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October 27, 2017 8:58 pm

Cullen Says LNG Approval a “Betrayal”

Thursday, September 29, 2016 @ 5:58 AM

Prince George, B.C. – Skeena-Bulkley Valley MP Nathan Cullen is  not happy  the  Federal Government has approved the PacificNorthwest  LNG project.

Cullen says the  approval of the  project  at Lelu Island  is a betrayal of Prime Minister Trudeau’s promise to respect First Nations, science, and Canada’s climate commitments “Justin Trudeau promised to be better than Stephen Harper.  Mr. Trudeau promised a new era of renewed relationships with First Nations, but now he is pushing ahead without proper consultation and in spite of opposition from First Nations here in the Northwest and across BC.”

He says  the announcement,  made in the lower mainland  on Tuesday,  was  a thousand kilometers away from the people and the territory the project will impact “This isn’t how you build trust and respect”.

The approval came with 190 conditions, including a cap on  greenhouse gas emissions.  Even with that condition,  Cullen says  its impossible to  tell how the  climate impacts of the project will fit into  the Prime Minister’s promise to make  Canada a ‘”climate leader”.

Cullen believes the  Pacific Northwest LNG project poses unacceptable risks to Skeena salmon and the communities and cultures that rely on it.

Petronas,  the Malaysian  partner in the project  says it will be carefully reviewing the 190  conditions before making it’s final decision on the $36 billion dollar project.




Cullen is the betrayer once again. He was elected to represent all the people in his riding, not just groups that contribute nothing to the economic engine BC. A project such as this is a huge plus for the whole province and most particularly for the north.

    Couldn’t agree more!

    Congrats contractor, I couldn’t have said it better!
    Mr Cullen and his “Leap Manifesto” party are sliding further and further into obscurity because of attitudes like his. See ya!

    and WHAT groups you referring to that doesn’t contribute to the economic engine

    The nay sayer’s want the milk but don’t want to suck the tit.

So, all you tree hugging, fish kissing greenies. hOw do you expect to maintain your life style. when your Mama, says the well is dry because the old man lost his job in the resources, and mama lost her job because of government cut backs.

    I am no tree hugger or fish kisser but I know that once you destroy a natural environment all life within that environment is at risk. But if you think we will benefit financially you may want to look again. LNG will not pay carbon tax, but you will. Subsidies in the last 12 years to court oil and gas are in the billions – seen lots of jobs for those billions? BC, sport fishing produced revenues of $925 million, contributing $325 million to BC’s GDP and 8,400 direct jobs. LNG will give us 200 maybe.

    Clark and company are only interested in being re-elected and keeping the corps who donate to the Liberal party happy, after all where else can she get a $300k a year job and a $50k stipend with a high school diploma and partying skills?

      Thank you for your comment. I enjoy reading intelligent commentary on current events. You raised some interesting facts about LNG and its potential impacts, and then proceeded to nail Christy Clark to the wall, and right beside where she hangs her high school diploma!

      Premier Clark seems to be keeping the majority of BCers happy, keeping jobs going, don’t see your point. Don’t tell me you’re a minority taxpayer, one a them there No Don’t Play here types?

      Endako and Huckelberry mines closed, sawmills in Quesnel and Houston closed, oil and gas in northeast BC shutting down. Hmmm… where are all these jobs you speak of Grizzly2?

      Oh, maybe you are referring to all those part-time, low paying, jobs down south?

      ht tp://globalnews.ca/news/2585369/jobs-are-coming-to-british-columbia-but-they-arent-full-time-ones/

      You still trying to promote an article that was proven wrong time and again?

      There is no reason “sport fishing” and “LNG” cannot survive together in the same province

Trudeau knows it won’t fly, just like Crusty knew but they still had to say it to give some people some delusion.

The operative words are: “Cullen believes ….. ”

It is like a religion, not a science. He does not know.

The question is, why does he not know?

