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Friday Free For All – May 27th

Friday, May 27, 2016 @ 12:00 AM

Another weekend is upon us,  and that can only mean one thing.  It’s time for the FRIDAY FREE FOR ALL.

You pick the topic,  but  follow our three simple rules:

Keep it clean

Keep it legal

No Bullying.


Have a great weekend everyone, be safe out there.

    I’m dying to know what the people who voted this down were thinking. Are some of you actually opposed to others having a great weekend and being safe? Do you just hate PVal? What the heck?

      Bill…everyone loves me here..they just show it in different ways…lol.

      This thumbs up / thumbs down thing is the silliest feature on this site.

I’m always safe out there except when I’m driving our local hwy’s. Man there are a lot of dangerous people in the central interior with drivers licences. Sometimes I wonder how I make it home safe. Do I have a flashing amber light on my vehicle that attracts those that are NCR, (not criminally responsible)?

    I tell ya, I’ve witnessed some real terrible driving this week but 2 of them really stand out.

    I followed a newish Honda down Ospika from Tyner to 5th. He drove the whole way in the bicycle lane as best he could only swerving out into traffic to avoid the parked cars and left turn lanes, he was traveling with the flow of traffic too WTF?

    The other one was the single occupant well advertised driving school car/suv or whatever they call them now from 16 and 97 to Domano. That one I wish I had a dash cam for LOL The best of that one was when he stopped aprox three car lengths back from the person in front of him and then got all angry blowing his horn when someone pulled into the massive space he had left in front of himself.

      Edit that: Should have said right turn lanes.

I see that the new limited hunting site is having lots of problems, back log,45 minute wait time on the help line etc.

    It’s the last day rush, kind of expected. Did mine last week with no issues at all and absolutely love it.

    I did mine a week ago and it was great. Hopefully the last minute rushers won’t be entered and I will finally get the Bison draw I have put in for since day one. Our LEH draw system sucks.

Congrats to the graduating students at UNBC and CHSS today

Regarding distracted driving : seen the city bus turning a corner the other day while he was talking on his 2 way radio..Legal ??? Oh , one more thing..My wife reached over and grabbed my arm and said she loved me , while i was driving. I guess that’s distracting also…lol

    The operation of a 2 way radio while driving is perfectly legal in the province of BC. The actual operation of the radio does not require your eyes to leave the sight of the roadway.

      So long as it is a single button activated communication device I think is the rule.

      Doesn’t much matter when being blinded by oncoming logging trucks running illegal headlights. Can’t see the road anyway. :-)

      Dumbfounded, at least you got the first part of your name right. Did you ever bother to call the phone numbers I supplied you with to the proper authorities with regards to CVSE regulations and inspections? I didnt think so, its hard to get through to somebody with as think of a head as yourself.

    How about all the roadside billboards directed at drivers? They can’t be distracting at all.

      You sound like someone that would get distracted by shinny things.

One whole post before the club members of the “250 most perfect drivers” club had to let us all know about how lousy all the other drivers in this city are, other than themselves. lol

Did RCMP crack down on those 2 wheelers with noisy pipes? I’ve noticed the one in Creekside development, seems to be quieter? Still likes to open it up in the cut on Malaspina!

A couple of days ago, in response to VOR’s meltdown comments of the year, I researched and posted the actual provincial legislature attendance of our current government.

This government sat 36 out of 579 days in the legislature… is this a new record low? Can anyone find a worse record than this for any elected government in BC history??? Really, please let me know.

www .theglobeandmail.com/opinion/bc-legislature-sits-36-of-579-days-is-this-responsible-government/article14245947/

    You really are kind of a dim bulb peeps if you think that sitting in the house bickering equates to work getting done. Actually Christy Clark and company should be commended for being efficient in getting legislation passed in a timely manner so they can roll up their sleeves and get the real work of keeping BC the #1 province on the country.

    The big winner is the Victoria harbour and those that live on or around it . Not only do they not have to listen to crap being spewed . They don’t have to smell the neocon crap literally either .

      very witty stockaloss. You would be a hand full in a debate.

    I actually preferred watching the scenery and listening to the music on the Legislature channel than listen to the squawking and whining during question period! The worst is the automatic pounding of desks no matter how low quality yet another comment was!

      The opportunity for an “elected” opposition to question our “elected” government, to at least try to hold them “accountable” for their decisions and actions is an essential part of a DEMOCRACY… without it what do we have but dictatorship!

      Still waiting for anyone to come forward with an example of another government that has sat less than 36 out of 579 days in our BC Legislature. Come on someone… anyone? If not we have a new record holder for a government absent and virually awol from our legislature; ladies and gentlemen I present to you the Christy Clark BC Lib-Con Government.

      Peeps The opposition is afforded ample opportunity to voice their opinion when new budgets or legislation is being debated prior to passage.

      There is no need for random piss and moan sittings so Horgan&Co can try to justify their existance and paychecks if you need to know what their whine de jour is……thetyee.ca

    JGalt, rather than complain here, take a moment to call up Shirley Bond or Mike Morris’s office for an appointment! Speaking from experience, I have never, ever had an issue getting the opportunity to bend the ear of our local MLAs or MPs!

    Shouldn’t be a problem getting a half hour or so of their time to express your concerns! I suspect that they might welcome the opportunity to tell you what they have been up to!

    Or, just keep complaining here!

It’s possible some can’t read, but you see the Picture on every Pump and Post “No Cell
Phones” at the Pump ,Yesterday Morning at Canadian Tire, you also where Driving with your Phone clued to the Ear! To the Station Operator you must shut the Pumps down if someone is use a Phone!

    A regulation that was a knee-jerk reaction to a fire/explosion at a gas pump many years ago that someone suggested was due to cell phone usage while pumping. Investigation revealed that wasn’t the case but the needless regulation remains.

      Not allowed to fill a jerry can on the tailgate either, has to go on the ground. Stupid rule as the container is plastic and does not matter where it is filled to prevent static buildup.

stompin…You can be on a 2 way radio because you don’t need to take your eyes of the road..What’s the difference if i’m on my phone than? Where do you think i’m looking when i have my phone up to my ear?

    many reasons, but first you must look at your phone to operate it, you may claim that you can dial it without looking, but in reality, it is almost impossible to do. The list goes on an on from there.

I went shopping at a mall in Richmond and not one store had any signs in English. Just the phone numbers is all. I tried to buy some ginsing and even the labels were in Chinese. I always thought it was illegal to sell anything in Canada without both official languages on the label, but apparently not so in the Lower Mainland. I damn near got kicked out of the store for asking questions because I couldn’t read the labels… it was like shoo shoo we don’t want your kind here. I think maybe I could count on one hand the people that weren’t Chinese in that city and they were all on the waterfront boardwalk hiking like we were. Sold to the highest bidder I guess… Not long until our democracy becomes their majority and we will be dumbing down our schools to accommodate those that refuse to even learn one of the two official languages in Canada.

