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Trails System Survey Just Doesn't Cut It

By Ben Meisner

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 03:46 AM

When I hear the words "extensive survey was conducted" it always leads me to look at the number of people who had responded out of our entire population and how those numbers were obtained.

The Prince George Centennial Project is hoping to hold a referendum to have over $7 million spent on the City's trail system.

The survey that leads to that request reports that ”a total of approximately 325 trail surveys were completed”. Now right off the bat you might want to ask yourself is 325 surveys real or just approximate?

Then you read "81% of the respondents use trails at least once a week". Please don’t extrapolate that to suggest that 80% of the people of the City use trails, at least once a week that would mean about 5,000 people a day on the trails and that folks is just not happening. In winter, the survey says 51% of the people use the trails, so that figure is reduced to 2500 a day, again just not happening.

So what have we?  Well a survey that is designed to bring you the kind of results that would allow you to ask the City for $7 million bucks to build new trails. Of the people that attended the meetings to deal with the trail system,”APPROXIMATELY” 325 took time to respond to the survey even though they were there for that specific purpose.

It is a classic, unlike the Ice oval, to suggest that the whole community is involved in walking the trails when it is not.

If the City wants to conduct a survey, do a legitimate one, which will show that the citizens want, good fire protection, good policing and good roads . Until we can get beyond those three basics, trying to sell us a $7 million dollars trail system just doesn’t cut it.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.  


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As someone quite experienced in market research and appropriate conduct of a survey, Ben makes a valid point.
If this survey was geared solely to improving existing trails then one would want to conduct a customer satisfaction style survey. You interview the users. For this survey to be accurate one needs to know how many users there are. On the surface, you can claim that it is a significant survey but as Ben suggests when you are using taxpayer dollars to DEVELOP trails one needs to consider the entire population. All citizens should have received this survey and given the opportunity to participate. When interpreting the data please bear in mind that the survey is skewed to existing trail users on existing trails. Also, before deciding which trails to improve or develop be sure to understand how the suggestions came about for the NEW areas and why. Did they interview the population in the neighborhood for the suggested trail? Was the survey random? Was it targeted to users on existing trails? (By the sounds of it this is what occured but I have no idea if this is actually the case, so my assumptions are based on this.)
That being said, the data is not invalid, just know that 325 completed surveys is only significant if the correct group was targeted and interviewed appropriately. :)
Sorry, missed a word. Last sentence should have read:
"That being said, the data is not NECESSARILY invalid, just know..."
Will the trails have fewer potholes than the streets?
I agree, the survey sounds a little suspect.... BUT, perhaps if some federal or provincial beetle money were added to offset the costs perhaps it could help provide employment to our unemployed forest workers.

If a wicked trail system were developed it might be possible to develop something of a tourism industry here in Prince George.

Just a thought because we are going to have to have something to do once we are no longer "Hewers of wood" which in case nobody has noticed is happening now.....
Well said tinyapplecork. The sampling is far too small. We need valid city wide surveys. Very often the survey results seem to coincide with the City's preferences rather than the taxpayer's. Are you running for Council?
Does the potholed patch of pavement in front of Granmas Inn and the Highway 97 exit count as a trail?
Beetle money to offset, shake your head and think again.
Tourism from where? Someone gonna drive to PG paying $1.50 a litre gas just to take a walk over our trails? I doubt it. Unemployed forestry workers can take them on guided walks and tell them stories about the old days? That oughta sell.
Fix the roads first, then look at the trails.

Let's get our priorities straight here.
This is hilarious. Trails are going to bring people to our city? ha ha. I love it. We really do have a bunch of idiots running our city. When will we all wake up and get rid of these morons.

Build something in this city that will attract people from all over the province. Build a massive indoor water park, an amusement park of sorts. What about trying to make places like Powder King and Purden more resort like? These are the kind of things that will potentially bring tourists to our fair city. Not trails. Build something that people can't already get in "their" city. It's pretty simple. Why do people visit Edmonton? For the scenery? no. They go to check out the mall. Mmmmmm makes sense eh?