Maybe because he was not on the panel? Or maybe because he does not understand the science?

And this is why the NDP will be perpetually unelectable.

Short term gain for long term pain.

Natural gas is a nonrenewal resource. Salmon is a renewable resource. This LNG project has the capability to significantly reduce the Skeena salmon run. In 30 or 40 years when the LNG plant is shut down and scrapped, like Skeena cellulose was, we will want to turn back to the salmon. Will they be there?

When the LNG plant is scrapped, what will the Peace River area be like? How many domestic wells will produce flammable water? Will there be any deer, moose, bear and other wildlife left for the locals to put in their freezers? Well drilling will leave such an extensive road and pipeline network that predators will be able to find their prey very easily. We white people have an extremely poor record of resource conservation.

    Good points raised Steve Cooley, your comment was a refreshing read as there are a lot of idiots posting comments on this site today.

    In answer to your question; what will the Peace River area look like, it will look just like this aerial picture of Texas:


    Obviously there would be no room for deer, moose, bear and other wildlife… the useful idiots on this site cannot comprehend the consequences of what they are supporting. Oh well, with LNG prices in the tank, Petronas needs to make a $27 Billion dollar decision, I am hopeful that decision will be “NO”.

      Huh, the link is not working so here is another, if this one does not work just google “aerial view of fracking in Texas”.

      ht tp://commonsensecanadian.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Birds-eye-view-of-Texas-fracking-provides-earth-shattering-reality-check.jpg

      Very well spoken as one who has never been to the area except maybe by car hey? Good job on the name calling, bravo.

      Yes the Salmon will be there, I am sure they will find their way around the tanker docked as they do now on the container terminal. Compare a pulp mill to a tanker terminal, awesome parallel

Cullen conveniently omits stating the fact that 190 conditions are attached to the approval.

Cullen: “… but now he is pushing ahead without proper consultation and in spite of opposition from First Nations here in the Northwest and across BC.”

Further consultations and negotiations are parts of the 190 conditions that must be met! The people in his riding need jobs and economic activity just as much as anywhere else!

This is the typical braying from those who are in opposition – voters know what it is! That’s why the NDP took another dive in the last election!

If the people in Cullens riding need jobs, then why did we allow the Watson Island Pulp Mill, the Eurocan Pulp Mill in Kitimat, the sawmills and fisheries in the area all to be shut down, and allow logs in the area to be exported to China/Japan. In addition Rio Tinto after its huge upgrade now operates its aluminum plant with 400 less people.

The idea that LNG will create any long term jobs is BS. Most of the plant will be built by foreign workers mainly because BC does not have enough qualified people to build a LNG plant. Once the plant is built you will be lucky if you have 250/300 full time jobs.

So don’t believe all the BS on LNG. This whole Petronas thing is more about getting Christy re elected than it is about creating jobs for people in BC.

Keep your eye on the ball.

    Why did we (the people or the government?) allow these companies to shut down? Because they became obsolete, money losers, no wood supplies…no markets, or something else! Did anyone expect the government to keep them going with annual financial bail outs from taxpayers money? In Kitimat Eurocan employees had an option to buy the mill. Minimum investment per worker 25 grand. They did not show up in sufficient numbers to take over the mill as owners and to save their jobs. Lots of talk but no action! Raw log exports from First Nations or private land are legal and a smelter with 400 less employees is much better than no smelter at all.

    Agreed, looks like a number of sheeple have bought into the LNG “pipe dream” and will be voting for Christy. It’s delusional thinking really, these same people probably still have dreams of massive cargo jets lined up on our extended airport runway.

    Grown adults who still believe in fairy tales!


Much of the logs exported are coming off of First Nations lands out there as they do not need many of the permits that logging companies do to export raw logs. I dont agree with the raw log export either.

Watson Island was a disaster from the start and went through several owners before the NDP tried saving it and they couldnt do it either.