My wife is an immigrant, but at least she learned English and has had to go through the process of becoming a Canadian. I think a lot of the ones in the Lowermainland just bought the property and citizenship was thrown in as an extra. The vast majority of new Canadians in the Lower Mainland have no commitment to Canada and Canadian values or common curtesy IMO.

    Go to the Chinese store in downtown PG, or go to delicatessen stores here and you will be surprised to see all sorts of foreign products in their authentic containers.

    Have you ever walked through Vancouver Airport and noticed how many people keep to the left rather than to the right of the corridors – people from Australia, South Africa, Japan, Britain, etc. who are used to keeping left rather than right.

    I do not know what has gotten into such travellers who have no “common curtesy”. I keep having to move to the left. ;-)

    As far as myself, I love ethnic parts of large metro areas. I actually seek them out because of the variety it adds to this country. I spent over a decade in downtown Toronto. Kensington Market was an ethnic melting pot and continues to be to this day dominated by the different ethnics groups who immigrated to the city over the last 100 years.

    The internet, air travel, international work opportunities, international tv reporting and other different processes have shrunk the world.

    Just understand that you were born a century too late and learn to live with that. You are lucky you live in a bubble in PG.

      Oh I have no problem with ethnic areas. I married an Asian and spent my fair share of time with other ethnicities. I agree interacting with other cultures can be rewarding. My mom has been to half the countries in the UN and loves to travel instilling the same love for other cultures in me. I just draw the line when others come to Canada with a sense of entitlement that puts them above common curtesy in public out of a sense that they don’t need to participate in social norms because they are above that.

      It’s a real issue in the Lower Mainland these days. They get away with it because of political correctness has made everyone to scared to call them out on it for fear of being labeled racist…..

You have not heard? Its Hongcouver now not Vancouver

A warning to anyone that fly’s and has an Allergy, @West Jet and probably other airlines don’t give a crap.
My wife has an allergy to cats that is quite sever and was flying on West Jet from Grande Prairie to Calgary. Just as she was getting ready to board the plane she noticed a woman with a cat getting ready to board the plane. She asked for a seat assignment to get as far away from the cat as possible and was told the flight was booked solid. Luckily (???) a fabulous gentleman offered to switch seats with her which helped. By the time she got half way to Calgary she was already on her inhalers. For anyone that doesn’t know these are hard on the heart and causes bad headaches for days.
My wife got in touch with West Jet after she got home and was told it was her fault. If she would have told them, at the time of booking, about her allergy they would have exercised a 5 row policy or bumped her to a different flight. Great, the pet has preference and hopefully the next fight doesn’t have a cat on it. 5 Row separation policy wouldn’t have worked anyway, she was 9 rows after the switch.
Asked what happened to the policy of no pets in the passenger compartment and she was told that it discriminated against pets and that it was unjust treatment to put them in a heated and air controlled baggage area. Discrimination? Does that mean I can bring my Great Dane into the passenger area?
I admire all the things that WestJet has done for people at Christmas and around the issues with Fort Mac to name a couple, but I think they need to have a long look at the treatment of their passengers outside the area of good public relations for publicity sake. They removed all peanuts from their planes due to allergies but don’t care about the people that have allergies to pets, there is a simple solution. Put the animals where they belong.
I know I will be attacked by the animal lovers out there but maybe we need to look at our priorities.

    I had the same issue with my hotel. Every time I returned to the hotel I was having an allergic reaction. Then I noticed people walking their pets in the hallways and realized they are booking rooms to guests with pets… It use to be a really good clean Holiday Express hotel but I will never stay there again after that experience.

    5 row separation policy? LOL. Why don’t they bring back a Smoking Section on the jet as well?

    I love my dog, but he stays in a kennel when I travel. Unless you’re moving to a new location, leave the dogs & cats at home. Traveling with the pet in the cabin is an insane policy. I’ve had to listen to a nervous yipping psycho-puff of a dog on a trip to Las Vegas once.

      If you can’t handle the yipping dog stay home. They have rights to you know.

      Back when smoking was allowed, some European airlines divided the plane left-right rather than front back. That’s right, you could be in a non-smoking seat on one side of the plane and have someone smoking in the same row on the other side of the aisle. It was insane.

Just go to Second Cup, and Café Voltaire sometime. It is unbelievable how many people do not clear their table, just get up and leave the mess for the next person to pick up or staff to pick up.

Café Voltaire has a place to put dishes, recyclables as well as garbage.

One does not have to single out Muslims or any other religious group since they are far and few between in PG.

So, I assume you consider yourself to be one of the “highest characters” in this country.

In my opinion, until you can get rid of some of your continuing publically posted biases based on observing the habits of one visible minority rather than the entire population you certainly are not meeting the standard of the highest character you want to populate this country.

    I am not singling out any particular people. The Syrian family were obviously new arrivals with no consideration of local norms. I am sure in their country that is just the way it is. Same with the Indian guy that cut in front to steel my parking spot…. or the ignorant loud Russians on Eglish Bay beach front. I am just saying it is noticeable the ignorance of the new immigrants to Canada in the Lower Mainland of all ethnicities when they just buy their citizenship… Rather then the more decency immigrants to this country had even in the eighties.

    I don’t ever notice these problems in PG, our immigrants work for what they have. It’s a Lower Mainland problem and it is destroying the good Canadian character is my point. It’s an entitlement issue with how our system is working for those that through financial means and citizenship give always are.ignorant of their social responsibility to others.

    I don’t pick up my garbage in fast food establishments, because I believe by doing so I will deprive a person of a job. Albeit a low paying one. Many students work in fast food places and they spent all their money locally. Ergo I am doing my bit for the local economy. I do not litter in the great outdoors however.

About three years ago we had a garage sale, a couple of older men came along and one of them wanted to buy a large recliner we had for sale , we sold it to him cheap he asked if we would deliver it for him , he was living at the Connaught Motel , he said he would be sleeping in the recliner as the conditions in the Motel so bad. Everyone deserves a clean room and clean bed. This Motel needs a total upgrade, if the owner won’t do it he should sell it to a chain that will have the money to do the upgrades . Both the problem Motels and the vacant lot between them should be sold and a strip mall with housing on top created, that would be a lot better than what is there now. How hard is that??

    In a free enterprise world that is very difficult.

    Just remember how much flack this City got for buying properties downtown, tearing down buildings with the hope that some developer would actually buy them because they told the City that nobody would buy a property with an old building on it.

    So, we have a lot of bare properties downtown these days with weeds growing on them.

“Vladimir Putin told to drop NUCLEAR BOMB on island off Scottish coast to prove Russia’s strength”


A side effect on the other side of the Atlantic resulting from the TRUMP dropping of political correctness.

    How about our dear leader that shining example of political decorum.

      How about those hot coal play tips that I should buy/hold ? The ones you slimed at me were from 2015 which had I followed George Soros into Peabody energy without stops , I would have been wiped out . Fortunately for me ,when the arse fell out of the fossils . I was busy buying financials . There by creating yet another income stream . I sure hope for you that you don’t take your own advise . Maybe this is why you are so concerned with other people’s money .

      yes he has a lot of political decorum of course there is harper crying in his sot drinks

      Harper can’ stand siting in Parliament to represent the people who elected him, so he is removing himself. Not used to not being in charge.

