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Friday Free for All – December 2nd

Friday, December 2, 2016 @ 12:00 AM

Another month has come and gone,  as has another week.  That can only mean one thing, it’s time for the Friday Free for All.

You pick the topic,  but  please obey  our three simple rules,  failure to do so could mean your comment may be edited, or  deleted.

Keep it clean

Keep it legal

No Bullying


A happy and safe weekend to all.
Let’s slow down on the roads and arrive intact.

Happy Friday

Let the name calling and fighting begin :)

Well Sunny Boy sure showed his true colors praising Castro like he did. Pretty bad when our leader shares the same view of Castro as North Korea, that should tell everyone something. I can tell you one thing, Trudeau does not speak for ALL Canadians!!

    What PM ever has?

    I was hoping at the time that Batista had stayed in power. The USA always had a love affair with right wing dictators rather than left wing dictators.

    Remember, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi of Iran? You know, the one who wanted to make Persia great again.

      Really you were hoping Batista stayed in power? That is just crazy. He was one of the most heinous dictators in the world at the time. Batista is the only reason a guy like Castro was able to come to power in the first place. One dictator doesn’t make the other acceptable… we don’t have to pick.

      The Shah of Iran found out what it was all about cutting the CIA out of the money, and the world got its first fundamentalist state in the modern era (one could argue so far to the right that it gets confused with the left)… long before the world knew what a color revolution really was.

      No matter the dictator, no matter their politics…. The only thing a Canadian politician should praise in relation to any of these figures is the bedrock Canadian values of free speech, a freedom to vote in our government, our stance on fundamental human rights of the individual, and our economic order of equal opportunity free enterprise and anti monopoly small business friendly governance. IMO


      Spotting sarcasm isn’t a strong point with you, is it?

      Good doG!

      Not just sarcasm but any nuance or subtleties in the written language be it tongue-in cheek, wit ,irony,etc.

      It helps to explain why he takes as the gospel truth the words written on every wacky wingnut website(alliteration) that post crackpot conspiracy(x2)theories.

      I wonder if E1 spotted the point to ponder poised in the previous paragraph(x3)? Can it be truth if it comes from a work of fiction?

      Well said, gopg2015! Throwing stones while living in a glass house is a bad idea, even for the right wing Trudeau haters! It could also be just a simple case of an inferiority/envy complex.

      Batista was repressive and he did sell out Cuba’s interests to American businesses and the Mafia, but compared to the various Communist dictators of the period, especially Mao, he wasn’t so bad.

      The Shah is a much more interesting case. He did a tremendous amount of good for Iran by creating modern infrastructure, liberating women, and generally moving Iran away from the Islamists. He made two big mistakes. One was being too autocratic and cruel in repressing dissent. The other was being too ostentatious, flaunting his personal wealth, and catering to the wealthy. His attempts at modernization aroused the anger of the clergy; his autocratic style and ostentation created opposition on the part of the more liberal segment of society.

      Gopgis not using sarcasm. Learn to read. He is saying we are better off with Castro than Batista. He is saying the Shah was better than the Islamists. He is comparing dictators and saying this one is not so bad, so better than the other one. He is saying to leave alone the dictators because the next one could be worse.

      My response to that for those that can not comprehend is that our PM should not be in the business of picking one dictator as good in relation to other dictators. All dictators are bad and the only thing our PM should say on our behalf is to stress our core Canadian values in contrast to all dictators. … Not that Batista was better than Castro or the Shah was better than the Islamists… Or that Castro did great things, some that were controversial.

      This equivilating of the good dictator is how the left brought us Syria today. A Syria where we are to believe the MSM that America supports the good terrorist in Alepo in the fight against isis who are the bad terrorist (also supported by the Americans and their allies in the region). Same mind set as gopg in his comments above. So by his logic we should be supporting al nusra because they aren’t isis, no matter the fact they are both Islamist committing war crimes against civilian populations.

      I don’t buy that argument if made as sarcasm or not.

      In sparrows narrow world view, anyone that questions the mainstream media narrative is an antisemite. We are not allowed to think for ourselves, just get spoon feed the ‘politically correct’ narrative on global views.


