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Climate Change ‘Undeniably Having an Effect’ on Northern BC

Tuesday, March 14, 2017 @ 5:52 AM

Around 50 people turned out for a climate change discussion at The Exploration Place Monday night – photos 250News

Prince George, B.C. – Dozens of people turned out for a climate change discussion at The Exploration Place Monday night.

The talk was titled: “Changing Climate, Changing Landscapes in Northern B.C.: Perspectives from the Ground” and the discussion was lead by Dr. Stephen Dery, a professor in the Environmental and Engineering program at UNBC.

Specifically, he looked at how climate change is evolving in and around Prince George. One aspect of looking at that said Dery was through a network of weather stations that researchers have set up to track climate change in this region.

UNBC professor Dr. Stephen Dery

“We’ve seen some evidence and one of the features that we’ve seen is a retreat in glaciers across the Cariboo Mountains,” he said. “And that’s in response to essentially warmer climates, especially during the summer. And we’ve seen changes in snowpack accumulations as well.”

For example, from 1959 to 2007, he said the Castle Creek Glacier near McBride has receded 700 metres – an average of 14 metres per year.

In terms of temperature, he said from 1943-2008 scientists have measured a 1.5 degree increase at the Prince George Airport while the Nechako River Basin – a 50,000 square kilometre area (an area larger than Switzerland at 44,000 square kilometres) – has seen a temperature increase of 2.3 degrees from 1950 through to 2010.

He added the change in temperature has led to “an earlier spring freshet in many of the rivers, including the Fraser River.

He also addressed the so-called climate change skeptics.

“I guess sometimes people have very local or narrow perspectives on change but when you look at the region as a whole, certainly in terms of what data we’ve been collecting, changes in the landscape we’ve seen, I think it’s undeniable that climate change is having an effect.”


I think where we live we will see climate change from year to year simply because we are on the edge of where the effects of the jet stream moves from year to year which significantly changes in our weather patterns. That is the main driver of our weather patterns here in this region and the jet stream has many influences from ocean currents to storm formations which have nothing to do with c02 levels in the atmosphere.

I will say how ever that the scary thing for me is if our ocean methane hydrates ever start to melt. That would be an extinction level event for anything that needs oxygen on planet earth. The chemical reaction in our atmosphere with the release of all that methane would consume all our oxygen and then we would be in real trouble. I have read that the process once started could happen in as little as ten years.

    It’s already happening Eagleone

    h ttp://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/methane-release-and-the-geoengineering-cure-that-is-fueling-the-fire/

    Unless you’re willing to talk about the ongoing climate engineering that’s taking place all over the world when you talk about climate change, you’re complicit in hiding this catastrophic “science experiment” It is literally destroying life on this planet. Forest die off, marine life and animal die off and neurological disorders increasing.

    h ttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/14/dementia-becomes-britains-biggest-killer/

    Look at the sky over PG. Was supposed to be sunny and 10 degrees today. Weather Network calls this partly cloudy. The effect of climate engineering is “a whitening of the sky during the day” The storms back east are engineered storms. Cool, snowy weather in NA and record heat in other countries. Australia, India, Africa – where the situation is dire. Millions will die of starvation. They blame war, but why are they being droughted out? UN and climate change – countries on the floor of the UN asking for climate engineering to be stopped because they are being droughted out.

    h ttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/15/world/africa/agadez-climate-change.html?_r=0

All these people do is talk and talk and talk.
why ?
because there is nothing they can do about it.
so they talk.
pretend they can do something by putting a tax or a surcharge on it and they still can’t do anything about it but talk.

    ya but it pays good and free trips to exotic locations for meetings and parties. If they are serious about their beliefs use skype or teleconferencing.

Yup, just in our wallets.

There is direct action each of us can take to reduce climate change; STOP voting in governments who allow themselves to be bought by the fossil fuel industry!!!

ht tp://www.businessinsider.com/trudeau-gets-a-standing-ovation-at-energy-industry-conference-oil-gas-2017-3

Kinder Morgan and its group of oil companies donated more than $718,000 Canadian dollars, to the BC Liberal Party. Surprise, surprise, Christy Clark and her Liberals just approve their oil pipeline!

STOP voting for political parties that are bought by Big Oil and Gas!!! Vote for a party that has a concrete plan to wean us off fossil fuels and develop alternative energy sources… that is what it’s going to take to stop climate change.

    Like the Ontario Liberals who just scrapped their plan for $3.8 billion in renewable energy projects?

    And they also donated to the NDP party, surprise, surprise. Last election they donated heavy to the NDP which they gladly accepted. Wonder how many will be at the private dinner for SayAnythingJohn?

