalman.

As I understand it,each family has it's own keyoh in a specific area.
This land may have been used for many generations...or not.
Correct me if I am wrong on that,but that's the way it was explained to me by a first nations friend yesterday.
I understand that it may be more complciated than that,but that is basically what it means.
(he also thinks these people need to get out of the way and let people go to work)
However,many keyoh's have not been used for anything for many years and often several families claim the same keyoh.
The fact of the matter is that if that piece of land is not covered by legal treaty,it is actually crown land that someone is claiming as their own.
So what do the professed owners of this land want in exchange for it?
There are quite a few keyohs under dispute right now and will probably continue to be,from what I am told.
Some cannot be resolved because of the overlapping claims by different families and will likely go on forever.
Some cannot prove they have any claim to the land other than their own say so.
Regardless of the native or political issues,it is still crown land often like this piece under dispute, and can in fact be legally logged.
There is not a chance in hell that the government is going to give it away, so the dispute will go on forever.
In the end,it all comes down to money doesn't it?

It's about time that we stood up to the "we want everything for nothing groups"!

Hope the loggers can man their blockade and maybe get a few more up around here.

Andyfreeze

"just another nonsense phrase.
Who are these phraseologists that keep coming with these pearls of wisdom?"

"Regardless of the native or political issues,it is still crown land"

Crown land? if that isn't based on European values...hmmm Eurocentrism it is! ;)just because a term is not used in your everyday conversation doesn't mean that it has no merrit. the discourse (bet you like that one too eh?) of many concepts is often entrenched with various ways of saying the same thing... it really is the message that matters.

seems as though you know about traditional land - rember Delgamuukw? Hard to ignor the fact that the values of European land "ownership" do not play into this situation...what about the legal system? the education system? the welfare system? the notion that we have to work to be valuable citizens...capitalism? hello its all Eurocentric - so to "worm" it into a situation is ridiculous - it is the situation.
"Greed"? possibly, but it is not only one sided.

Andyfreeze

"just another nonsense phrase.
Who are these phraseologists that keep coming with these pearls of wisdom?"

"Regardless of the native or political issues,it is still crown land"

Crown land? if that isn't based on European values...hmmm Eurocentrism it is! ;)just because a term is not used in your everyday conversation doesn't mean that it has no merrit. the discourse (bet you like that one too eh?) of many concepts is often entrenched with various ways of saying the same thing... it really is the message that matters.

seems as though you know about traditional land - rember Delgamuukw? Hard to ignor the fact that the values of European land "ownership" do not play into this situation...what about the legal system? the education system? the welfare system? the notion that we have to work to be valuable citizens...capitalism? hello its all Eurocentric - so to "worm" it into a situation is ridiculous - it is the situation.
"Greed"? possibly, but it is not only one sided.

I don't really give a damn about "eurocentric" values youwho.
It is a phrase that means nothing relevant.
I do give a damn however,about B.C.values, because that's where we live and work and here in B.C. that means that "crown land" legally belongs to all us.
Not to just one particular faction simply because they say it is so.
I begrudge 1st.nations people nothing if it is legally theirs as defined by law or treaty.
If it is not legally defined as their own,then they cannot legally occupy that land anymore than the rest of us can.
This has to stop somewhere, and I blame our governments,provincial and federal for allowing the process to be abused to the extent it has.
If this crap keeps up,how will we ever settle treaties or land claims?
Laws apply to us all equally,or it is supposed to,and we cannot make up our own laws to satisfy the needs of a few.
If I attempted to do what these people are doing,I would likely go to jail,but for sure,somebody would come and at least move me!
If there is a legal issue involved,take it to the courts,but get off the damn road and let people earn a living!
(and by the way youwho,the first quote you used above is not mine, so please don't try to give me credit for it!)

ANDYFREEZE
Yes, I do know what crown land is; however you are missing the point about Eurocentrism. And sorry to give you credit for METALMAN's statement.

And sorry to you METALMAN for not addressing your statement directly. please see above.

See why these special groups get everyone reved up..simple stop any further treaty agreements.
They can purchase land with money that they earn like the rest of us.Man the only way to put an end to this crap! I refuse to call them First Nations.. show me the proof that they are truly the first.
Again i support the loggers blockades..and hope that we put up more.