      If we want to surmise things that he never said then I figure he wanted Batista to stay in power for 50 years then die and have President Dumpster wax eloquently about what a man of stature, vision and strength Batista was. Because the Americans never have a problem cozying up to Fascist and neo-Fascist dictatorships.

    Nice deflection, bring in the US policy to somehow answer for sunny boys slip ups. Last time I checked we were red and white with no blue mixed in.

It looks as though winter might show up here next week. Bundle up folks and be sure to bring your pets indoors.

Now where did I leave my block heater extension cord?

Good morning everyone. You too Peter.
Like Metalman said, lets be careful out there. Have a good weekend everyone.

To everyone that grew,( or like me.,tried to grow) a mustache or donated to Movember thank you very much :)

    A great cause but gotta love December 1st which signals the disappearance of so many 1970s porn star mustaches. ;-)

So no Northern Gateway and its not the end of the world.

Sure would be nice if PG rounded the corner on how a modern city economy is grown. PG continues in the belief from 40-years ago that an economy is only built with primary sector employment like forestry, mining, oil and gas. In the 70’s this made up more than 80% of the GDP after all; in modern times its less than half now. The majority of GDP is now made up in the financial industry… banks creating money through fractional reserve banking, and profits and interest paid, and insurance portfolios ect ect. This economic growth is not tied to location to resources, or the education of the work force, or access to energy… its tied to where people want to live.

Modern cities that grow do so because they are places people want to live. They invest in the kinds of growth that contribute to quality of life for its residents. They become successful because people with investments want to call it home, people that live on pensions, people that want to run their own business, people that want to live in an area for its lifestyle. Kelowna, or Vancouver, or Victoria, or even Chiliwack are not successful because of their industrial base… they are successful because those are places people want to live and bring their financial investments with them.

PG city hall as I see often wants to bring business to town by tax cuts, or some form of subsidy… in a way that makes this city look like a risky investment… and often its at the expense of what truly makes a modern city livable… like protecting neighborhood parks; and neighborhoods from disruptive zoning changes; and downloading more and more costs on residential property owners.

Just imagine the city PG could be today if all the money wasted on things like development agencies over the last twenty years were instead spent on upgrading our parks and trails systems, providing street lighting to basic streets like 10th avenue or up the Hart, upgrading our graveyard to being a place people can be buried in dignity, and ensuring we have the kinds of sidewalks and garbage clean up and flower gardens and all the other things that create a quality of life environment. I bet the investment in quality of life would have seen a much greater return than investment in industrial growth over the last 20-30 years.

Myself I think the city should focus its urban growth around the light industrial area bordered by Ospika, 15th avenue, Central street, and Massey Drive. As the industrial buildings mature and go through natural replacements fill the area in with highrise residential and downtown like amenities. The area is the highest elevation in the bowl allowing for underground parking and maybe even future mass transit (unlike the current downtown area a few feet above the flood plain and essentially under the smoke stacks of two refineries and three of the worlds largest pulp mills).

I think this light industrial area is the future central core to the city. This is an area rich in quality of life amenities close by. A first step would be for the city to allow for large scale residential projects in this area, while simultaneously encouraging the light industrial community to other ares of the city more recently developed for such kinds of activities like the Willow Cale North road along the Fraser River, and the Boundary Road industrial site near the airport (essentially $50 million the city invested in these two industrial sites with no development taking place). PG could then truly fill in without much growth at all to the existing infrastructure of the city… and the scales of economics it would create would pale in comparison to the community pride from a city with a future as metrics that would fuel future growth.

I think the past focus on 3rd and George for urban development, and tax cuts to major industrial, and funding to bring businesses to PG… have all been a huge failure and at some point an analysis should be done that will likely conclude the same thing and maybe invoke some new ideas on how to make real investments in our city.

Who knows, time will tell I guess.

    You’re describing a world where we all get rich selling each other things with no down payment. Just each party to every transaction raising the price to the next one, ad infinitum. If anything, it shows the growing disconnect there now is between actual ‘wealth’ and the supposedly accurate numerical REFLECTION of it we call ‘money’.

