Too bad, that the three involved, weren't killed. Good that no one else got involved in the accident.

I second that whitewater.

whitewater the girl in the car was about 17 someone's little girl get a brain idiot

Ya to bad he never got a oneway ticket to harp land! As far as the lil 17 year old.ahh duhh she knows better...parrents need a slap in the head for letting her hang with riff raff.

Bring back the good ole spankings!

She may have be only 17 and somebodies little girl, but she needs her butt kicked bigtime!
She knows damn well who she is hanging out with, so don't be throwing nasties at people who are not sympathetic!
That's part of the damn problem.
Too many people making excuses for a kid who is old enough to know better!
Obviously make some bad choices.

Another girl who likes bad boys. After shes knocked up and dumped at the side of the road the wining will start.

Knocked up and on welfare,,,,it goes on and on huh........

Posted by: getajob on May 2 2008 8:44 PM
Ya to bad he never got a oneway ticket to harp land! As far as the lil 17 year old.ahh duhh she knows better...parrents need a slap in the head for letting her hang with riff raff.

Bring back the good ole spankings!

Another one that blames parents.
Do some of you people really think parents
have any say in what their kids do? Give your head a shake.
All the bleeding hearts in the country have taken that right away from parents.

What ya going to do tie them up in the basement?....Illegal
Spank them....Illegal
Some people really don't have a clue.

Ahh ya you can deal with your child. We never worried about the rules. Kid misbehaved got spanking...Moral she got 4 in her life..Was raised proper so ya its the parents fault simple. you make em you raise em. You teach them morals,values ect.to say that you cant is a copout!

So the cops state the subject is known to them, but release no name to help track the creep down.

So maybe he is not so well known to the tim hortons boys after all if they do not even know his name.

I have to agree with Getajob and everyone else who thinks that the parents are to blame for this 17 year old girl. It all starts when the kids are really young. I've always said, I hate "other peoples kids". You know why? Because I can't discipline other peoples kids. There's nothing that drives me more crazy than seeing a parent that lets their child get away with everything. Guess what folks, it bleeds through into their teens and then they start to take advantage of that.

Discipline these kids at a young age, teach them to respect people ( especially the elderly ) and show them what is right and wrong. Don't let them whine their way into getting what they want. Good god, I could go on all night, but I'll leave it at that!

That 17 year old on coke, involved in crime, and demanding attention in a hospital while others wait, is someone’s little girl, and to others a waste of skin…..I hope this changes her life and she becomes a better person…..josh81

Lets tally this blog up...

8 posters
2 bleeding hearts
6 hard noses
Too bad the country wasn't run by the majority hord noses. So sad, the minority bleeding hearts seem to control us. SOMETHING IS WRONG FOLKS.

I,m not a hard nose (am I?) but i will add my voice to those advocating parents responsibility. If you dont want to take responsibility for your kids, dont have them. Its true you cant cantrol the actions of a 17 year old. However, as a parent you are the one most responsible for making that 17 year old the way she is. Teach her respct for her parents and others in society. Develope her brain and common sense and for gods sake don't teach her that her misdeeds are not her fault. I think this whole country needs to start taking responsibility for themselves and their loved ones. Contrary to NDP proclamations the state is a lousy parent.
Parents: if you kid is on hard drugs, or has a significant criminal record, or is a hardcore bully, or a drug dealer or stabs people.....You are largely to blame.

Children all grow up to blame their parents for everything that is wrong in their life anyway, so we may as well take responsibility for it now.

I do agree caranmacil - parents have to take responsibility. If something happens in your home, under your watch, YOU are responsible. If your child is involved with riff raff and gets involved in crime - YOU are responsible for not knowing where they are, who they are with and not keeping tabs. Yep - kids do end up doing what they want, and they can get into trouble despite the best efforts of the parents, but bottom line, if a child learns early in life to be responsible, respectful and considerate, they will carry it through into their teens and will know how to make good choices. They will value themselves and others enough to know the difference from right and wrong and walk away.