      How about that, eh?

      Trudeau, on the other hand, was representing his riding, sat through a carpetbagger Canuck coming up to bomb an election opportunity and then took on a leadership to try to bring the party up from third place.

      He lucked out, in part, because of the NDP losing their competent leader due to an untimely death and the miserable failure of Harper to lead a majority party.

      So, we have an unproven leader who is well liked by the international community. I mean, from their point of view, what is not to like about the defeat of Harper who did not exactly represent the post WW2 Canada the world had grown to respect, no matter who was in power.

      Over the last 6 decades, I can remember only two Prime Ministers who stayed on as MPs after their electoral defeat: John Diefenbaker and Joe Clark.

    Denmark is being treated by Russia because they’ve sent 150 soldiers to bolster Estonian borders from Russia’s aggression . The Faroe Islands are Danish . And the Russians are pigs .

    Putin is between a rock and a hard place. Putin and his Medved led government want to co-exist with the west, having mostly west leaning people in high office and the central bank… But the hardline nationalists are near calling for a coup if he doesn’t take a harder line on NATO expansion to Russia’s boarders in the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, the Black Sea and Central Asia. Right now Putin is in a corner and the only thing that saves him is his personal popularity with Russians. If the Medveded government falls the world will see a nasty side of Russia the likes of which we haven’t seen yet. Putin can only hold the Hawks back for so long until the threats to Russia are such that he has no choice but to relent.


      So having a senile, sociopath, ignorant, shoot-from-the-hip Trump in place in the USA will add more fuel to the fire.

      With all her faults, someone like Clinton is better to see the USA and the world through this new crisis of truth without reconciliation.

      You can’t be serious when you put Hillary Clinton and peace in the same sentence. Did you see her evil laugh when she sang the bomb bomb Libya … And we’re did that get us, assilum strif in Europe and isis criminality throughout the Middle East initiated by her policies.

      The very first thing Hillary Clinton would do if elected after going to get her marching orders from the neocons would be war with Russia. She has said so herself. The Kazarians have a mellenial long hatred of the Russians since the Rus empire of Kiev scattered thei Kazarian crime empire to the four winds. The Bolshivik revolution and its genocide on the Eastern Orthodox religion was just not enough for those people, they won’t stop until total annihilation of anyone that has slighted their aims for world domination. Clinton would cross all red lines with Russia and then Blair Russia for ww3.

      Trump however sees it for what it is and calls it for what it is. He would make peace with Putin out of mutual respect and through strength like Reagan would set the grounds for world peace through trust.


    gopg2015, you are aware that Justin had one of the worst attendance records in the House, aren’t you?

    I read an article on the CBC’s website yesterday and it ended with the following comment regarding Stephen Harper’s retirement from politics, one that I certainly agree with:

    “History will be kind to him”!

      ..and with Stephen Harper stepping down, the following article from the National Post is worth a read:

      Michael Den Tandt: Harper was never the conservative extremist we were led to expect

      “Stephen J. Harper was a good prime minister — a smart, basically decent, hard-working guy who, for all his flaws, left the country better than he found it.”

      ht tp://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/michael-den-tandt-harper-was-never-the-conservative-extremist-we-were-led-to-expect

      Time will certainly tell if we enjoyed sunnier days then than the sunny days that some think we might anticipate now!

Denmark is being threatened by Russia .

    The world is being threatened by Russia.

      The world is being threatened by lemming-like humans.

Well its Friday again and Hi to all my friends in George and the others. Iffy day here in Abby dose not know if it should rain or if the sun wants to shine. So lets get down to the good stuff like politics.

Notice that Minister Bond has her photos on 250 a lot these days with all kinds of nice stuff s for the tax payers in Prince George. Cant help but wonder what Christy Crunch is giving to her corporate friends.

Our schools and children are getting the shaft. Education is so important for the challenge that the future generations will have to face.

Well that’s my thought for the day. Hope my grammar is OK fot the freaks that its more important for an idea and sea-mutt hope your smeller has improved go hiking and get some fresh air in your head. And as you know birds do not have a very large brain. Keep smiling and have a nice day.

    pis& off retired

raud: While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of spreading fright, they haven’t been so good at hiding their real motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst driving the climate scare.

We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They are after something entirely different.

If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures — they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate
official Ottmar Edenhofer:

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?

“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.

For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn’t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that “the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”

More at ht tp://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

    Yes and for three decades our climate has been changing and the pollution that we create is not helping and then there are the “Nay Sayers” that want to take us to the brink.

      So you are a climate change denier then, denying there was no climate change before man came along. I think that Fraser Valley poop smell is getting to you.

      Now seriously can you refute Dirtman’s post???????

      Our climate has been changing for a lot longer than 3 decades. Considerably longer than 3 billion years.

      Some so called experts have been blaming the Ft. Mac fire on man made global warming! Earlier this week, I read an interesting article on the Chinchage Fire, also know as the Wisp Fire. This fire, in Northern BC/Alberta in 1950, was the single largest recorded fire in North American history!

      Obviously, man made “global warming” was a big issue in 1950!

      ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinchaga_fire

    Well, the National Academy of Sciences – a well respected organization, disagrees with you. They say human activity is adding to global warming. So, if you’re a eco-nut/green-freak/granola cruncher – Yea! Academy – we knew it all along. After all, how could so many scientists be wrong?

    Um, the same National Academy also released a report that GMO – genetical modified foods – are safe to eat. So, if you’re an eco-nut/green-freak/granola cruncher – what are you going to do now. Scientists agree, and disagree with you. Can you change your opinion, or will you cling to anecdotal evidence rather than science.

    If right wing Neanderthals such as myself have to accept facts, can you?

      Have you seen the facts on climate change?

      Have you seen the science?

      The evidence?

      I have.

      If the National Academy of Sciences said the world is flat, would that mean the world is flat?

      ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/23/the-national-academy-of-sciences-loses-the-plot/

      Just a bunch of rent seekers.

    Looks like Ottmar should have stayed dabbling in political speculative matters rather than trying to do the job of co-chair of a crucial UN climate pane.l

      Climate change is a billion dollar industry. Millions of dollars are paid to scientists and academics for climate change “science”. Law suit filed against the EPA for paying “independent scientists” for air quality results. Our air quality is terrible.

      Anyone looked up at the sky recently? Next time you see the white haze, like yesterday, have a look at Environment Canada and Weather Network websites. You’ll see that they list our weather as clear and sunny.

      Anyone else experiencing burning eyes, irritated throat and sinuses?

      ht p://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/covering-up-climate-engineering-contamination-epa-caught-buying-its-independent-science-advisors/

      Lawsuit has been filed against the Canadian government/ one to come against the US govt to stop the practice of climate engineering.

      The BBC Global Dimming Documentary is an interesting watch

Good day to Stockaloss and Retired, you folks should grease up those chains of yours I keep rattling, getting creaky.

    The trouble is that you have no chains sea-mutt.

      Oh you are so right, with an open mind, not closed and fossilized!