I would hope that one of the conditions of the agreement would be that some of the dollars that Petronas would pump into the economy would be to pay for some economic projects for that area to see if there is some way that some of the people affected could make a living.The unemployment rate in the Hazeltons has been through the roof since Carnaby closed in the 1990’s and they cannot survive forever on tree planting and mushroom picking

We “allowed” other plants to close because in our country we do not force companies to operate uneconomic plants. Part of the reason to accept LNG with its mix of risks and potential benefits, is because the other primary industries have departed or employ less people. You could include mines and oil & gas in that group too if you look at central and northern BC.

Export of logs is a hot button issue, but on the north coast it is creating some employment from logs that would not be processed in BC if they were not exported. For the most part logs are not exported from the Interior at all.

We have to make some compromises and live with some risk, or there will be an economic wasteland north of Kamloops. How much risk and of what type, we all see that differently, and gov’t has to decide.


Global *free* trade is running into quite a bit of vocal opposition as of lately! Some underdeveloped countries are enjoying some benefits, but many others (like the US, Spain, Italy and Canada) are struggling to keep manufacturing industries which employ significant numbers of people. Go to any hardware, electronics or clothing store and try to find something that is actually made in Canada.

So in order to keep us going we must export something that other countries are actually willing to buy. The competition out there is fierce and uncompromising.

I expected and got the usual **Liberal** response from PrinceGeorge.

It seems rather strange to me that the Governments hands are clean, and they have no responsibility when it comes to pulp mill, sawmill, mine, and fisheries, closures, these are all the responsibility of business and the markets.

The same Government sells us out on natural gas, gives lucrative deals to LNG mpanies, and takes all the responsibility and credit. These kinds of deals cost us hundreds of millions of dollars, for a few paltry jobs, however it seems we do not have the money or the inclination to try and save a few jobs in the interior.

Time to quit defending the Liberal buffoons.

I was in Prince Rupert in the early 1960’s and they were exporting logs to Japan then, and have been exporting logs from the West Coast of BC for at least 50 years. The latest spin on these exports is that it is the Natives that are doing it, however there is more to it than that.

We have been sold down the river by the Liberals. We have no recourse through the NDP, so we are basically screwed unless we can elect enough Greens, Conservatives, and Independents to get some form of coalition Government that can apply some pressure to the Liberals.

Wake up and smell the roses

    We were in Rupert when the Alaska ferry was being picketed by the Fisherman’s Union (I do not remember the exact name, sorry), no tourism, the mill was down together with a litany of other economic problems! I sat on the patio of the hotel and had a beer or two, talking to some of the locals who had quite a tale to tell! The **liberals** were not in power, the other party was though. Later the four of us went to a restaurant with a Greek theme – we spent a lot of time there, there were no other patrons, not a single one. The rest of the town looked dark and gloomy. No roses to smell!

And so once again the the great pre-election “sales job”, oops I meant “snow job” begins, the proverbial “carrot” has been danged in front of everyone’s faces, and by the looks of it, some are going for it yet again.

This all reminds me of Linus convincing Charlie Brown’s sister Sally about how the Great Pumpkin will visit the pumpkin patch and give goodies to the children who are there.

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Once again the snow job commences!

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And once again we end up disappointed!

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Yet how does one convince the delusional, that they actually are delusional?

    It is always pre-election, it is also always post-election

First there are court battles to over come, then the $30 Billion to build the plant and pipeline, so me thinking huff and puff all you want the plant and pipeline will be built what year depends on price of oil and present price and demand for natural gas. My guess is when the economic stars line up they will first start on the pipeline and then the LNG plant which will take 4 to 5 years to build. Natural gas speculators state if the stars lineup your 10 to 12 years away from production and who knows what new technologies will be available to improve both production and emissions. So I say let them huff and puff and blow their own house down :)

This is why Petronas will not pursue the BC LNG pipe dream, reality raises it’s ugly head:

“But Citibank says there is “no white knight coming” for distressed natural gas producers any time soon.“The assumption that coal-to-gas switching works just as well at low prices looks to be questionable due to unintended consequences of coal plant retirements, rising renewables generation taking market share and flat power load growth,” the bank said in a research report.