      Probably be another small room.

      Yet the BC NDP’s public position was against the Kinder Morgan Pipeline expansion project, just one example of many where the NDP can’t be bought, unlike the pay-to-play BC Liberals and their cash-for-access scam.

      Donate enough money to Christy and her Liberals and they would probably say yes to anything.

      You mean like sayanythingjohn who has no platform so you can probably buy a seat at his fundraiser and tailor it the way you want

      And in just two comments slinky you have arrived at your usual default position of slamming the NDP on no particular subject. What does your above comment have to do with the subject of climate change or fossil fuel industry products which is cause it?

      Yours somehow are because you added the name “Kinder Morgan”? Well the NDP took money in donations from the very same “Kinder Morgan”

      There now that I included the name it is up to your standards hey?

      Trudeau says as long as “Kinder Morgan” respects the 157 conditions set forth by the NEB it “will get built – because it is in the national interest of Canadians”. The NDP if elected will just blame it on the feds and allow it to be built, maybe add a few conditions of their own to appease the political donors.

      Slinky states; “Yours somehow are because you added the name “Kinder Morgan”? Well the NDP took money in donations from the very same “Kinder Morgan”

      “There now that I included the name it is up to your standards hey?”

      Yes it is, thank you for sticking to the subject, and yes Kinder Morgan did donate to the NDP, unlike the BC Liberals, the NDP does not appear to be beholding to those oil companies and has rejected the Kinder Morgan Pipeline expansion project… and what about the BC Liberals???

      Sayanythingjohn is a no, but yes if he feels “confident” enough. A few more donations would probably change his confidence in the project

The climate has been changing for millions of years. No taxation regime will change it, but that doesn’t stop governments of all stripes from trying.

Coldest winter I can remember since I was a kid here in the 70’s. Are they suggesting the galciers retreated this year, or just the years they want to prove their data with?

    You are confusing weather with climate.

    Big deal two, two week, cold snaps does not the coldest winter make. Are you sure that as you get older and your bones get more brittle and your joints stiffen, that what felt like -20 when you were younger now feels like -40?

    No one can convince climate deniers they are wrong, and that this climate change is completely different from the gradual climate changes in the past. What took thousands of years for the climate to change is now happening in 50 years, and those older than 50 years who have lived up here all their lives know this!

    You seem to be the exception.

      There is no such thing as a ‘climate change denier’, peeos. The phrase is often used to shut down debate and get everyone toeing the line and paying more taxes, with no discernable effect.

      The earth is billions of years old and some would have us believe 50 years of data means something.

      It is you BH that denies climate change.

      Climate change now is different than the past, where did you dig that up?

      Hey how come there has been no statistically significant rise in temperature in the last 20 years? You should be ecstatic about that.

      You are the exception, sorry lack of critical thinking.

      I am not the exception seamutt!

      The latest poll at Innovative Research indicates that an overwhelming majority of Canadians say they are concerned about climate change. On climate change, 37 per cent of participants said they were very concerned, while 44 per cent said they were somewhat concerned, for a resounding 81 per cent who said they cared about climate change.

      That poll was conducted by Innovative Research and was conducted from April 8-12, 2016 where 2,383 Canadians were invited participants in their Canada 20/20 online survey.

      This current climate change is well within past norms. Paleoclimatology reveals that past changes were at times much faster than now.

      None of the big global warming scam promoters actually believe the BS they peddle, you reveal yourself to be rather gullible BH, for falling for it.

      Hey BH surveys also predicted a runaway election for scary hillary!

      Stick to the subject at hand seamutt. It is one of the guidelines on this site.

      You must have struck a nerve there seamutt, she can’t take the heat and has started to crack. She claims you now have to adhere to the “guidelines of the site”

      You have to add “climate change” or “fossil fuels” to your post to make it palatable for BH

      Kind of sounds like an old mayor of ours… what was the term he used? Oh yeah “keep your comments to land use only” – unless of course you were on the side Rogers was on then it was “ok” to speak of whatever you wish.

      Can’t say I didn’t add “Kinder Morgan” to this post to make it adhere to the guidelines of the site.

The professor throughout his talk used the term climate change in such a way that it implied only man changes climate. There was no mention of a natural component to climate change. One would almost think there was no climate change before man.

A very small time span was also used, 60-70 years when compared to climatic history that is nothing. There was no mention of PDO, ENSO, the warm blob, only mans possible effects where implied. Well actually the talk touched very lightly onto ENSO but very lightly. Also using the airport weather station may not be the most actuate considering it is surrounded by buildings, concrete and pavement which has been expanding over the years which reflect and retain heat.