Unfortunately MacTac I end up being the guy who has to clear a table to sit and enjoy my food at fast food restaurants, you see the business pays only mimimum wage and thus creates staffing issues, employees are put in positions of having to service the customer their purchase in a timely way, ergo the last thing that the managers do is to have the tables cleared, ultimately leaving me to clear the tables of people who believe that they are somehow contributing. Take a minute and just clear your garbage

    so go to a place that has clean tables. or throw the garbage on the floor so the management will get a hint.

      it is not a customer’s responsibility to provide a clean and neat place to eat in.

Solar cells just keep getting better . They have just last month reached 34.5 % efficiency . Just search . 34% efficient solar cells . This means a fifty percent increase is on the way for sure . If I were shortish anything it would be fossils and big utilities .

    So how come you are a story teller about your imaginary solar system and if solar is so great you stated having no investments in it for some reason. Why have so many solar companies failed?

    Did you know Anthony Watts has a solar system and drives an electric car, of which you have neither.

    Oh Stockaloss this link should make you jump for joy, oh wait

    The number of U.S. jobs in solar energy overtook those in oil and natural gas extraction for the first time last year, helping drive a global surge in employment in the clean-energy business as fossil-fuel companies faltered.

    Why is this newsworthy? Energy production is not a jobs program. The fact it takes more people to provide for 1% of our energy consumption than it takes to provide for 52% (67% if imported oil is included) is not a positive aspect of solar power.

    ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/26/clean-energy-jobs-surpass-oil-drilling-for-first-time-in-u-s-so-what/

      S-Mutt, where exactly ARE your capped off oil wells located, the ones you invested in when oil ruled the entire planet?

      PG what are you rambling on about?

      Yawn, check out lithium mining issues. Hey I got nothing against alternative powered cars but not yet practical, the Leaf proved that.

      Its your obsession about solar that is disturbing with your non usage or investment of solar. Hey BC is already 100% renewable electricity with about the lowest power rates in North America, why do we need very costly subsidy sucking labour intensive solar?

      Well bye for now, jumping in my big V-8 powered vehicle and off to work, vroom vroom.

      You go on about coal but have no clue about how to make money on it . You obviously don’t even know the difference between a private company and a publicly traded company . Otherwise you would not point at Peabody as an investment . Specially since they went bankrupt last month . So why are you so worried about my investments . You must think one should not use anything unless one is invested in it . If you really like what’s up with that , you’d love theonion .

      Why do I want to invest in coal or anything else for that matter, never said I would invest where did you come up with that idea? It is George Soros who helped drive down coal in the US then turns around and invests in it. Give your head a shake.

      Hey Stockaloss solar companies have been crashing and burning all over the world, the latest your hero, Musk

      ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/11/newsbytes-elon-musks-solarcity-crashes/

      hey Stockaloss Anthony Watts has solar on his house and an electric car and realizes its limitations but living in dinbat crazy California with its high cost of energy because of its dingbat crazy government it works.

      So Stockaloss lets hear about your solar house and car, HAHAHAHAHAH

    It gets better . The lithium air ( free oxygen in air ) battery chemistry has been solved . As most know the solvent is where the majority of the weight is and in the new battery it is not needed . If predictions pan out , it will be a fifth of the weight and the same energy density as gasoline. Or in other words you’ll only have to charge the phone once a week . And they are going to be cheaper .

      Of course science will keep finding cleaner, cheaper and less polluting sources of energy as time goes by! It is inevitable. The logical choices are the renewables, like solar, wind, tidal, geothermal and so forth. Crude oil and coal are much too valuable to incinerate them and thereby make them unavailable for recycling in the future. Actually all the earth’s resources are limited in quantity and accessibility. The intelligent thing to do is to treat them as such. The nearest possibly suitable other planet for human life is very far away. It has to be close to perfect as far as gravity, atmosphere and water resources are concerned. So far the planets in our own solar system do not qualify to accommodate mankind in large numbers. That means that we have to treat our planet with the utmost respect unless we do not mind dooming human life by causing our own extinction. The switch-over to new technologies better get into full swing as soon as possible. Of course those who own or have money invested in the old traditional way of clinging to the fossil fuels will do their very best (or worst) to promote their continued use. What else can one expect them to do?

      Actually we will mine the celestial bodies around us.

      Fossil fuels heck we haven’t’ even touched the vast quantities of methane yet.

      One big asteroid, a poof bye bye.

      Can anyone name one prediction for running out of resources that has come true? These predictions have been made for decades. The oceans cover over 70% of the earths surface and we have hardly started there yet.

    Then short them big balls. Don’t preach, do it.

      that comment was for stockaloss.

      Why would I bother ? I’m in a safe place with income . I did great again today . How about you ? Do you think the big board will break 18 again ? V and MA make it hard to be humble but I’ll try . Naz !

    So if solar cells are so much better, how about governments stop subsidizing them?

Today and in the past I have made comments about certain merchants and eateries on here and can back my comments up and 250news deletes them. So are we getting honest news coverage from 250news? Do they shun stories that may cost them advertising dollars? I for one do hate biased news reporting.

    Well, on the other hand, if they let posters trash their advertisers, then they go out of business and we’ve got nowhere to vent anymore. It’s an unholy but necessary alliance that advertising supports the news industry and the news industry has to keep in mind where their cheque comes from.. If only we had a public funded news source that reported just the facts with no agenda. Oh wait, I think it’s called the CBC. No bias there.

    Experiences in eateries have different outcomes all the time. Certain eateries have failed because they could not be relied upon to keep their quality of food and service up as expected. Customers will tolerate the odd slip-up, but if it becomes routine they will do the logical thing: Stay away!

    The smart thing is to just try. If it does not pan put one simply votes with one’s feet. Many times tastes and individual preferences make for a devastating verdict even when other customers are satisfied with the same menu and service on the same day.

    We are fortunate to have a huge selection of restaurants in Prince George, so one may explore and frequent only those with which one is really satisfied.

    I do not see any bias by 250news.

The Population increase in our World is a big Factor in Climate Change, we all have to eat and stay warm and many more Humans don’t help this Planet!

    Human contribution to climate change is so miniscule it can’t be differentiated from noise. Population increase will not make a detectable difference. Besides which, the world reproduction rate is 2 children per woman (replacement rate) and falling. Population growth will level off within 3 generations and then begin to fall. Some places will experience dramatic population crash, for example, China’s population is expected to plunge by 400 million.

And the world keeps turning and life abounds, with us or without us here.

    How do you know that?

    Have you ever experienced that or know someone who has?

      Are you suggesting the world would stop turning if humans weren’t here???

      I am suggesting who will know whether it does or not.

      It is somewhat similar to the old question of whether a tree falling in the woods creates a noise as it does if no person is there to hear it.

      We hear of comets, we hear of large asteroids, volcanoes, past game changers, and the very creation of the planet itself.

      What is time? How long is forever.

      I am asking a question which a philosopher or a philosophy student will ask. It is a very legitimate question to ask. Looking at the statement the discussion has to address what is “life”, what “abounds” means, what “us” means, and on and on.

