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Residents Plan to Battle Community Energy System

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 04:03 AM

    

Residents start to take their seats at a community meeting to talk about the community energy system

Prince George, B.C. –  City Hall is facing another battle over  air quality, and this one  will centre on its own plans to build a community energy system. The system is being billed as using bio mass to create energy to heat   the City’s buildings downtown.  The plan claims the process will create less than 1 tonne of fine particulate in exchange for the reduction in greenhouse gases. That is one tonne too many says Dr. Marie Hay. 

The local paediatrician says  while the City claims  the emissions will be no worse than  8 city buses,  she points out  that would be “Eight city buses running 24-7, just 85 metres from this school”( Sacred Heart on Patricia Boulevard) She  told a gathering of about 50 concerned residents that  pm 2.5 is the worst particulate, that it gets  to the very depths of  the lungs and into inner ears,  she says it causes  chronic infections,  asthma and  cancers. She says pm2.5 can pass through the placenta to the fetus and can cause hardening of the arteries.  While she is trying to mobilize the  medical community against the community  energy plant, she says  those she has spoken to  within Northern Health think   adding  fine particulate to the Prince George Airshed is “madness.”

Dr. Hay also wonders what will be wafting in the air when thousands of tonnes of woodchips are dumped at the site of the energy system. “Wood chips are full of spores, mould and fungi and if they waft into the air, they can cause all sorts of other health problems.”  She says it is inevitable the community energy system will eventually be creating electricity that will be sold to B.C. Hydro and that means the use of electro magnetics and high voltage lines, elements she says have been linked to increased risks of leukemia. 

All in all, not a pretty health picture.

It is for these reasons some residents of the Miller Addition want to raise awareness about the impacts of the $5.3 million dollar energy plant that is supposed to be built on Scotia between Fourth and Fifth Avenues.

There is a significant deadline.  The residents want to force a major environmental assessment, and they want to halt the project before June 30th which is the deadline for the Federal Government handing over its share of the project.

PACHA, the Peoples Action Committee for Healthy Air says it will support all efforts to stop the energy plant.

According to Dr. Hay, the European experience has such plants built outside of urban airsheds, closer to a biomass source.  One woman in attendance said the real question is not is this is a bad idea for the bowl area of Prince George, but should such a facility be built in Prince George at all?

Former City Councillor Dan Rogers told the group he  is still a member of the Board  of the Community Energy Association. Rogers says  there are  many alternatives to a bio mass  burning system, like  geo thermal, and heat exchange. Rogers says while the City's plans to reduce greenhouse gases are admirable and ambitious,  the plans are not what the average person  supports  "I think if you ask the residents of this community if their priority is to reduce greenhouse gases and save the planet, or  to improve our air quality and save lives, the answer would be no surprise."


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Tell them the energy and heat will be used to support the street bums. Then how could they be so cruel and mean as to turn this plan down? Oh, boohoo the homeless and bums have such a hard life, can't we do something for them for a change? No one should be homeless or freeze in the cold. Does a little dust really matter that much when we could bring so much joy and comfort to those street bums? The heater system should be downtown where we have invested so much in making bums welcome. Can we really turn our back on the homeless now, after all doesn't the Backpacker site needs heat too? Lets not be so cruel! The heater could heat all the bums shelters and city hall!

Heehee! I bet even Dithering Dan will change his tune now.
I keep checking the calendar every time this story pops up. It has to be April first? Please tell me this is all a big prank. Surely none of our elected officials or city planners are so brain dead that they believe this is a good idea? Surely no one with an IQ greater than 20 believes this is a good idea?

I think that city hall is totally outguned on this issue. If you have ever experienced breathing problems you learn very quickly to appreciate good clean air. This project is totally unnecessary. It is part of the polititions ("Look at what we are doing for the environment, it makes us feel good so to hell with everybody else") narrow minded adjenda.
First step - rename the initiative:

Community Pollution System.