    I doubt there’s any city anywhere which wouldn’t like to create the kind of pseudo-industrial ‘Disneyland’ you’re picturing for Prince George. Some get a lot further along the way towards it than others, seemingly anyways. But, to use Ujjal Dosanjh’s favorite sentence opener, “At the end of the day….”, somebody somewhere still has actually got to produce some REAL ‘wealth’. And no amount of finangling mere ‘figures’, even ones with dollar signs in front of them, can be a permanent substitute for that. ‘Money’ is only good for what it will BUY. And ‘inflation’ is a poor substitute for ‘prosperity’.

      I agree. The world of finance no longer reflects actual reality in the economy. I am saying other cities have benefited greatly from this and it makes sense not to ignore it. People with accumulated capital moving to a city can greatly diversify a local economy with cash flows that benefit everyone is the short of it.

It’s been quite a week for Prime Minister Selfie and his shiny ponies.

Disturbing praise for Castro, approving the Kinder Morgan expansion (personally I don’t care but BC Liberal MPs raised eyebrows), and now slapping the ERRE Committee on election reform for “not working hard enough” (the committee has Liberals in it as well as the opposition). Add on to this, cash for access functions.

This is like watching a political version of Fight Club. Three more years to go. Hopefully Jr is one-and-done.

    Curse it Brother Gecko….Robert Paulson didn’t die so you could just throw Fight Club out there all willy nilly like.

    1st Rule…

Sure is obvious that are some drivers should have stayed home this morning. 40-50 km down the Hart just running their driving lights no tail lights no signal lights. If you’re afraid to drive, best stay in bed.

    Tail lights / signal lights aside – those should definitely be used, how about some patience for the people driving slower to get to their destination alive? I prefer someone slow down than drive outside their comfort level. I don’t think I’m any more important than they are.

    I find the “stay in bed” remark incredibly arrogant. Guaranteed, if someone is afraid to drive in the new snow and ice, they would rather stay home but I’m sure they have obligations, just as I do.

      Thanks northernspirit, I couldn’t have said it better myself. Slow down, use your road sense.

      Those people who are terrified of slippery roads will invariably react wrong in a situation such as a skid. They should take a taxi.

      Just because someone has a healthy respect of the road conditions does not mean they don’t know how to react. Additionally, driving to the road conditions means you are less likely to end up in trouble in the first place. I would bet money that the vast majority, if not all of these accidents are NOT caused by those who are slowing down when appropriate and using their road sense. With the number of accidents that have been happening, I’m appalled at anyone criticizing anyone for slowing down and using caution.

      I have the ability to drive according to the road conditions and to drive defensively. Every year I am nervous driving on the ice, so I drive accordingly. If I am not comfortable doing the speed limit, I will not do the speed limit and no self entitled bozo is going to bully me to stay home, take a taxi or speed up. Your life and your schedule is no more important than mine.

      Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

      True, most accidents when conditions change to slippery are due to hot shot drivers thinking they don’t have to adjust their driving habits, frequently the guys in the 4×4’s who forgot last winter.

      But next to screw up are the fraidy-cats.

      I drive according to road conditions, but that doesn’t mean I’m afraid to do more than crawl. I’ve seen some of the timid drivers get into a spot of trouble in slippery conditions. They either over-correct or freeze and/or slam on the brakes.

      Northern Spirit, good, common sense posts.

How about the airlines forget about cons like Air Miles and just give us lower prices and better service?

    The rewards programs will keep going because people like to believe they are getting something for free, without realizing the cost of their free reward is included in the cost of the product. Unfortunately the people who don’t use reward cards are the ones paying the most for so called free rewards.

another spring morning in the beauitful north.how much did this bike lane stuff cost us with all the signage through out town and the painting.we all pay because of a few.is there a helmet law? pedestrians wake up have a good day play safe

    Total waste of money. I knew enough to ride on the right when I was in grade 2.

      And the black diamond on some of the bike signs. Some big city folks might think that means HOV lane instead of the Prince George cell phone lane.

    In the beautiful north? Of where? We are about 98 km off the geographical center of B.C. I chuckle at the south media who call us the north, they haven’t a clue.
    Dease Lake, Atlin, Ft. Nelson is north hell, even Mackenzie is north, we are centered, we are awesome, we are the Best!.

