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Experience the Real Issue With Taser Use

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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:02 AM

Prince George, B.C. -  The final report on taser use, delivered by Chair of the Commission for Complaints Against the RCMP  stopped short of calling for a moratorium on taser use saying the police already have a wide range of methods available to them to defuse situations. Instead, Paul Kennedy is calling for the  weapon to be only placed in the hands of the more experienced officer.
“No one is calling for the police to be disarmed, clearly in my mind it has a risk, but the risk in fatal outcome is less than having been shot twice in the chest.”   “My preference is to approach it on the basis that there may be a risk to it, where in some cases there may be a fatal outcome, but it is less likely to be fatal than a gun.”
 The key says Kennedy is experience, that the public wants officers to use the best judgement. “To equip junior officers with this device before they have learned real life experience is unfair to the public and to the officer.”
Kennedy says senior officers have years of experience which allow them to make a better assessment of the situation. He says in rural settings (populations of less than 5,000) a constable with 5 years experience should be allowed to use the weapon, and in major centers, a Corporal should be allowed to have a taser.
According to the data examined, (which Kennedy says is faulty) the  person tasered is usually a male in his 20’s, “Typically there has been alcohol involved, and the tasering took place in the early hours of the morning on Friday or Saturday, what does that sound like to you? In most cases, people have been tasered in cases of public disturbance. We have dealt with this kind of behaviour since man discovered fire water, or whatever the elixir was of the day without using tasers, and I have problems with some of the data, when someone as young as 13 is tasered or someone 80 is tasered.”
He says he has 117 reports which outline how 13, 14, 15 and 16 year olds were tasered.  "I have a report of a 14 year old girl fleeing from a car who was tasered, another of a 14 year old being tasered 4 times, and a 16 year old  tasered 5 times."
So if young officers can have guns, why not tasers?   “Good question,” says Kennedy “There are certain taboos and there will be some officers who, have gone through their entire career without having drawn their gun.” He says they do not draw the gun because of the understanding it can be fatal, and the officer understands there are consequences. “Clearly the use of a gun brings with it its own respect, and the taser does not.”
In the end, Kennedy says the matter is one of policy, and the public has the right to say what is or isn’t acceptable.  “You have a say in what kind of policing you want. The citizen does not have the burden of officer safety, and the people are saying the current use of the taser is unacceptable.”   He says if the people do not have a say, “Then what will be introduced tomorrow to enforce the law?”
 The recommendations are not legally binding.
 

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Well, the RCMP already use their guns at will right now. If there were Taser's who knows what would happen! People would be getting zapped left right and center in this town. The advantage of this case for the RCMP would be that the individual suffered from a long occuring heart condition and that is why they became deceased during an altercation with RCMP.
“You have a say in what kind of policing you want. The citizen does not have the burden of officer safety, and the people are saying the current use of the taser is unacceptable."

I'm Joe Public and I think Tasers are acceptable, and the same for guns.

As for a concern about tasering young people, I'd sooner have them caned like they do in India, but tasering will have to do. There isn't much danger to health of young ones in either case, but both measures should get their attention. Caning is better as the anticipation is greater than the punishment.

Very young people are capable of murder, so if the police have the slightest concern over a young persons behaviour, taser them.
"..He says in rural settings (populations of less than 5,000) a constable with 5 years experience should be allowed to use the weapon,.."

What officer with 5 years experience is going to go to a place like Ft Ware for example? Lots of crazy stuff goes on there. The government can't get nurses or teachers to go near the place. Supplies of guns, drugs and booze on a regular basis makes for a scary place. There are lots of these less than 5,000 people places that the government pumps enough money into regularly to keep these villages in a constant state of hell.

These hell holes are popping up in the NWT now. Two officers killed last year, one in Hay River and one up in the Arctic. The southern culture has moved north. The northern postings used to be pretty safe friendly places to finish off the retirement years, but not anymore.

Kennedy is full of hot air....doesn't have any idea what cops go up against on a regular basis ie: recent Ft St John Busts.
He doesn't know s**t about s**t.
I disagree..he seems to know some s**t IMO lmorg.
A brush up on the meaning of experience:
direct observation of or participation in events as a basis of knowledge b: the fact or state of having been affected by or gained knowledge through direct observation or participation.

So until these young/rookie officers (or even some of the senior officers who have yet proven they gained enough knowledge) have enough knowledge gained then it should be paws off this deadly weapon.
Say folks I think you have missed the point. Isen't the tazer supposed to be used if the cop is under threat. A 14 year old girl running away is a threat. Maybe she is considering the size of cops being hired now. Tazer use is out of control and is being used outside its mandate.
well said heidi and seamutt! The taser is a second last resort in the toolbox of an officer (the last being their gun). Taser use has gotten outta control. I think Kennedy's recommendations are reasonable.
Doesn't mean they will be adopted by the RCMP.Some will and some won't. I would bet that in the end most if not all officers will be carrying them.They are not paid to roll around on the ground fighting with people. Anything to prevent the officers from being injured is a good thing.
"Anything to prevent the officers from being injured is a good thing."