The politicians always have the advantage of labeling a bad idea with an appealing title, like "carbon tax" instead of "gas tax," or "patriot act" instead of "erosion-of-rights act that true patriots would fight against."
Yama; You sure like to stir things up - what a cynic.

Go for it Millar Addition. Time to look after people who are breathing the air. I am happy that Dr. Hay is taking the time to educate people. (Though it sounds like some are uneducable.)

Dithering Dan? I don't think so. His stand is clear and decisive, not only on this issue but other issues in the past. We should be so lucky if he considers running again for Council.
"Surely none of our elected officials or city planners are so brain dead that they believe this is a good idea? Surely no one with an IQ greater than 20 believes this is a good idea?"

A rhetorical question - to which the correct answer of course is: *Yes, they apparently are.*
The consensus is that if you pople with all the opinions on this site don't get out and support the people in the Miller Addition it will become another Backpacker issue with the city holding the reins.

This is not a Miller Additin problem this is a problem that will affect the enitre City and all those that live in it. This project is just the thin edge of the wedge. If it ever gets going it will not only be a health hazard it will also be another pot hole a bottom less pit for tax dollars.

Another question we need to ask is it economicaly viable? There are two recreation facilities the Four Season Pool and the Coliseum and the Citys record for running these operations in the red is well known. This begs the question will this project reduce the deficit or will it increase it even more.

And above all this is not the time to do these projects. Construction costs are at an alltime high at this time because the provincial economy has been in an upswing. We should be increasing our reserves and doing the building when the economy is in the dumper and construction cost are lower.

When the bids come in for the Cameron street bridge I will be able to say I told you so. I dont live in the Miller Addition I live up in Pincone sub. And I attended the meeting last night because they need our support. This dumb project will first effect our health and our tax dollars.

Cheers
Well my 2 cents worth, I was born in PG lived about an hour out of town in the mountains. Stayed in shape ate well.
Moved to the city breathing got bad now i am on diff types of puffers can't run very far or do vigerous work. I went to Alberta to work for the past 3 years and i breathe better untill i come home.

My mother moved to city and lived here for 5 years and ended up with Asthma.She later passed away.
Mother-inlaw Asthma died as a result.
Friends sister from the island moved to PG.After her 2 year she needed puffers. She since moved away and is breathing better again.
I can go on forever and it all points to the air in PG. Oh i forgot to mention that we all live or lived in the Bowl area!
Does anyone have Dr. Dykes data on the air polution in PG? If so would sure be nice to go over it again. I am sure that City Hall has it locked up and hidden from our eyes.
So ya to think that this plant is a good idea makes me wonder about our leaders of PG. I hope they make tons of money from this little project as we will need a bigger graveyard.One more reason why our home is up for sale.........
yep, first it starts at a target of 2.5ppm. In reality it sits at 4.5 ppm. But it has to be kept running because we have 15 million dollars invested into it.

5.3 million, won't even buy the equipment.

If it gets built outside of downtown at a mill, than it cost too much to move that hot water. If it is to produce electrical power, than it can be built anywhere, so don't do it down town.

Anyway, let the wood rot in the bush, it will help grow bigger trees in the future.
If it is built and all the people decide to burn it down, wouldn't they be hypocrites? Bunch of ninnies at city hall. Can't see past the next election. I say make them all get real jobs after November. Hizzoner too.
"Tell them the energy and heat will be used to support the street bums."

YDPC .... you are missing the obvious ...

1. move the plant out of the bowl
2. provide the homeless with free heat and energy at the plant

result

1. homeless are helped and the downtown has no more homeless.

;-)

My apologies to the rest of the crowd, but I just could not help but finish one of the potential outcomes to YDPC's scenario if coupled with a proposed plant location shift.
"The politicians always have the advantage of labeling a bad idea with an appealing title, like "carbon tax" instead of "gas tax," or "patriot act" instead of "erosion-of-rights act that true patriots would fight against."

I think they use George Orwell's "1984" as a bible.