If you are going to insist on wearing all black or all white while out for your morning walk could you please do us drivers a favour and walk down the middle of the road so we can Darwin Award you for your intelligence or lack thereof. Thank you

Global land temperatures have plummeted by one degree Celsius since the middle of this year – the biggest and steepest fall on record.

But the news has been greeted with an eerie silence by the world’s alarmist community. You’d almost imagine that when temperatures shoot up it’s catastrophic climate change which requires dramatic headlines across the mainstream media and demands for urgent action. But that when they fall even more precipitously it’s just a case of “nothing to see here”.

ht tp://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/30/global-temperatures-plunge-icy-silence-climate-alarmists/

Question with newer cars having having these new fangled gizmos to help on stay in their lane, hold a steady speed with the car in front. Now how many have this stuff turned off? Kind of distracting to speed, weave in and out of lanes with alarms going off all the time.

Autonomous cars, never happen, there would be no hart 500. Cannot see people plodding along in neat rows to work. Hey look a space in the next lane, grab it Hal.

Watch your backs people. Valhalla Transport is cruising hwy 16 and passing on double solid lines. I have seen video of it and am hearing numerous stories about them. They are going to kill someone. If you witness their trucks being driven dangerously please report it.

Sure would be nice if the access road and parking lot for the Greenway trail near the university would get graded. But I guess with resources all directed to those heavily used bike lanes the basics get neglected.

All this noise the city advertises to get outside for exercise one first needs a lifted 4 by 4 to get near the trail. I am not exaggerating, do not try it with your low slung honda civic.

    I think the University looks after that road, not the city.

So correct me if I am wrong here but did I hear on the radio our federal member of parliament say the first nations people are upset over the cancellation of the endbridge pipeline because of the the future job losses…if I heard correct are you serious…

    Heard just the opposite from Haida Gwaii and Haisla, very happy indeed.

    Wait until Enbridge stops pumping money into the Northwest . That is when the crying is going to start.

Some are upset, some are happy and some don’t care either way! Just like the rest of us.

I’ve been busy reading , Elon Musk by Ashlee Vance with collaboration of Elon Musk . Stopping in at FFA and here I am again looking into the twofivezero alternate universe of brietbart lies ,bigotry , traffic whining and climate change deniers . I’m going back to the reality of what is happening on the grand stage . I’ll leave you to your distopian veiw of your microscopic little part of the world . Btw Castro is still dead .

    As usual, all you can do to support your view is name calling. Not that we expect anything more from you.

    Figure out what arbitrage is yet ataloss? “go back to reality”? You have never been there, so good luck with that.

      Have you noticed that with Ataloss absent, all the other warmists are absent at the same time?


    Ataloss still waiting

    Still waiting, hello, still waiting.

How to remove Light Bars from N Bars, bring in M O T Rules, Vehicles can only have the Original Lights from the Factory, Offenders pay huge Fines, plus remove the Light Bar ! Enforcement we need now!

    Yes what is with this. WAY to many dorks with these. And the other side many with one light only. Time to see some enforcement

    Actually there are some light bars on the market that are legal usually sigle row and approved by CSA

    If covered, legal. Its the super bright headlights and factory installed auxiliary lights that are the issue. I don’t see anyone driving around town with their lightbars on.

    On the highway light bars and aux lights are a good idea with our wildlife and have had no issue with people turning them off to oncoming traffic. Its the transport and logging trucks with super bright headlights at eye level being a very serous safety risk to oncoming traffic, totally blinding.

      I see a lot of people driving around with their light bars on in town, even during the day. Wouldn’t be an issue light bars and aux lights on the highway if those who had them turned them off for oncoming traffic but most (if not all) that have them on do not

      Legal for highway use means they can be on your vehicle on the road uncovered is all, but still illegal to have on if they impede the vision of other drivers

Are we to believe that the Countries that are now friendly trading partners with the USA, Ie; Russia, China, Vietnam, are all friendly communist Countries, and that Cuba, and North Korea, are BAD communist Countries.