Is that what they brainwash you with? Nice mentality. Now I agree officers being injured is not a nice thing to have happen but "Anything"?? Some of these cases being talked about should not have taser in the equation therefore not all officers are street smart enough to carry these weapons. A firefighter may get burned, a nurse may get attacked by his/her patient and a police officer may have to roll around on the ground to cuff the person. Get with the program or get out.
Thought Heidi would be in favor of a taser especially in the case of St. Arnaud.
If the use of a taser, pepper spray baton etc can prevent an injury to an officer then by all means use it. Contrary to public opinion the job can get nasty and not all can be resolved with verbal judo, teddy bears or rasberry scones.A police officer must take all measures to prevent injury to him/herself. If they are injured then how can they be useful to protect coddled folks such as yourselves?
So the officer was gonna be injured when a teenager ran AWAY from a cop...hmmm...think you miss the point chilako. Officers also have a duty to public safety and that includes the use of REASONABLE force at all times. It is the choices made by certain officers in a given set of circumstances that is at issue and the rules that are/aren't in place when using a weapon by said officer. Not all officers are morons but some have not done the RCMP proud by causing unnecessary harm to certain individuals. That needs to stop. The first step is to implement the recommendations the next is to ensure that ALL officers are trained in this procedure. The public is ticked that an officer would use a taser in a traffic stop, or on a child, or in an airport on a confused person. Chilako pull your head outta your *** and get a grip on the real issue.

(It is comments like chilako's that make the public despise the RCMP)
I see you got the jab at you lmorg "(or even some of the senior officers who have yet proven they gained enough knowledge)"

Well see Kevin's case is the perfect one to bring up lmorg. He had his hands in the air. Sheremetta couldn't handle a taser believe me and looks like he never will.

I just can't get over how cute you are...maybe we should meet for coffee one day. You can look me in the eye like a real man and I can look you in the eye and think to myself wtf??? I assume you work in P.G.?

Why on earth do people still believe that our blue slugs perform a protective service? Take Vancouver. Cops admit that they take 12 minutes to arrive at a major crime incident. On arrival they access the CORNET and Versadex databases, and conduct a lame 9-1-1 text, address, suspect, firearms, and informant (yes, the complainant or crime reporter). Then, they assess if backup is needed, to prevent anyone from mussing their precious hair.

Surely everybody has seen cops entering data on a computer. Surely some of who had the common sense to question why this sluggery became necessary. Prior to the eighties, cops were dispatched and answered calls. Now those worthless slugs decide how they are going to answer a call. I don't call cops "pigs," because pork is useful.

Cops don't serve and protect; they disserve and jeopardize. They are running the biggest scam in Free World history. MONEY FOR LESS THAN NOTHING. Police service would have to step up 10 degrees to become worthless.
some of the recomendations seem to be reasonable, in that there seems to be a lot of controversy over tasers, and when the RCMP cant produce the paper work to justify their use, you wonder why?
The age and experience recomendations, I am not so sure about. How many old dog cops do you see out on the street? I think that once they have 5 plus years of experience they are no longer on the road.. they are in specialized sections by then.
"Truth"... what bad dealings have you had with the police..

From your attitude it would seem you may have broken the law a few times in your life eh.
heidi1555 says "..I just can't get over how cute you are...maybe we should meet for coffee one day. You can look me in the eye like a real man and I can look you in the eye and think to myself wtf??? I assume you work in P.G.?.."

Looks like Heidi1555 is hoping for a coffee shop brawl. Taser anyone?
See how you automatically think there has to be a fight Yama...part of the problem right there.
Imorg, I couldn't help but notice that everytime you are challenged by Heidi's point of view, you resort to a cruel and insensitve reference to Kevin St, Arnaud. Do you have issues with women who have a brain and speak out?

Heidi no coffee, Yama may have a point there about the presence of a Taser.

Off topic, Heidi, our adorable little Girl was delivered on Father's Day, 7lbs-13ozs and both are doing well. Leaving hospital in a few hours, so off I go.
Imorg, I couldn't help but notice that everytime you are challenged by Heidi's point of view, you resort to a cruel and insensitve reference to Kevin St, Arnaud. Do you have issues with women who have a brain and speak out?

Heidi no coffee, Yama may have a point there about the presence of a Taser.

Off topic, Heidi, our adorable little Girl was delivered on Father's Day, 7lbs-13ozs and both are doing well. Leaving hospital in a few hours, so off I go.
Sorry, trigger happy this morning.
Thanks pisspulper feels nice that you have my back and awwwww congrats to you and your wife!!!

:) Father's Day couldn't have been better timing! Daddy's little girl already :)
No I don't pissp. That is, if they have a brain and know what they're talking about.
squirrley:

Cut the slander. I have no criminal record. No pardons. No criminal trials.
So don't pee your pant(ies) over my brilliant post. So STFU. Something seems to prevent valid criticism from registering on your brain. Are you gay for cops?

Kevin St Arnauld would be alive if a cop was willing to get his hairsprayed mop a little messed up.

In tomorrow's "free for all" I am going to attack big oil for price gouging and market manipulation, and I am going to prove that New York's Mercantile Exchange is encouraging an Oil Bubble, that will result in a lot of goofs holding worthless Options contracts. GET EDUCATED.
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=TasersKill&p=r

http://tribes.tribe.net/vancouver911truthmovement/thread/a417b35f-9c03-4c56-bf37-044883d58b6d

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080523/tasers_rcmp_080523/20080523?hub=Canada


"What we see is that the Taser is now being used as a substitute for the good-old traditional talking by police, or the baton or pepper spray," said Mr. Dosanjh.

http://www.nationalpost.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=525374

I just don't talk to talk lmorg I actually do read. I don't need to go on so if you want to read more it's in here:

http://www.infopig.com/keywords/RCMP.html

(Sorry Truth I didn't name the last site ;) )