Well, here we are back in PG. Happy to be back, people are great as usual, friendly and outgoing, we missed that. But holly crap! Those potholes, my gawd! We didn't miss those and they seem to be the same ones but deeper than when we left five years ago.

I would like to hear from scientists and economists, not politicians and bureaucrats, regarding the planned community energy system.

I would like to hear from building operators and plant operators instead of economists. Plus scientists.

Spring is here again and soon there will be a lot of people out and about walking the dog, riding bikes, horses and motorcycles as well as kids out playing. I hope that we all keep our eyes open and show courtesy to one another by sharing the road. I used to be one of the ones riding a horse up and down the shoulder of the road and literally feared for my safety enough that I stopped. I live in a country setting and I observe the rules of the road, but I have had people deliberately try to scare my horse and it just isn't worth it. Most motorists know this, but please slow down and move over if possible, it only takes a second for a bicyclist to dodge a pothole or for a horse to spook and helmets can only do so much.

Especially palaeontologists ....
;-)

I am not a rider.

I have often wondered what the joy was of riding a horse along a modern road rather than a path.

I certainly get no joy from riding a bicycle along a road, nor do I get joy from walking along a road such as that unless there is a sidewalk set a few metres away from the road's edge.

Whatever became of the P.G.teenager that developed a method to turn plastic into asphalt for our roads?

I would like to know why everything takes so long...the Cameron Str Bridge for one...

Also, is there anyway to get industry out of downtown?? Why isn't industry all in one area like the "Industrial SITE". I think everything is there that needs to be i.e. RIVER. It seems you cannot escape industry in Prince George, it is EVERYWHERE!!!

To answer your question, Owl, I guess it really isn't about the joy of it but as a rider, I personally am looking for good, safe footing to ride on and the trails aren't passable yet and the outdoor arenas are still icy. Sometimes going down the road for a stretch is just to get to a trail or neighbor's house, or just to get to the corner store for some refreshment. In any case all of us have a right to be there and should feel safe doing it.

So, the NHA has made it absolutely a smoke free zone on all hospital, inclusive of parking lots.

I guess this will mean that people with minor ailments will not go to hospitals, and will likely die from not addressing the ailments when they could have, because they are smokers.

What about pregnant moms who smokes.

Looks like the NHA, wants to rule the world.

Robichal, I suppose your one of those people that has no idea, where your money comes from.

Robichal says-
" is there anyway to get industry out of downtown??"

You bet there is. Millar Addition oreganized a well functioning group, North Nechako organized a well functioning group. That's all we need. When citizens get together and state clearly what they want instead of being told after the fact, anything can happen.

We could probably start it happening right here on this site

So has anyone heard what is going on with the forestry round table.

"So has anyone heard what is going on with the forestry round table."

They are still counting the rings in the table to try to determine its age.

;-)

Robichal read Eagleone's post under "Public Invited to Comment on Dangerous Goods Route".

A Thermos can keep things hot or cold....How does it know the difference. LOL

"Looks like the NHA, wants to rule the world.

Smoking is a privilege, not a right. Good for Northern Health. Pregnant moms should think about quitting.

Does anyone know what a square red sticker on the side of a residential garbage can means? A guy on the next street has one on his.

"Does anyone know what a square red sticker on the side of a residential garbage can means? A guy on the next street has one on his."

Dangerous goods. You must live on Gunn Road!

My beef:
Carbon credits, and all the associated BULL that goes along with that idiotic concept. I heard on the CBC news this morning that the BC government is implementing a plan whereby heavy industry has to purchase 'carbon credits' equal to their total emissions. One credit per tonne of emission. What sense does that make? How is this scheme supposed to clean up our air? It sounds just as stupid as theoretically trading millar addition woodstoves for a biomass boiler, even if the net increase in particulate emission was nil, what difference would that have made to our environment? None, of course. Now, heavy industry costs of operation have to go up by the cost of purchasing credits, which puts more pressure on their profitability, potentially leading to eventual plant closure, and for what? Answer: No net benefit to the environment, unless you count the lack of emissions from a closed pulpmill. Why not put some of this wasted effort into actually doing something constructive? If you are going to hack at the bottom line of a major polluter, make them spend millions of dollars to reduce emissions, which would result in an actual benefit to the people, instead of millions of dollars purchasing something that does not exist and has no actual value? Same with the bul!@#t 3 cent tax on gasoline, what is it helping? Answer: putting more dollars in the government coffers. This crap has to stop.
metalman.