Glacier retreating was mentioned but with no glacial history. Glaciers ebb and flow the evidence being glacial retreat uncovering ancient forests and habitation. I guess warmers would be ecstatic if glaciers where only expanding, well some are.

Worldwide we are actually living in the coolest times in the last 7000 years and it has been warmer in the recent past, medieval, Roman warm periods for example. What was our local climate then? What was our local climate during the Holocene optimum.

This region is heavily influenced by the ocean and considering the PDO is in a cooling cycle and the suns output has decreased it will be interesting to see what happens ahead.

Again the term climate change, used to be global warming but since there has been no statistically significant warming in the last twenty years, “global warming” was not working out very well so was replaced by the catch all “climate change” Researchers have no idea on how climate changes naturally let lone anthropologically.

I found this talk to be very biased, not scientific but expected that with no mention of a natural component.

About methane hydrates

ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/10/good-news-gas-hydrate-breakdown-unlikely-to-cause-massive-greenhouse-gas-release/

ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/27/surprise-finding-arctic-ocean-methane-does-not-reach-the-atmosphere/

Also Japan is researching how to mine ocean hydrates and once that is figured out fossil fuel source will almost be limitless. A nightmare for some.

Climate change…wonder how many are willing to give up driving their automobiles , the internal combustion engine, one of the many contributor polluters, ……
Vacation,, flying, jet engines , huge pollution in the high atmosphere.
All talk……..

    Who says we need to give up our automobiles? Just replace the internal combustion ones them with electric vehicles. Who says we need to give up vacations, flying, jet engines? Keep them until technological advances in alternative fuels and energy replaces them.

    What we can do now is move over to solar, wind, and geothermal, and a bigger way while reducing our consumption on fossil fuels. Get goals on replacing internal combustion vehicles with electric at a rate of 5% per year, set goals on replacing home heating with solar and wind at the same 5% per year.

    These actions would cut our carbon emissions in half over 20 years, we just need to elect governments committed to saving our planet from climate change disaster.

      Ooops, forgot to add my obligatory link.

      ht tps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-06/wind-and-solar-are-crushing-fossil-fuels

      Yeah, wind and solar are really crushing fossil fuels. Riiight!

      “Serious questions are raised today over hundreds of millions of pounds of British taxpayers’ money being ‘wasted’ on climate change projects such as an Ethiopian wind farm and Kenyan solar power plant.

      A Telegraph investigation shows little benefit so far from a £2 billion foreign aid programme to tackle climate change that was established eight years ago.

      One scheme, costing £260m of UK taxpayers’ money, has produced only enough renewable electricity to power the equivalent of just 100 British households – about the size of a typical street.”


      Yipes! Forgot to disable that link.

      ht tp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/12/hundreds-millions-british-aid-wasted-overseas-climate-change/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_fb

      Let’s not forget that while we’re moving over to solar, wind, and geothermal, we’ll need to keep conventional electricity sources up and running for a base load back-up.

      “A combination of green inspired state moratoria on gas exploration, coupled with growing gas export capacity, and politically motivated closures of coal plants, has created a looming shortfall in Australian energy supply.”

      Gee, who’da thunk it?

      ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/09/green-craziness-deepening-aussie-energy-crisis/

      Why did Britain just give the green light to a Nuclear power plant if solar and wind are so great?

      So where does the electricity come from for electric cars? Have you even looked at the electrical rates of Ontario, Germany, hey blackouts in South Australia all caused by inefficient very expensive unreliable renewables. amasing how you stay so focusing despite the evidence.

      Ever see a wind generator build a wind generator?

      Australia where wind is producing 7 percent of rated capacity and prices hit 13,000 a mWh or over 13 dollars a kWh. We pay ten cents a kWh here, keep the wind generators outta our province please. This was a month ago and not when they were developing the technology either. Shut down their coal that was selling at 50.00 per mWh and now either shut off the power or pay out the nose. They call the area the crash test dummy of wind power

      Can anyone say for certain that solar is a net producer of energy?

      “You might think we’d know whether a solar PV system produced energy before we installed 1,000 Megawatts of it. But it’s hard to even know after the fact. Dr John Constable points us at an interesting new paper that discusses the odd creature called EROEI. This stands for energy return on energy invested. If you get back less than “one”, it sucks.

      That sounds like a fine idea except everyone seems to get different answers to the same question. Solar PV in Switzerland achieves either a tenfold return or it costs a fifth of your energy. Plan your national policy with a Ouija Board?

      Constable comes to the conclusion that the whole calculation is so uncertain it’s useless. There are so many subjective estimates on the “energy invested side” that the answer is almost irrelevant. Constable points out that what we really need to know is how the whole system responds to the addition of a new generator –but the whole grid analysis is even harder than just the EROEI to calculate.