      You would have liked Bertrand Russell … maybe

      Quotes from him:

      “War does not determine who is right, only who is left.”

      “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

      and more to the current point: “The theoretical understanding of the world, which is the aim of philosophy, is not a matter of great practical importance to animals, or to savages, or even to most civilised men.”

Will the city ever get to paint the road lines on Foothills Boulevard?
This getting a little ridiculous!

It’s nice to see Harper running away from politics with his tail between his legs.. Thought he would be preaching fire and brimstone at his church..but guess he is to greedy so needs to use all the favours he is owed for selling out Canada. I am sure his business will do well only because of it.

    He is and will always be the face of burning big fossil . He will be well rewarded . Even we will pay him millions .

      You’re going to pay him millions? Why? I’m not.

    Harper will be one of the directors in charge of Conservative fundraising for the next federal election – I would hardly call that running away from politics!

      Of course you wouldn’t.

    P Val, you suggest that Stephen Harper is greedy but you do so without any evidence to support your suggestion.

    The Chef who cooked for the Harper family at 24 Sussex has stated that the Harper family directed him to cook as he would cook for his own family. The Harper family dined on the type of meals that the average Canadian middle class family dined on. Lobster Thermidore, Chateaubriand, Filet Mignon, Eggs Benedict and other more expensive meals could have been requested and they would have been provided, however that’s not what the Harpers requested.

    From what I understand, Stephen Harper wrote a cheque each month, payable to the Government of Canada, a cheque that was to cover what he felt was fair compensation for the food that the Harper family ate at 24 Sussex.

    I understand that the The Harper “family car” was/is a Chevy Malibu.

    Mr. Harper and his family seem to fit my definition of a middle class family.

    If you want to suggest that Stephen Harper is a greedy man, I’d really be interested in seeing your evidence! Perhaps he has a gull wing Mercedes hidden somewhere?

“Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly towards aristocratic forms.” We’ve gotten to that point in Canada where the entire function of Government is to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class. Outrageous recent increases in MP expense accounts is a minor example, there are much worse.”