Seems to me that a Communist is a Communist by any other name. So lets quite pretending that somehow Castro was worse that Mao, Ho Chi Min, or Stalin.

    Did anyone say that Castro was worse that Mao, Ho Chi Min, or Stalin? Not that I’ve heard. All they’re saying is that he was just as bad, not the saint that some would have us believe.

    If that is true, then a democrat must be a democrat or a democracy must be a democracy.

    But we all know that Canada is far superior to any other democracy in the world.

    So, if J Trudeau should die, the world leaders will come to mourn his passing.

    If Trump were to die, the world leaders would come to rejoice.

      Canada is far superior to any other democracy in the world? In what way?

      Trump was democratically elected in a free and fair election, so by your reasoning, he’s as democratic as any other elected leader.

      If Trump were to die, the world dictators and would-be dictators (like the UN) would come to rejoice.

      “”A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.”


      “The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more.”

      Alexander Fraser Tytler

      Any of this sounding just a bit familiar?

      All that shows is who J Trudeau really works for. The same debt dealers all those world ‘leaders’ do. More than likely Trump, too. He’s just doing their bidding a little more covertly.

“if you are not a socialist by 20 you have no heart
If you are not a conservative by 40 you have no brains.”

Winston Churchill

    Churchill is a very example! He changed parties whenever it was to his advantage until nobody wanted to have anything to do with him anymore. The ultimate opportunist, quoting him is useless.

      Accidentally left out very *worst* example.

      For once you and I agree, Prince George! And just who was it that kept dear old Winnie in scotch, soda, and cigars in his “wilderness years” before he made his big comeback as wartime PM? Anyone who’d made so many previous boneheaded mistakes in politics would’ve been jettisoned by the electorate long before, but somehow he managed to survive. Now just how could that have been? Unless someone had him on retainer until he might be useful to them.

    So, if you are 21 and still not a socialist, and then eventually turn 41 and are not a conservative, you must be a heartless, brainless libertarian.

Fill the area with high rise residential and Downtown amenities sounds like a good plan. A good spot would be on Victoria St. get rid of the Connaught Inn and the old Ranch Motel and that whole strip could be made into something great. Its prime property.

    Trump Tower, he we come. Waiting to observe the “art of the deal”.

      he = here

Seamutt, you say those things and or quote Churchill as if those two items are on the same spectrum, linear, and mutually exclusive!
The fact is that one can be Fiscally Conservative, and Socially liberal ie, believe in balanced budgets, and don”t give a damn who someone sleeps with! You can be Extremely conservative socially, and essentially a communist when it comes to fiscal policy, ie total state control of media, employment, thought control, no freedom of religion…and yet take responsibility for your population from sperm to worm.
The most heinous dictators in history have been for the most part Extreme left or right wing ideologues, but the true look and feel of their governments are the same!
So you can be a liberal capitalist, and even a conservative socialist if you break the spectrum down to just Fiscal and Social views!
Where those two crossover is where we used to find the red tories and the blue liberals!

    Oh an overthuoght.

In Facebook there is a picture of Trudeau with the caption,

Some where in Canada a village has lost its idiot.

Now that’s funny

    They just photoshopped his photo into the original that showed a picture of Harper.

    They have no imagination. They play both sides with the same joke. And you fell for it. LOL

      Sorry I forgot he is your dictator loving hero

    I had expected your nasty name callingand ridicule of our PM would stop after he approved two pipelines, thereby easing your anxiety about plants running out of CO2, but apparently the nasties will continue forever. Fortunately most readers have grown used to it and do not expect anything better anymore.

Where is Retired 02?

I just saw the results of a new survey on this evening’s local CKPG news broadcast. The survey showed the best cities in BC to work in in BC 2017.

According to the CKPG website, “Prince George is moving up in the province according to BC Business Magazine’s ranking of “Best Cities to Work in BC 2017″. Prince George came in at number 18…which is up one spot from last year, and nine spots from 2015.”

We beat out Abbotsford/Mission, who came in 19th!

We beat you Retired 02, not too much, but a win is still a win, haha!

Oh, almost forgot…CHEERS!