So ... Harper not going to summer olympics .....

can we suggest the same for our politicians?

square red sticker???


does it look like this?

http://www.dio.net/pictures_tickets/19851027_support_red_square.jpg

or like this?

http://www.usaplaza.com/City_Morgue_Gift_Shop/_products/Biohaz4x4.jpg

or this?

http://www.brickhousepaperie.com/images/pi_17577.gif

Posted by: whineo on April 4 2008 8:38 AM
Does anyone know what a square red sticker on the side of a residential garbage can means? A guy on the next street has one on his.


Perhaps a reflector so people will see it and not run it over in the dark.

Owl...you need a vacation!

I'm working on the city's business license bylaw. It seems to be systemically unfair, with arbitrary classifications and distinctions that have no real value.

Also, they assume land use based on business type which is absurd in the global economy of the 21st century.

If businesses are blocks, the clerks put the red blocks in the red pile and blue blocks in the blue pile. But when there is a purple block, and no purple classification, they sometimes put it in the red pile, sometimes in the blue, and sometimes, as in my case, make you pay twice to be in both the red and blue piles.

The bylaw and implementation of it is confused on whether business structure or business activity (land use) is being regulated; and when there are multiple activities sometimes they can all "fit" under one category, and sometimes not.

The current classification-based system is overly complex, lacks imagination, is arbitrary, inconsistent and unfair.

I'll be meeting with Ken Craig at the City to see what can be done, but I suspect it will take an audience with council to point out what's broken with the current system and to propose my much simpler model.

owl... the sticker is maybe 2 inch square, plain red... maybe it is for reflection but my evil mind wonders... this guy's bin is large and has been overful lots. and he works for the city...

LMAO I met with Craig once regarding noise bylaw problems. I think he was wearing earplugs during our meeting.
Useless pos

I seen a survey about smokers (was an American one) that said '9 out of 10 males that tried Camels preferred women'

Bumper sticker seen on the back of a big crew cab (with a big tidy tank) 'cut it burn it and pave it'.

"Owl...you need a vacation!"

Can someone direct me to a program which will fund research on red stickers throughout the world? :-)

Owl, check with the Mare.

Cheers

BC's new cap and trade, a new currency to help the rich get ........RICHER!

On a more serious note, I think we need to get our priorities straight. Reading the paper today I noticed a complete lack of coverage of the CBC story on drugs in PG babies. Maybe they are waiting to do it on Saturday but I think it should have been given SOME coverage today. I do hope they cover the whole issue extensively this weekend. Maybe then they could do some relevant editorials. One has to wonder when you read the papers these days. We have had some really bad news coming out of PG with regard to drugs, crime, gangs and now infant welfare, not to mention the air quality (and our high cancer rates). Yet it seems people are more interested in talking about global warming, the olympics, house prices and potholes.
I am a serious PG booster, even though i live just outside city limits. I want PG to thrive but not as a crime center, or a gang hub or as a negative medical statistic on the CBC.

I don't know about the teenager involved, but I know that the "plastic + asphalt" didn't work out.

Last year I participated in the Stroll For Liver walk/run. I was first contacted about it through MySpace.com by Amanda Molson who works for the Liver Foundation.

It was the first time they had come to P.G. and the turn out was not too bad considering it was the first time. May 31 it is being held at Fort George Park once again. Would be nice to see a bigger turnout :) Money raised is money much needed.