;-)

Doublethink + newspeak = Doublespeakk
"Anyway, let the wood rot in the bush, it will help grow bigger trees in the future."

That would be going overboard in mimicking Mother Nature.

;-)
The evidence is overwhelming.. Is anybody at city hall listening?? Maybe we should spend some tax money and buy hearing aids for hizzoner and council.
Not a bad point Owl, I am wondering if the one tonne of emmissions is including the trucking to get the wood to the incinerator? If its such a great idea why not put it in the city hall parking lot? Fact is there are a couple people at city hall pushing this agenda but the people don't want it!!!!
Dr. Hay is very learned and I trust and respect her opinion.
The thing is that City Hall is pushing a half-baked idea. If they head done things in the right order, they would have said

1. here is what we are proposing ...

2. here is what we have now ....

3. here is the improvement that we will make ...

4. what does the community think ....

They have not done a single one of those four steps. The proposal is going ahead and when one asks for details, the info one gets depends on who you ask ..... they have not got ANY of their ducks in line.

So, the people are having a ball expressing their frustration.

City Hall is simply not good at this sort of process. They never have been in the last couple of decades and it is getting worse rather than better.
I think City Hall has lost the trust of the community.

:-(
you need to have something before you can lose it.....
Short of physically blocking access to the site when construction begins (and risking getting hauled away in cuffs), what can the average citizen do? We speak out on these forums, we write letters to the papers, we send e-mails to our elected officials, etc.

When will the people that are supposed to be REPRESENTING US start to listen? It's a bloody discrace.


It is interesting that this seems to be something with so little public process once again. If it has been in the works for years, why have we not seen the results of studies which show this is THE answer to reducing our GHG emissions and consumption costs. What has the city done to retrofit these public buildings? What other options have been considered and discarded because they will not be effective? Why is a solution that will add more particulates into 'everyones' airshed the best solution they can come up with? They need to demonstrate that this is the best course of action if they expect to have any public trust on their side.

This is everyone's airshed - and this is going to result in more emissions which have a cumulative impact. This is not just a Millar Addition issue, they just happen to bear the brunt of whatever emissions hit our city from the east and from within the bowl.

Our city's visionaries are severely impaired indeed. This is madness.
What information have the residents of PG really received about the proposed energy plant. What is its heating capacity? What type of fuel does it burn, bark, white wood? what is the anticpated moisture content of the fuel? Where does the fuel come from?
Without some very basic information
the prelimary design of a wood burning system can not even begin.
Each member of city council should come out publically and state whether they are in favour or not in favour of the project with out all the usually polical B.S. about proceeding cautiously. A simple yes or no. When the residents get to vote next fall the council members who are in favour can easily be voted out of office and very well should be. It is time for some new blood on council who will listen to the residents of PG. Maybe once these idiots are voted out of office we can give them jobs filling in the pot holes on the city streets.
Amazing isn't it. PG is booming but the largest tax increase in history is about to take place. Teresan money and a surcharge on our taxes and the roads in PG rate as probably the worst in the province. Maybe that's city councils claim to fame...worst roads and worst air.
Try getting re-elected on that ticket.
I think a better idea would be burn it way out of town and generate electricity instead. You wouldn't want to transfer heat that far, which is why they want to put it downtown.
Any local lawyers want to step up to the plate and help the citizens take on City Hall?
Local lawyers taking on city hall? Ha ha ha. Get real. Where do you think these lawyers get their business licences from? Wal Mart? Ha ha ha .
Some *expert* comments in the newspaper that the effect of the planned downtown wood burner on the air quality will be *negligible* !

Really? I have been trying to not idle my car in the Tim Hortons line-up by parking it and walking in to order. Looks like I am going back to the drive through lane again like before.

After all, judging by that expert's educated opinion my idling pollution contribution must be *infinitesimal* divided by microscopic.

What a relief that I don't have to worry anymore about being part of the solution.

It's appalling.

(Just kidding, of course...).