Would love to see a list of people who get charged and convicted for cutting a Christmas tree without a permit. This is the dumbest thing ever. Who is going to enforce this and what is the penalty.

    I think the intent is to try and control wasteful cutting of tree’s,.

Churchills quote apparently went like this.

If you are a socialist at 21 you have a heart. If you are still a socialist at 41 you have no head.

Another interesting quote on socialism.

**Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.**


    Whereas Capitalism’s “virtue” is the distribution of misery to the many for the benefit of the few.

      Logic peddler . As if anyone here wants any of that .

    Hmmmm I think the first quote was from George Bernard Shaw:

    “If you’re not a socialist at 20, you don’t have a heart. If you’re still a socialist at 40, you don’t have a brain.”

    A similar quote from Churchill on socialism went like this:

    The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings.

    The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.”

    He was a bit wrong on that one, in socialism the ruling elite and their cronies don’t share the misery, they live like royalty.

Just want to thank all the Ministries and their university educated consultants,the special interest groups and corporations for making the hiways much safer,I can now safely talk and text in my chipped up diesel hauling my sleds at 130 k without ever hitting a moose.maybe we could get together and get rid of that infestation of caribou out in the Mcgregors so we can sled out there.Anyways hope ICBC will reward us with lower rates next year for us northerners.

What a difference 17 hours make . Just not here . Am I ever enjoying my new book . So well written . It’s so good I can’t stop reading it . I thought I’d take a break and have a laugh . Thanks . No body mangles quotations like the 250 righties . Or is that wrongies ? Has PG ever had a comedy scene ? And angry old guys shaking their fist at clouds doesn’t qualify as comedy . Dam you CO2 is funny though . I see your orange American Peotus just destroyed 44 years of diplomacy with China . What an idiot .

    Still can’t do any better than name calling…..

Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour.

(Who volunteers for these tests?)

My dog sleeps about 20 hours a day.

He has his food prepared for him. He can eat whenever he wants.

His meals are provided at no cost to him.
He visits the Dr. once a year for his checkup, and again during the year if any medical needs arise.

For this he pays nothing and nothing is required of him.

He lives in a nice neighborhood in a house that is much larger than he needs, but he is not required to do any upkeep.

If he makes a mess, someone else cleans it up.

He has his choice of luxurious places to sleep.

He receives these accommodations absolutely free.

He is living like a King, and has absolutely no expenses whatsoever.

All of his costs are picked up by others who go out and earn a living every day.

I was just thinking about all this, and suddenly it hit me like a brick.

My dog is a Socialist!

    So what you are saying is that your dog is smarter than you are.

      The Food Bank Program, administered by Social Welfare Canada is actually proud of the fact that “It is distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food vouchers ever!”

      Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the Canada Parks and Natural Resources, asks us to “Please Do Not Feed the Animals.” Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.

      The Left cannot see both sides of any issue. They cannot (or dare not) treat any rival viewpoints with respect, not even the respect needed to address or refute them. This alleviates the Left from the burden of actually meeting a burden of proof, indeed, of actually making any argument at all. They just ask opposing viewpoints to shut up.

      The great selling point of the Left, the great promise of PC, is that all issues are orthodox and settled, and the great debate of the human condition, all the mysteries of life, no longer are open to discussion. The matter is closed. Talk must stop. Correct thinking is true; incorrect thinking is heresy. You must shut up. You must shut up. You must shut up.


      Yet another unsubstantiated story that, even if true, has been warped by you to mean something other than the real truth.

      Typical tired Con trick to blame the response to a problem for the problem itself.

      You obviously haven’t been paying attention to the calls from the left for opposing viewpoints to be banned. Demands to The Citizen to ban any letters debunking the global warming scam. Leftist students rioting and making threats to prevent speakers such as Netanyahu and Coulter from speaking, Sec. 13 of the Canadian Human Rights code that was used to supress criticism, political correctness, speech codes. It’s rampant.

Any further word on that 4 vehicle accident West of town last night???

Riddle me this . How is a pipeline shipping tar that is owned by a dozen different countries ( not ours ) that are paying the Koch brothers for the ( majority of leases ) privilege for pumping our tar off to China in Canada’s national interest ? The absertity is staggering . How can they say that with a straight face ? What’s the difference between Harper and Trudeau on this ? None .