I'm putting together a team again this year. If any of you would like give up your identity then you are more than welcome to join my team. If not you can create your own teams. :)

www.liver.ca

For more information :)

About two years ago some one suggest I put a certain four words into my search engine. I did. I "Googled" those four words and wouldn't ya know it, My eyes were opened a little wider then. The four words? "Mormons baptizing dead Jews". That's all. After reading enough to comprehend the gist of the matter, open that cobweb laced cellar door and let yer open and broad mind inhale this information. Bring out your understanding and belief system. Pretend yer Mr. Spock on the deck of the Starship Enterprise and wrap his kind of logic coupled alongside yer personal beliefs, and as the hippies used to say, "Wrap yer head around this, man". Draw yer own conclusions. I dried mine. Betcha din't know that Hitler AND Anne Frank are now Mormons. Interesting. To say the least.

Heidi, we need an Amphibex that can keep the ice off the river in the winter and FIX POTHOLES the rest of the year!

There's got to be a better way than the shovel-broom-pail with the black mix-tamping tool crew which I have seen only once this year in our moonscaped area of the city?

This is the year 2008, I believe!

I didn't dry my conclusions. I drew them. Duh!

"We have had some really bad news coming out of PG with regard to drugs, crime, gangs and now infant welfare, not to mention the air quality (and our high cancer rates)."

And I get to hear that each time I call my father in Ottawa. My parents really wonder why I choose to live here.

Interestingly, during the last two visits I have looked around in Ottawa to try to answer that for myself once more. Each time I have come up with the conclusion I made the right move some 35 years ago.

However, from the physical point of view - air and visual quality, and increasingly from the lack of sensitivity of the municipal government to the citizens, I would have to say that the scale is tipping more and more the other way.

Whineo: "Does anyone know what a square red sticker on the side of a residential garbage can means? A guy on the next street has one on his."

Perhaps this is your answer?

From this topic: http://www.opinion250.com/blog/view/8925/1/city++tries+to+tackle+garbage+problem+with+humour

"Overstuffed cans will be tagged and provided with information on the location of the nearest recycling depot. The next steps will be much more serious and will include leaving the carts behind for the homeowner to take to the landfill or transfer station themselves.

If the City has to come back to deal with the trash, the responsible homeowner could face a fine of up to $75."

"but I know that the "plastic + asphalt" didn't work out."

from the linked site below come these interesting words:
"The real issue is how many times do pure hunches alone lead to legendary success? The answer upon closer inspection: pretty rarely."

and these:
"We know from experience that new product and service ideas come from everywhere... But what happened after he received his divine inspiration? "

http://www.changethis.com/43.02.PowerIntuition

But hey, it made for an exciting good news story of the day, week, month, year .....

nice site bohemian ..... :-)

hehe I hear ya Diplomat. An all-in-one type design would be great to see and even more fun to operate. :)
I betcha there are some great minds out there this very second coming up with more designs.

Harbinger
I remember watching the History channel last year sometime and not sure if i'm remembering this correctly but wasn't Hitler so crazy because he went untreated for so many years with Syphilis?

I'm still old & I still hate everything.

Me too, D.to Soc. Welcome to the club.
Please exempt beer from hate though.
Thank you.
metalman.

OK - I hate most things. But I love beer. And scotch. Scotch dulls the hate. At least I still have my oldness. I hate being old. Hate hate hate.....

I would like to welcome the newest member of the opinion 250 team.
Welcome Daisy!

All you guys that complain all the time better take a step back and count your blessings that you live in this fine community. PG may not be the prettiest place in BC but it sure does have the best people.

Carbon credits, cap and trade. Now our industries will get hit with these higher costs and pass them on to you know who. Does China and India pay these? Nope. Do you buy stuff from China and India? Yep. Does Al Gore make piles of money off this? Yep. Is the earth warming? Nope. Is the earth on a cooling trend? Yep. Are the polar bears dying? Nope. Is the sea level rising? Nope. Does Al Gore have a new water front condo in San Fran. paid from his carbon credits company? Yep. Does the media report information from the other side of the global warming debate? Nope. Is the public getting sucked in? Yep.

Re: Pothole machine...punch in "pothole repair machine" into google. Lots of info. Trouble is the union, it might displace one of those shovel operators and the 2 or 3 guys that usually stand and watch.

That's pretty neat giterdun and $100,000.00 U.S. seems pretty cheap compared to some things.

Train the shovel operator and his "watchers" to run the pothole repair machine. Would be nice to have more than one man/woman that knows how to run the thing. Then recycle the "shovel" machine thingy down to a smaller community that has less roads to worry about.