I have been accused of being naive on this site - however, I do have three teenagers varying in age and I know where they are, who they are with, the parents of their friends, where to find them. My son encountered a situation and he walked away, called me to go and get him. I don't claim to be a perfect parent, but I must be doing something right.

Get involved, be present, ask questions, and yes, be nosy - it's your job.

Those of you that think the parents are always to blame are insane. You are entitled to your opinion even if you are frikken clueless. I know of lots of kids that were perfect little angels for most of their teenage lives and then like someone clicked a switch, bang, brown stuff hits the fan. But I suppose you will say it's the parents fault. Cause thats the easy thing to say and you know the facts.
Most people that say it's the parents fault either don't have kids or have kids that have never been in any kind of trouble. Then you're lucky.
Wow, you all must be super adults cause you know all the answers.
Say what you like about teaching values and morals and all that good stuff. If the kids don't give a shit ,they don't give a shit, simple really.
Stop using all Parents as scapegoats because some of their children are losers.
It's not always their fault.
Chances are it's your children dragging mine into the bad shit out there and you don't have a clue.
Look in the mirror a little more often.

Posted by: getajob on May 2 2008 10:38 PM
Ahh ya you can deal with your child. We never worried about the rules. Kid misbehaved got spanking...Moral she got 4 in her life..Was raised proper so ya its the parents fault simple. you make em you raise em. You teach them morals,values ect.to say that you cant is a copout!

Did someone say they can't teach kids morals, values, etc?
You can teach kids all kinds of great things, whether or not they use them is another thing and not the parents fault if the kids choose not to use what they were taught.

If you lay a hand against your children or anyone this day and age you can be charged with assault, plain and simple, and the children know it.

Thats thanks to the bleeding hearts in this country.
You know, like the ones that say it's the parents fault.

It's time all these kids stood up and took responsibility for their actions.

Caranmacil writes..." Develope her brain and common sense and for gods sake don't teach her that her misdeeds are not her fault."

Thats right teach her that her misdeeds are her parents fault. Just like you have clearly stated.It's the parents fault. LMAO
Kind of a contradictory statement don't ya think?

We do not need more jails! We need to bring back public flogging!! Solve alot of problems quickly!! Short of that, bring the strap back to the school! And as for you josh81, you and people that think like you, ARE THE PROBLEM!! A public flogging for you and all the members of your "Bleeding Hearts Club", would surely be warranted!! Then, and only then, will you understand, the pain that we, as good upstanding citizens, feel every day, as our lives are affected by crime in this city!! Our homes are being broken into, sometimes as we sleep!! Our automobiles are falling under the same criminal activity!! It is not safe to walk down our streets, anytime of the day or night!! Think that is wrong???? My mother, who is now nearing 90 years old, was rolled out side of Esthers Inn, 10 years ago!! In case you can't do the math, she was 80!! It was 11:45 AM!! I hope josh81, you re-think your position on this one!! Quit defending these thugs! The bleeding hearts way, does not work!! It is time you pulled your heads out of the proverbial dark hole!! You are part and parcel to the problem!!

one more thing I forgot to say!!

josh81, you should really get a brain, even a used one, would be better than nothing for you!!

I'm not a parent and I don't claim to be an expert when it comes to childrearing by any means, but I remember when I started to flex my independent, I'll never get caught muscle, (I think I was about 17 as well) and when I did get caught, who was I the most scared of? My parents. It wasn't because they were going to beat me or lock me in a room for days, it was because of the dissapointment in their eyes when I was brought home and that was worse than any punishment. I knew at that age and that moment that I was doing something wrong and I knew because of the actions and words of my parents. My parents worked full-time, so hence I was a latch-key kid and I was responsible for myself after school. My parents worked hard, so I grew up knowing you had to work hard for whatever you wanted in life. My parents treated people with respect, so hence I grew up understanding that's how you treat people. My parents led by example and I can only hope that I'll one day become a parent like them.
I'm not saying parents are solely the cause for kids getting into trouble but they have a part to play in a child's youth just as our overworked school teachers do, overworked youth counsellors, under subsidized youth outreach programmes. Society is me-only society and we have truly lost the community that kept us safe.