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The big list of failed climate predictions
Anthony Watts / April 2, 2014
Reader “Sasha” responding to Jeff Alberts in comments provided a large list that I thought was worth sharing.
Submitted on 2014/04/02 at 8:37 am
The question wasn’t “what do people think is caused by global warming”, but “what was predicted by scientists and activists 25 years ago that would be a result of global warming.” Big difference.
OK. Hang on to your hat!
The original post was asking for a list of failed climate predictions, so here are 107:
FAILED CLIMATE PREDICTIONS (and some related stupid sayings)
1. “Due to global warming, the coming winters in the local regions will become milder.”
Stefan Rahmstorf, Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research, University of Potsdam, February 8, 2006
2. “Milder winters, drier summers: Climate study shows a need to adapt in Saxony Anhalt.”
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, Press Release, January 10, 2010.
3. “More heat waves, no snow in the winter… Climate models… over 20 times more precise than the UN IPCC global models. In no other country do we have more precise calculations of climate consequences. They should form the basis for political planning… Temperatures in the wintertime will rise the most… there will be less cold air coming to Central Europe from the east…In the Alps winters will be 2°C warmer already between 2021 and 2050.”
Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, September 2, 2008.
4. “The new Germany will be characterized by dry-hot summers and warm-wet winters.”
Wilhelm Gerstengarbe and Peter Werner, Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), March 2, 2007
5. “Clear climate trends are seen from the computer simulations. Foremost the winter months will be warmer all over Germany. Depending of CO2 emissions, temperatures will rise by up to 4°C, in the Alps by up to 5°C.”
Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, 7 Dec 2009.
6. “In summer under certain conditions the scientists reckon with a complete melting of the Arctic sea ice. For Europe we expect an increase in drier and warmer summers. Winters on the other hand will be warmer and wetter.”
Erich Roeckner, Max Planck Institute, Hamburg, 29 Sept 2005.
7. “The more than ‘unusually ‘warm January weather is yet ‘another extreme event’, ‘a harbinger of the winters that are ahead of us’. … The global temperature will ‘increase every year by 0.2°C’”
Michael Müller, Socialist, State Secretary in the Federal Ministry of Environment,
Die Zeit, 15 Jan 2007
8. “Harsh winters likely will be more seldom and precipitation in the wintertime will be heavier everywhere. However, due to the milder temperatures, it’ll fall more often as rain than as snow.”
Online-Atlas of the Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft, 2010
9. “We’ve mostly had mild winters in which only a few cold months were scattered about, like January 2009. This winter is a cold outlier, but that doesn’t change the picture as a whole. Generally it’s going to get warmer, also in the wintertime.”
Gerhard Müller-Westermeier, German Weather Service (DWD), 26 Jan 2010
10. “Winters with strong frost and lots of snow like we had 20 years ago will cease to exist at our latitudes.”
Mojib Latif, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, 1 April 2000
11. “Good bye winter. Never again snow?”
Spiegel, 1 April 2000
12. “In the northern part of the continent there likely will be some benefits in the form of reduced cold periods and higher agricultural yields. But the continued increase in temperatures will cancel off these benefits. In some regions up to 60% of the species could die off by 2080.”
3Sat, 26 June 2003
13. “Although the magnitude of the trends shows large variation among different models, Miller et al. (2006) find that none of the 14 models exhibits a trend towards a lower NAM index and higher arctic SLP.”
IPCC 2007 4AR, (quoted by Georg Hoffmann)
14. “Based on the rising temperature, less snow will be expected regionally. While currently 1/3 of the precipitation in the Alps falls as snow, the snow-share of precipitation by the end of the century could end up being just one sixth.”
Germanwatch, Page 7, Feb 2007
15. “Assuming there will be a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere, as is projected by the year 2030. The consequences could be hotter and drier summers, and winters warmer and wetter. Such a warming will be proportionately higher at higher elevations – and especially will have a powerful impact on the glaciers of the Firn regions.”
“ The ski areas that reliably have snow will shift from 1200 meters to 1500 meters elevation by the year 2050; because of the climate prognoses warmer winters have to be anticipated.”
Scinexx Wissenschaft Magazin, 26 Mar 2002
16. “Yesterday’s snow… Because temperatures in the Alps are rising quickly, there will be more precipitation in many places. But because it will rain more often than it snows, this will be bad news for tourists. For many ski lifts this means the end of business.”
Daniela Jacob, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, 8 Aug 2006
17. “Spring will begin in January starting in 2030.”
Die Welt, 30 Sept 2010
18. “Ice, snow, and frost will disappear, i.e. milder winters” … “Unusually warm winters without snow and ice are now being viewed by many as signs of climate change.”
Schleswig Holstein NABU, 10 Feb 2007
19. “Good bye winter… In the northern hemisphere the deviations are much greater according to NOAA calculations, in some areas up to 5°C. That has consequences says DWD meteorologist Müller-Westermeier: When the snowline rises over large areas, the bare ground is warmed up even more by sunlight. This amplifies global warming. A process that is uncontrollable – and for this reason understandably arouses old childhood fears: First the snow disappears, and then winter.”
Die Zeit, 16 Mar 2007
20. “Warm in the winter, dry in the summer … Long, hard winters in Germany remain rare: By 2085 large areas of the Alps and Central German Mountains will be almost free of snow. Because air temperatures in winter will rise more quickly than in summer, there will be more precipitation. ‘However, much of it will fall as rain,’ says Daniela Jacob of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology.”
FOCUS, 24 May 2006
21. “Consequences and impacts for regional agriculture: Hotter summers, milder plus shorter winters (palm trees!). Agriculture: More CO2 in the air, higher temperatures, foremost in winter.”
Dr. Michael Schirmer, University of Bremen, presentation of 2 Feb 2007
22. “Winters: wet and mild”
Bavarian State Ministry for Agriculture, presentation 23 Aug 2007
23. “The climate model prognoses currently indicate that the following climate changes will occur: Increase in minimum temperatures in the winter.”
Chamber of Agriculture of Lower Saxony Date: 6 July 2009
24. “Both the prognoses for global climate development and the prognoses for the climatic development of the Fichtel Mountains clearly show a warming of the average temperature, whereby especially the winter months will be greatly impacted.”
Willi Seifert, University of Bayreuth, diploma thesis, p. 203, 7 July 2004
25. “Already in the year 2025 the conditions for winter sports in the Fichtel Mountains will develop negatively, especially with regards to ‘natural’ snow conditions and for so-called snow-making potential. A financially viable ski business operation after about the year 2025 appears under these conditions to be extremely improbable (Seifert, 2004)”.
Andreas Matzarakis, University of Freiburg Meteorological Institute, 26 July 2006
26. “Skiing among palm trees? … For this reason I would advise no one in the Berchtesgadener Land to invest in a ski-lift. The probability of earning money with the global warming is getting less and less.”
Hartmut Graßl, Director Emeritus,
Max Planck-Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, page 3, 4 Mar 2006
27. “Climate warming leads to an increasingly higher snow line. The number of future ski resorts that can be expected to have snow is reducing. […] Climate change does not only lead to higher temperatures, but also to changes in the precipitation ratios in summer and winter. […] In the wintertime more precipitation is to be anticipated. However, it will fall more often as rain, and less often as snow, in the future.”
Hans Elsasser, Director of the Geographical Institute of the University of Zurich, 4 Mar 2006
28. “All climate simulations – global and regional – were carried out at the Deutschen Klimarechenzentrum [German Climate Simulation Center]. […] In the winter months the temperature rise is from 1.5°C to 2°C and stretches from Scandinavia to the Mediterranean Sea. Only in regions that are directly influenced by the Atlantic (Great Britain, Portugal, parts of Spain) will the winter temperature increase be less (Fig. 1).”
Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Press Release, Date: December 2007/January 2013.
29. “By the year 2050 … temperatures will rise 1.5ºC to 2.5°C (summer) and 3°C (winter). … in the summer it will rain up to 40% less and in the winter up to 30% more.
German Federal Department of Highways, 1 Sept 2010
30. “We are now at the threshold of making reliable statements about the future.”
Daniela Jacob, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, page 44, 10/2001
31. “The scenarios of climate scientists are unanimous about one thing: In the future in Germany we will have to live with drier and drier summers and a lot more rain in the winters.”
Gerhard Müller-Westermeier, German Weather Service (DWD), 20 May 2010
32. “In the wintertime the winds will be more from the west and will bring storms to Germany. Especially in western and southern Germany there will be flooding.” FOCUS / Mojib Latif, Leibniz Institute for Ocean Sciences of the University of Kiel, 27 May 2006.
33. “While the increases in the springtime appear as rather modest, the (late)summer and winter months are showing an especially powerful warming trend.”
State Ministry of Environment, Agriculture and Geology, Saxony, p. 133, Schriftenreihe Heft 25/2009.
34. “Warm Winters Result From Greenhouse Effect, Columbia Scientists Find, Using NASA Model … Despite appearing as part of a natural climate oscillation, the large increases in wintertime surface temperatures over the continents may therefore be attributable in large part to human activities,”