Wow, I need a machine to scrape me off of my computer chair :( This site is too addicting. Making myself sign out for the weekend...save some energy...lol. Have a great weekend everyone and go find your walking shoes for May 31 Stroll For Liver ;) :)

Back to the plastic aggregate for asphalt pavement.

Here is patent application from 1995
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5702199.html

Actually the plastic pavement was a success. Now to refine the process though so it can be made cheaper. That is the issue at this time.

All about the city energy plant.

So we don't know the operating costs,the fuel costs,the ash disposal costs,the maintenance costs, the installed cost including piping, the location, the combustion technology, and the expected revenue. Looks like a real winner to me. Amazing after only seven years of hard work by city hall staffers we know so much. Rates right up there with pumping extra water into the Nechako and the tunnel to no where downtown.

Aparently the mayor has now said it will generate $40,000.00 in revenue the first year. WOW. The city's estimated cost is 8.3 million and we all know you can tack another million or so onto that.

Lets see, put the 8.3 million in the bank at 4% interest and you generate $332,000.00 in interest. Makes sense to me you would spend 8.3 million to save $40,000.00. Fanastic rate of return on investment 1/2 of 1%. maybe Colin should be in Mutual funds sales. Then again, he probably will be after the November election.

@ Resident;

Good analysis. Very few at City Hall are any good at math. Or systems (process) design. It causes us all a lot of grief, wasted money and wasted energy.

I think the proper term, borrowed from my time in the military, is Clusterf*ck.

I am surprised that this concept of a community energy plant even got off the ground. I would like to know how many taxpayers' dollars have been spent on this proposal so far.

It does not make much sense to me to be building an energy plant which according to one article I read is going to be burning 4000 tonnes of wood waste every year, in the Prince George bowl area, which has one of the most polluted airsheds in the whole country, even if "it only adds one tonne of particulates to the airshed every year"

I would like to thank Councillor Debora
Munoz for her motion at last Monday's City Council meeting (as I understand it) where she tried to stop the building of any energy plant that contributes to the worsening of the quality of the Prince George air quality. I would like to also thank Councillor Brian Skakon for supporting this motion. Unfortunately this motion failed to pass.

I am also surprised Councilor Don Zurowski did not support Councillor Debora Munoz's motion. Up until now I (and I am sure a lot of other people) thought Councillor Don Zurowski would be an excellent choice for the position of Mayor of Prince George. I think it is unfortunate that Councillor Don Zurowski does not realize the terrible air quality in Prince George is bad enough, and it does not need to get worse.

How about the city of Vancouver garbage collectors that crushed the homeless fellows only world posessions including two shopping carts today in Vancouver.
It was on Global news at 6.
Global made a real big deal about it.
The really freakin ignorant thing about it.
The Global tv camera man that was filming it didn't even attempt to stop them.

As Charles says:
"4000 tonnes of wood waste every year, in the Prince George bowl area, which has one of the most polluted airsheds in the whole country, even if "it only adds one tonne of particulates to the airshed every year"
Operative word here is BOWL
Nothing more ever in the bowl, I don't know how we had the patience to put up with it this long.
Enough is enough.

Resident: "So we don't know the operating costs,the fuel costs,the ash disposal costs,the maintenance costs, the installed cost including piping, the location, the combustion technology, and the expected revenue."

We do know that a minimum of one tonne of fine particulates will be emitted. Do we know the maximum? No. Is that important?

That's not a problem. Go ahead and build it and ask questions later!

Diplomat. The City of Grand Praire has a machine specifically designed to repair pot holes. Much more efficient than our system.

One of the local parking lot, business's went to Grande Prairie last week to look at this machine with a view of buying one to maintain parking lots.

Maybe when the ***Grande Pubas*** return from China they could do something construcive, like stop off at Grande Prairie and look at this machine.

How come we can't post in the transexual is found thread?

"How come we can't post in the transexual is found thread?" lostfaith asks.

Probably because a few people who post on this site would use it to make hate comments. If you can't post then Ben and Elaine can't get into trouble.