Looks like Ataloss was right all along, as Citibank concedes; “rising renewables generation is taking LNG market share…”

We need to use natural gas to entice industry to locate in BC, and more specifically BC’s Interior.

You have to be completely off your rocker to drill for gas, build a pipeline to Prince Rupert, build a greenhouse gas spewing LNG plant, freeze the gas, load it on a ship, send it to Korea, or Japan, where it is unloaded and piped to a destination where it is used to produce electricity, while at the same time it appears that you are unable to build one or two natural gas generating plants in BC and eliminate flooding the Peace River Valley.

There is no need for Site C as we do not need the power, nor does the USA, so pretending that there is a market for this electricity is a specious argument.

Any additional power we need for the next 100 years could be produced by natural gas, and other types of energy which we are already producing. (Windmills in the Chetwynd area)

Natural gas used in BC to produce electricity would be much less polluting than LNG plants.

So, as mentioned above, once again we are being sold a bill of goods.

    Site C is needed, we have to drop Burrard Thermal in the next few years and the amount of households in BC will go up not down. Hydroelectric is firm power for generations to come

I am so excited. When is the next job fair?

@ oldman1… that’s funny!

Petronas’ investment in the project would depend on LNG prices that have dropped by over a third in two years amid worries about oversupply and faltering Chinese demand.

“The economics (of the project) require much higher LNG prices than currently and than are forecast for the next few years,” said Wood Mackenzie analyst Alex Munton. “That’s what we think will cause Petronas to pause investment until it’s more confident about future gas prices.”

“Asian spot LNG prices have dropped by some 70 percent since 2014. Energy consultancy FGE has forecast the supply glut to peak at around 23 million tonnes a year by 2020 and persist through 2023.”

ht tp://in.reuters.com/article/canada-petronas-lng-idINKCN11Y1IQ

Hmmm… so the LNG supply glut is to persist up to 2024. Wow… and by that time alternative energy will have captured an even larger share of the market! So looking forward to a world run by clean alternative energy sources… good bye fossil fuels, too bad we keep electing governments that are stuck on investing in an energy source with no long term future!

LNG is an interm energy source leading to 4g and molten salt nuclear.

So long as Canada is part of the Paris treaty this makes absolutely no sense at all.

I heard the environment minister today when she was called out on Canada’s emission targets justified the LNG approval by saying we could still meet our carbon ‘targets’ make making cuts in other industries that would off set the carbon being introduced through LNG exports.

This is huge. This means that not only are we exporting a non renewable low cost energy source for a low cost to our industrial competitors… but we will offset those low cost energy exports by constraining our existing industrial base with further higher energy costs to induce them to use less energy to offset the exported low cost energy… meaning the cost of doing business in Canada will go up by the cost of these exports… and these exports will not be paying any carbon tax that will be imposed on Canadian industry.

It is completely insane and a policy that could only be formulated by people that have no direct connection to the real economy. To then claim that they are the ones saving us with resource jobs is just plain insane. Its government bureaucrats taking from one pocket to feed another, and in this case taking from the pocket of our industrial competitiveness to give to the globalist financial oligarchy through global warming carbon schemes.

I suspect the whole Site C deal is to hide the carbon emissions of LNG through the hydro power consumption for its compression. Thereby limiting the blame for our higher carbon costs that will arise from LNG exports.

If we had no carbon costs and off setting schemes than LNG exports would have more merit, but otherwise we are just suckers that will be subsidizing this project with the viability of our own existing jobs and industrial base.

It is important to note that the liberals have no plans to exempt LNG exports from Canada’s pledged carbon reduction commitments… and that hidden cost is going to be a tax on all of us.

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