From which direction does most of the dangerous goods come from? Vancouver or Edmonton?

Good question He Speaks. The gasoline and diesel would come from Edmonton and be stored in the tanks at Imperial Oil on River road, however a majority of this comes in by rail. Dont know how much would be trucked. Not aware of much Dangeroous Goods coming from Vancouver.

Most Dangerous Goods are produced in Prince George and sent by rail or truck to other destinations:

FMC Corp Pulpmill Road Hydrogen Peroxide, Rail and Truck

Husky Oil Refinery supplies most of the service stations in Prince George.

Marsulex produces Sulphuric Acid and Sulphur Dioxide which mostly moves by Rail however there is some trucking, especially during rail strikes.

Very little Dangerous Goods go North on 97 as there is little industrie out that way. The same thing applies to 16 West. We have a few sawmills that use very little dangerous goods, the Pulp Mill at Kitimat, and Endako Mines. South we have the pulp mills in Quesnel and the OSB Plant that are mainly supplied out of Prince George by Rail or Truck.

The Majority of dangerous goods are produced and distributed in the Greater Prince George Area.

They don't know .... this is an opinion survey, not a survey of origin-destination and a survey of actual dangerous goods, quntities and frequency of delivery ... that would be too scientific.

Instead it is about emotions .... what do you feel about this ... how do you feel about that .. just read through the survey and see what I mean .....

Did they survey the truckers who haul dangerous goods? ... I do not believe so.

Is there a system to report "close calls"? I doubt it. Perhaps WorkSafeBC since workers are involved.

Have "close calls" been reported in the past to someone even if there is no formal system? I doubt it.

"Marsulex produces Sulphuric Acid and Sulphur Dioxide"

The gal who is the lead consultatn on this did not even know this plant existed .....That is the level of information they have. She just pooh poohed it as local traffic ..... She really did not have a clue!!!

The most dangerous good entering this town are outside consultants who have no clue!!!

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Seems like we will be burning up more diesel to keep it away from down town. Once the Cameron street bridge and the Simon Fraser Bridge is built. Just keep it on the main routes that is already established. No problems.

Big town ideas by small town people.

cheers

Owls got it right. These people do not have a good knowledge about Dangerous Goods in this area. They got the contract, gave the City the usual smoke and mirrors that was lapped up by City Hall because the Councillors dont know anymore than the consultants.

They need to talk to Shippers, Receivers, Producers, Trucking Companies, etc; if they want to get the whole story.

Close calls? The folks at the airport don't publicize those that happen there. So why should the Dept. of Highways?

Where is UNBC in this consultations? They had student projects that were excellently put together and presented to some council members, the fire dept. and RCMP. They opened the idea of a DG Route as the current situation is a disaster waiting to happen. The downtown core and residential neighbourhoods are at risk! Wake up and smell the sulphuric acid... oops... I mean coffee

UNBC was the one who proposed the foothills route. It had not been included in the information given to the consultants. It was added from someone or more people responding to the orginal online survey.

The UNBC was also not a full study. It was, as you say, a student exercise. The problem with such exercises is that they make assumptions to fit the timeframe they have. Those assumptions, in the real world, must be based on data provided by those who have such information can be provided with all diligence. As I understand it, the purpose was an exercise in a GIS application.

Here is a real example of a process as completed in Calgary.

The Power Point version is here:

http://www.itesa.org/downloads/2007-11%20-%20Dangerous%20Goods%20Route%20Evaluation.pdf

The written version is here:
http://www.tac-atc.ca/English/pdf/conf2006/s014/nelson.pdf

For those who are interested, this makes for good reading of how to do things properly. There are tables in there that when I asked for such information, the consultant did not have the faintest clue. In addition, she did not indicate that they first wanted to see which routes the citizens would support, then fill in the full information for those routes.