Just sayin.
If you were to conduct a survey at City Hall between 8:00 AM and 10:00 PM about the usefullness of City Hall employees, I bet 95% of the respondents will say they are useful!
Add one more trail to the list of PG trails: It's called Glengarry/Croft Road/Cook Crescent. Long sections of 5th Avenue and 10th Avenue are basically beyond patching and re-patching - it's a disgrace.

"Fix the roads first, then look at the trails. Let's get our priorities straight here."

Common sense would dictate that, but.....it's
not happening.
Diplomat

It's not our priorities that need to be straightened out.
It's the priorities of all the special interest groups that need to be straightened out.
Some seem to think our tax dollars are there for anyone to use for their own special little projects.

You trail builders want new trails?
Build them with your own money or wait until the rest of us taxpayers have finished paying for the important things around here.
Foo asks: Are you running for Council?

lol...hmm...has crossed my mind on occasion!
However I recently discovered the definition of politics: poli = many; tics = blood sucking insects

In all seriousness Foo, I haven't given it serious consideration. The interest is there, just not sure if I'm ready. I am very opinionated and lack tact on occasion. So, alas, I am not a great schmoozer! hehe
This is hilarious. Trails are going to bring people to our city? ha ha. I love it. We really do have a bunch of idiots running our city. When will we all wake up and get rid of these morons.

Build something in this city that will attract people from all over the province. Build a massive indoor water park, an amusement park of sorts. What about trying to make places like Powder King and Purden more resort like? These are the kind of things that will potentially bring tourists to our fair city. Not trails. Build something that people can't already get in "their" city. It's pretty simple. Why do people visit Edmonton? For the scenery? no. They go to check out the mall. Mmmmmm makes sense eh?

Just sayin.
Lostfaith, you have a good point. The priorities of special interest groups get way too much attention and we end up paying the bills.

Trails are NOT going to bring visitors from far away to our city just to walk our trails!

"The Prince George Centennial Project is hoping to hold a referendum to have over $7 million spent on the City's trail system."

A referendum? How about a referendum on eliminating potholes with the 7 million dollars?

I counted a dozen suspension cruncher potholes just in the north lane of Austin Road West and a short section of South Kelly Road - they have been there for several weeks!

How about making THAT a priority?

Perhaps visitors to our fair city will even be tempted to return for another visit once our streets and roads are passable and up to 21st century standards and they don't have to dodge potholes and dilapidated highways to get here.
"Trails are NOT going to bring visitors from far away to our city just to walk our trails!"

Not until the Heritage River trail is rebuilt or another trail gets sanctioned.

You may not have heard of Volksporters. It is the German or European version of Participaction, or visa versa since Volksporting was born in the mid 1960s and participaction was founded in 1971.

For those who are ardent Volksporters, they travel the province, the country and the world to complete different circuits which they can then check off in their log book. Only sanctioned routes are accepted.

PG has a sanctioned course - 12 km heritage river trail. Except it is now closed.

http://www.volkssportingbc.ca/bcyres2008/VABC_2008_YREs_Listed_by_City.htm#PRINCE_GEORGE

http://www.volkssportingbc.ca

So, for those who are into showing off a full log book to people, they would have to come to PG.

Neat trick, eh? And everyone was wondering why the hotels were always filled. ;-)
Trails are NOT the priority for PG right now. Sure I agree that it is something that needs to be addressed at some point AFTER the following:

(simultaneous ordering)

Roads in this city; River Road; Cottonwood Island Park; Dangerous Goods Route; Air Quality (ie enforcement by Environmental agencies and beefing up bylaws to force industry to comply); pedestrian friendly sidewalks; wheelchair accessibility; snow clearing; parking; bike lanes; social housing...

Those are priorities imo. Maintain the existing trails and protect our infrastructure along the river...and FOR CRYING OUT LOUD...dredge and remove debris!!!
PS. Dan Rogers is chair of the committee that put this survey on the table.