Science Daily, Dr. Drew Shindell 4 June 1999
35. “Within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event. … Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”
David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 20 March 2000
36. “This data confirms what many gardeners believe – winters are not as hard as they used to be. … And if recent trends continue a white Christmas in Wales could certainly be a thing of the past.”
BBC, Dr Jeremy Williams, Bangor University, Lecturer in Geomatics, 20 Dec 2004
37. The rise in temperature associated with climate change leads to a general reduction in the proportion of precipitation falling as snow, and a consequent reduction in many areas in the duration of snow cover.”
Global Environmental Change, Nigel W. Arnell, Geographer, 1 Oct 1999
38. “Computer models predict that the temperature rise will continue at that accelerated pace if emissions of heat-trapping gases are not reduced, and also predict that warming will be especially pronounced in the wintertime.”
Star News, William K. Stevens, New York Times, 11 Mar 2000
39. “In a warmer world, less winter precipitation falls as snow and the melting of winter snow occurs earlier in spring. Even without any changes in precipitation intensity, both of these effects lead to a shift in peak river runoff to winter and early spring, away from summer and autumn.”
Nature, T. P. Barnett et. al., 17 Nov 2005
40. “We are beginning to approximate the kind of warming you should see in the winter season.”
Star News, Mike Changery, National Climatic Data Center, 11 Mar 2000
41. “Milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms but could cause an increase in freezing rain if average daily temperatures fluctuate about the freezing point.”
IPCC Climate Change, 2001
42. “Global climate change is likely to be accompanied by an increase in the frequency and intensity of heat waves, as well as warmer summers and milder winters…9.4.2. Decreased Mortality Resulting from Milder Winters … One study estimates a decrease in annual cold-related deaths of 20,000 in the UK by the 2050s (a reduction of 25%)”
IPCC Climate Change, 2001
43. “The lowest winter temperatures are likely to increase more than average winter temperature in northern Europe. …The duration of the snow season is very likely to shorten in all of Europe, and snow depth is likely to decrease in at least most of Europe.”
IPCC Climate Change, 2007
44. “Snowlines are going up in altitude all over the world. The idea that we will get less snow is absolutely in line with what we expect from global warming.”
WalesOnline, Sir John Houghton – atmospheric physicist, 30 June 2007
45. “In the UK wetter winters are expected which will lead to more extreme rainfall, whereas summers are expected to get drier. However, it is possible under climate change that there could be an increase of extreme rainfall even under general drying.”
Telegraph, Dr. Peter Stott, Met Office, 24 July 2007
46. “Winter has gone forever and we should officially bring spring forward instead. … There is no winter any more despite a cold snap before Christmas. It is nothing like years ago when I was younger. There is a real problem with spring because so much is flowering so early year to year.”
Express, Dr Nigel Taylor, Curator of Kew Gardens, 8 Feb 2008
47. “The past is no longer a guide to the future. We no longer have a stationary climate,”…
Independent, Dr. Peter Stott, Met Office, 27 Jul 2007
48. “It is consistent with the climate change message. It is exactly what we expect winters to be like – warmer and wetter, and dryer and hotter summers. …the winter we have just seen is consistent with the type of weather we expect to see more and more in the future.”
Wayne Elliott, Met Office meteorologist, BBC, 27 Feb 2007
49. “ If your decisions depend on what’s happening at these very fine scales of 25 km or even 5 km resolution then you probably shouldn’t be making irreversible investment decisions now.”
Myles Allen, “one of the UK’s leading climate modellers”, Oxford University, 18 June 2009
50. “It’s great that the government has decided to put together such a scientifically robust analysis of the potential impacts of climate change in the UK.”
Keith Allott, WWF-UK, 18 June 2009
51. “The data collected by experts from the university [of Bangor] suggests that a white Christmas on Snowdon – the tallest mountain in England and Wales – may one day become no more than a memory.”
BBC News, 20 Dec 2004
[BBC 2013: “Snowdon Mountain Railway will be shut over the Easter weekend after it was hit by 30ft (9.1m) snow drifts.”]
52. “Spring is arriving earlier each year as a result of climate change, the first ‘conclusive proof’ that global warming is altering the timing of the seasons, scientists announced yesterday.”
Guardian, 26 Aug 2006.
53. “Given the increase in the average winter temperature it is obvious that the number of frost days and the number of days that the snow remains, will decline. For Europe the models indicate that cold winters such as at the end of the 20th century, that happened at an average once every ten years, will gradually disappear in the course of the century.” (p. 19), and
“…but it might well be that nothing remains of the snowjoy in the Hautes Fagnes but some yellowed photos because of the climate change … moreover an increase in winter precipitation would certainly not be favorable for recreation!” (p38)
Jean-Pascal van Ypersele and Philippe Marbaix, Greenpeace, 2004
54. “Shindell’s model predicts that if greenhouse gases continue to increase, winter in the Northern Hemisphere will continue to warm. ‘In our model, we’re seeing a very large signal of global warming and it’s not a naturally occurring thing. It’s most likely linked to greenhouse gases,’ he said.
NASA, GISS, 2 June 1999
55. “We have seen that in the last years and decades that winters have become much milder than before and that there isn’t nearly as much snowfall. All simulations show this trend will continue in the future and that we have to expect an intense warming in the Alps…especially in the foothills, snow will turn to rain and winter sports will no longer be possible anymore.”
Mojib Latif, Leibnitz Institute for Oceanography, University of Kiel, February 17, 2005
56. Planning for a snowless future: “Our study is already showing that that there will be a much worse situation in 20 years.”
Christopher Krull, Black Forest Tourism Association / Spiegel, 17 Feb 2005
57. “Rhineland-Palatinate, as will be the case for all of Central Europe, will be affected by higher than average warming rates and winters with snow disappearing increasingly.”
Prof. Dr. Hartmut Grassl, “internationally renowned meteorologist”, Director Emeritus, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, 20 Nov 2008
58. “With the pace of global warming increasing, some climate change experts predict that the Scottish ski industry will cease to exist within 20 years.”
Guardian, 14 February 2004
[4 January 2013: “Nevis Range, The Lecht, Cairngorm, Glenshee and Glencoe all remain closed today due to the heavy snow and strong winds.”]
59. “Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry.”
David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 14 Feb 2004
60. “For the Baltic ringed seal, climate change could mean its demise” warned a team of scientists at the Baltic Sea Experiment (Baltex) conference in Goteborg. “This is because the warming leads to the ice on the Baltic Sea to melt earlier and earlier every year.”
Spiegel, 3 June 2006
[The Local 2013: “Late-season freeze sets Baltic ice record … I’ve never seen this much ice this late in the season.”]
61. Forecasters Predict More Mild Winter for Europe
Reuters, Nov 09, 2012
FRANKFURT – European weather in the coming winter now looks more likely to be mild than in previous studies, German meteorologist Georg Mueller said in a monthly report.
“The latest runs are generally in favor of a milder than normal winter, especially over northern Europe.”
62. “Spring is arriving earlier each year as a result of climate change, the first ‘conclusive proof’ that global warming is altering the timing of the seasons, scientists announced yesterday.”
Guardian, 26 August 2006.
63. “Given the increase in the average winter temperature it is obvious that the number of frost days and the number of days that the snow remains, will decline. For Europe the models indicate that cold winters such as at the end of the 20th century, that happened at an average once every ten years, will gradually disappear in the course of the century.” (p19)
“…but it might well be that nothing remains of the snowjoy in the Hautes Fagnes but some yellowed photos because of the climate change … moreover an increase in winter precipitation would certainly not be favorable for recreation!” (p38)
Impact of the climate change in Belgium (translated from Dutch).
Jean-Pascal van Ypersele and Philippe Marbaix for Greenpeace, 2004
64. “The hottest year since 1659 spells global doom”
Telegraph December 14, 2006
65. “Jay Wynne from the BBC Weather Centre presents reports for typical days in 2020, 2050 and 2080 as predicted by our experiment.”
BBCs Climate Change Experiment
66. “Cold winters would gradually disappear.” (p.4)
67. “In Belgium, snow on the ground could become increasingly rare but there would be plenty of grey sky and rain in winter..” (p.6)
The Greenpeace report “Impacts of climate change in Belgium” is available in an abbreviated version in English:
Impacts of climate change in Belgium
Jean-Pascal van Ypersele and Philippe Marbaix for Greenpeace, 2004
Climate scientist van Ypersele is Vice Chair of the IPCC.
68. “Warmer and Wetter Winters in Europe and Western North America Linked to Increasing Greenhouse Gases.”
NASA, June 2, 1999
69. “The global temperature will increase every year by 0.2°C”
Michael Müller, Socialist, State Secretary in the Federal Ministry of Environment, in Die Zeit, January 15, 2007
70. “Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry. It is very vulnerable to climate change; the resorts have always been marginal in terms of snow and, as the rate of climate change increases, it is hard to see a long-term future.”