    But then all that tar comes back as a product that the protesting snowflakes can use to keep warm.

    Still waiting?

    How is selling resources to other countries in Canada’s interest? It makes us money, provides jobs (and a good living) for the workers and business people here and taxes for the government coffers, municipal, provincial and federal. How can you say that is not in our national interest? We sell coal, steel, copper, aluminium, lumber, pulp, paper, pellets, grain, beef, pork and a host of other resources to foreign countries as well. It’s called trade.

    (The Kochs own most of the leases??? Wow, that’s a new one!)

Hey Ataloss, thought you might like this article that just came out today. Seems we now have a hydrogen fueled Semi-Truck capable of out performing Diesel Trucks… and the barriers keep falling!

ht tps://www.inverse.com/article/24620-nikola-unveils-hydrogen-powered-truck

No need for comment from the fossils, they remind me of the horse and buggy dealers watching the first horseless carriage drive by; “those will never replace the good ole horse and buggy” they said.

    Nat. gas burning trucks have been around for quite some time. What’s the major component of N. gas? Hydrogen. So for a hydrogen burning truck, all you need is a basic N. gas burning truck.

    So here’s the question:

    Where do you get the hydrogen?

    When they had hydrogen burning busses for the Vancouver Olympics, they trucked it in from Quebec – with diesel burning semis. Yeah, that made sense!

    Hydrogen is a great fuel, the most plentiful element in the universe and it’s only emission is water.

    Problem is, in order to extract hydrogen, it takes more energy than the hydrogen contains. So if you’re concerned about CO2 emissions, you’re better off burning diesel.

      The major component of natural gas is not hydrogen. It is methane with some element of ethane, propane and other heavier hydrocarbons. The only component with a hydrogen connection is hydrogen sulphide in trace amounts.

      I decided to look into it further in case I was wrong. Methane is 4 hydrogen atoms bound to a carbon atom. So I was mistaken that hydrogen sulphide was the only hydrogen component. Still, Methane and hydrogen are two different animals, so to say hydrogen is the main component of Nat gas is still wrong.

      Yes they’re two different animals, but the major component is still hydrogen.

      But what about that problem.

      How can hydrogen become a viable fuel alternative when it takes more energy to extract hydrogen than it contains?

      If I knew the answer to that, I wouldn’t be wasting my time on the comment section of the 250.

      Fusion would do it.

      Yup, fusion would do it, and they’re working on that. Until such breakthroughs become mainstream, hydrogen will remain a fuel of the future.

An economics teacher at a local school made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Gillard/Brown socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The teacher then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on the Gillard/Brown plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the teacher told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, and gives to those who do nothing, nobody will try or want to succeed.

    Your apocryphal stories presented as fact are just too cute.

      Your comprehension needs improvement. That story isn’t presented as fact, it’s an illustration, an explanation of what socialism does to people. It’s for those who still think socialism works.

      It is apocryphal and it is garbage. It is only a “truth” through the lense of your own belief.

      So you think people wouldn’t act that way in a socialist economy? Have you not learned the lesson from the Soviets? Remember the quote, “We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us”?

      “We have chronicled the long, painful decline of Venezuela’s socialist economy. It was kept afloat for a while by Venezuela’s extraordinary oil reserves, but nothing, not even vast natural resources, can keep a socialist economy going for long. Toilet paper is a thing of the past, and many Venezuelans are now confronting the possibility of starvation, due to government-imposed price controls. The Wall Street Journal reports:”

      ht tp://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/08/the-socialist-dream-venezuela-version.php

      Yes, because a bastion of the Capitalist system, The Wall Street Journal, is automatically to be believed in its attacks on Socialism.

      And your holding up of Russia as the proof of the failure of all Socialist systems is just ridiculous. There are socialistic countries where it is working just fine.

      Furthermore, holding up an extreme to disprove the viability of adopting some of the better ideas of Socialism is just the typical right wing nonsense. Laissez fire Capitalism is no better than Communism in its excesses.

      The best model is the mixed model of regulated Capitalism along with good social policy.

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