David Viner, of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.
February 14, 2004
71. “Climate change will have the effect of pushing more and more winter sports higher and higher up mountains,…”
Rolf Burki and his colleagues at the University of Zurich
72. “ In the future, snowdrops will be out in January, primroses in February, mayflowers and lilac in April and wild roses in May, the ponds will be full of tadpoles in March and a month later even the oaks will be in full leaf. If that isn’t enough, autumn probably won’t begin until October.”
Geraint Smith, Science Correspondent, Standard
73. “The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change….There will be more police cars….[since] you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.”
Dr. James Hansen, 1988, in an interview with author Rob Reiss.
Reiss asked how the greenhouse effect was likely to affect the neighborhood below Hansen’s office in NYC in the next 20 years.
74. March 20, 2000, from The Independent, According to Dr David Viner of the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit, snowfall in Britain would become “a very rare and exciting event” and “children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”
75. September 2006, Arnold Schwarzenegger signing California’s anti-emissions law, “We simply must do everything in our power to slow down global warming before it is too late…The science is clear. The global warming debate is over.”
76. 1990 Actress Meryl Streep “By the year 2000 – that’s less than ten years away–earth’s climate will be warmer than it’s been in over 100,000 years. If we don’t do something, there’ll be enormous calamities in a very short time.”
77. April 2008, Media Mogul Ted Turner on Charlie Rose (On not taking drastic action to correct global warming) “Not doing it will be catastrophic. We’ll be eight degrees hotter in ten, not ten but 30 or 40 years and basically none of the crops will grow. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals.”
[Strictly speaking, this is not a failed prediction. It won’t be until at least 2048 that our church-going and pie-baking neighbors come after us for their noonday meal. But the prediction is so bizarre that it is included it here.]
78. January 1970 Life Magazine “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support …the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half…”
79. “Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “At the present rate of nitrogen build-up, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
80. “Earth Day” 1970 Kenneth Watt, ecologist: “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
81. April 28, 1975 Newsweek “There are ominous signs that Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically….The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it….The central fact is that…the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down…If the climate change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.”
82. 1976 Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling,”: “This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.”
83. July 9, 1971, Washington Post: “In the next 50 years fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun’s rays that the Earth’s average temperature could fall by six degrees. Sustained emissions over five to ten years, could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”
84. June, 1975, Nigel Calder in International Wildlife: “The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.”
85. June 30, 1989, Associated Press: U.N. OFFICIAL PREDICTS DISASTER, SAYS GREENHOUSE EFFECT COULD WIPE SOME NATIONS OFF MAP–entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos,” said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program. He added that governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect.
86. Sept 19, 1989, St. Louis Post-Dispatch: “New York will probably be like Florida 15 years from now.”
87. December 5, 1989, Dallas Morning News: “Some predictions for the next decade are not difficult to make…Americans may see the ’80s migration to the Sun Belt reverse as a global warming trend rekindles interest in cooler climates.”
88. Michael Oppenheimer, 1990, The Environmental Defense Fund: “By 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…”(By 1996) The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers…The Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico seeking work as field hands.”
89. April 18, 1990, Denver Post: “Giant sand dunes may turn Plains to desert–huge sand dunes extending east from Colorado’s Front Range may be on the verge of breaking through the thin topsoil, transforming America’s rolling High Plains into a desert, new research suggests. The giant sand dunes discovered by NASA satellite photos are expected to re-emerge over the next 20 t0 50 years, depending on how fast average temperatures rise from the suspected ‘greenhouse effect’ scientists believe.”
90. Edward Goldsmith, 1991, (5000 Days to Save the Planet): “By 2000, British and American oil will have diminished to a trickle….Ozone depletion and global warming threaten food shortages, but the wealthy North will enjoy a temporary reprieve by buying up the produce of the South. Unrest among the hungry and the ensuing political instability, will be contained by the North’s greater military might. A bleak future indeed, but an inevitable one unless we change the way we live…At present rates of exploitation there may be no rainforest left in 10 years. If measures are not taken immediately, the greenhouse effect may be unstoppable in 12 to 15 years.”
91. April 22, 1990 ABC, The Miracle Planet: “I think we’re in trouble. When you realize how little time we have left–we are now given not 10 years to save the rainforests, but in many cases five years. Madagascar will largely be gone in five years unless something happens. And nothing is happening.”
92. February 1993, Thomas E. Lovejoy, Smithsonian Institution: “Most of the great environmental struggles will be either won or lost in the 1990s and by the next century it will be too late.”
93. November 7, 1997, (BBC commentator): “It appears that we have a very good case for suggesting that the El Niños are going to become more frequent, and they’re going to become more intense and in a few years, or a decade or so, we’ll go into a permanent El Nino. So instead of having cool water periods for a year or two, we’ll have El Niño upon El Niño, and that will become the norm. And you’ll have an El Niño, that instead of lasting 18 months, lasts 18 years.”
94. July 26, 1999 The Birmingham Post: “Scientists are warning that some of the Himalayan glaciers could vanish within ten years because of global warming. A build-up of greenhouse gases is blamed for the meltdown, which could lead to drought and flooding in the region affecting millions of people.”
95. October 15, 1990 Carl Sagan: “The planet could face an ‘ecological and agricultural catastrophe’ by the next decade if global warming trends continue.”
96. Sept 11, 1999, The Guardian: “A report last week claimed that within a decade, the disease (malaria) will be common again on the Spanish coast. The effects of global warming are coming home to roost in the developed world.”
97. March 29, 2001, CNN: “In ten year’s time, most of the low-lying atolls surrounding Tuvalu’s nine islands in the South Pacific Ocean will be submerged under water as global warming rises sea levels.”
98. 1969, Lubos Moti, Czech physicist: “It is now pretty clearly agreed that CO2 content [in the atmosphere] will rise 25% by 2000. This could increase the average temperature near the earth’s surface by 7 degrees Fahrenheit. This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10 feet. Goodbye New York. Goodbye Washington, for that matter.”
99. 2005, Andrew Simms, policy director of the New Economics Foundation: “Scholars are predicting that 50 million people worldwide will be displaced by 2010 because of rising sea levels, desertification, dried up aquifers, weather-induced flooding and other serious environmental changes.”
100. Oct 20, 2009, Gordon Brown UK Prime Minister (referring to the Copenhagen climate conference): “World leaders have 50 days to save the Earth from irreversible global warming.”
101. June 2008, Ted Alvarez, Backpacker Magazine Blogs: “you could potentially sail, kayak, or even swim to the North Pole by the end of the summer. Climate scientists say that the Arctic ice…is currently on track to melt sometime in 2008.”
[Shortly after this prediction was made, a Russian icebreaker was trapped in the ice of the Northwest Passage for a week.]
102. May 31, 2006 Al Gore, CBS Early Show: “…the debate among the scientists is over. There is no more debate. We face a planetary emergency. There is no more scientific debate among serious people who’ve looked at the science…Well, I guess in some quarters, there’s still a debate over whether the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona, or whether the Earth is flat instead of round.”
103. January 2000 Dr. Michael Oppenheimer of the Environmental Defense Fund commenting (in a NY Times interview) on the mild winters in New York City: “But it does not take a scientist to size up the effects of snowless winters on the children too young to remember the record-setting blizzards of 1996. For them, the pleasures of sledding and snowball fights are as out-of-date as hoop-rolling, and the delight of a snow day off from school is unknown.”
104. 2008 Dr. James Hansen of the Goddard Space Institute (NASA) on a visit to Britain: “The recent warm winters that Britain has experienced are a sign that the climate is changing.”
[Two exceptionally cold winters followed. The 2009-10 winter may be the coldest experienced in the UK since 1683.]
105. June 11, 1986, Dr. James Hansen of the Goddard Space Institute (NASA) in testimony to Congress (according to the Milwaukee Journal): “Hansen predicted global temperatures should be nearly 2 degrees higher in 20 years, ‘which is about the warmest the earth has been in the last 100,000 years.’”
106. June 8, 1972, Christian Science Monitor: “Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000.”
107. May 15, 1989, Associated Press: “Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide [USA] two degrees by 2010.”
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