      His conclusion, it that we really need something more like a neural net to calculate the costs. Luckily we have one — us — and the contractual free market. It’s just the government keeps getting in the way of it working.”

      ht tp://joannenova.com.au/2017/02/does-solar-pv-in-half-of-europe-make-more-energy-than-it-consumes/

      Why did Britain just give the green light to a Nuclear power plant if solar and wind are so great? Because the UK is a weapons of mass destruction weilder . With out up to date material and technology a nuclear power like the UK would soon find it self out gunned . It has very little to do with clean power . It’s about super power . Do you wonder why the UK government would sign a thirty five year agreement for Thirty five cent kWh in a thirteen cent kWh world and getting cheaper all the time ?

I didn’t know about this or I might have attended. From what’s reported here, it sounds like the prof thinks climate only changes because of human activity, that it would be stable and unchanging if not for us.

So yes, climate is “undeniably having an effect” on northern BC. But no-one ever said it wasn’t. Warming is good, it’s cooling that’s bad. I experienced -47C in PG. Don’t miss it at all, don’t ever want that experience again.

Pipelines, …BH you probably use oil, gasoline and natural gas.
What about the many pipelines that have been installed long ago, complaining about new pipelines? Typical hypocrite…..

    We have been using fossil fuel products at a rate that is warming our planet via carbon emissions. I am against all “new” accelerated uses of fossil fuels. I say NO to all new oil pipelines, if this happened the Alberta Tar Sands would produce the same amount of millions of barrels of oil per day without a single worker being laid off.

    STOP EXPANDING carbon emitting fossil fuel production, then look at ways of switching over to alternative forms of energy. How is anything I said, in any way, Hypocritical?

      So you want Canada to cut fossil fuel use, end all expansion of the fossil fuel industries while the rest of the world keeps using more and more of the stuff.

      Yeah, that makes sense…..

      Where are these Alberta Tar Sands that you mention? Are they anywhere near Alberta’s Oil Sands?

      I laugh at how some people use the term “Tar Sands” in an attempt to spread their negative opinion about the “Oil Sands”, much in the same way that “Global Warming” alarmists now use “Climate Change” due to a lack of any verifiable global warming!

      BH do you mean carbon or c02, you seem confused on just what the subject is.

      Hart Guy again showing his ignorance having no problem with the name of the famous La Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles which contains the same bitumen as the Alberta Tar Sands; yet has no compunction continuing to call them The La Brea Tar Pits, instead of insisting they be called “The La Brea Oil Pits”.

      The Oil Industry, and their supporters, are indeed a fickle lot!

      “Fossil fuel fictions and other realities of living in a post-truth world


      Canadians have also seen an escalation of post-truth communications, particularly in relation to energy.

      Here are some of those assertions, contrasted with real-world facts.

      Post-truth No. 1: We have the technology to replace fossil fuels with wind and solar energy.

      Real-world facts: Fossil fuels generate more than 65% of global electricity production. Despite the hundreds of billions of dollars invested, wind and solar provide only 1.5% of global power.

      You may have seen higher figures from the green-power industry ,but that’s a classic post-truth distortion quoting capacity versus actual electricity delivered.”

      ht tps://www.biv.com/article/2017/1/fossil-fuel-fictions-and-other-realities-living-po/

      Peeps, would you by chance have any pictures of Hollywood “elites” such as Jane Fonda or Leonardo DiCaprio protesting at LA’s La Brea Tar Pits?

      How about Neil Young, David Suzuki, Chief Stewart Phillips? Any of those anti-oil folk seen protesting down there either?

      Funny how La Brea has been leaching into the environment for eons, as has the oil sands, and yet nobody down in LA seems interested in protesting at La Brea or at any of LA’s many producing well sites for that matter!

      I continue to suspect that some think that Canada needs to curtail it’s oil and gas sector development, while they at the same time continue to expand theirs!

      Peeps, here’s the difference between your “tar” sands and Alberta’s “oil” sands:

      Historically, oil sand was incorrectly referred to as tar sand due to the now outdated and largely ineffective practice of using it for roofing and paving tar (oil sand will not harden suitably for these purposes). Though they appear to be visibly similar, tar and oil sands are different; while oil sand is a naturally occurring petrochemical, tar is a synthetically produced substance that is largely the last waste product of the destructive degradation of hydrocarbons. Furthermore, their uses are completely different: oil sand can be refined to make oil and ultimately fuel, while tar cannot and has historically been used to seal wood and rope against moisture. Source: Alberta Energy

      So, does Alberta have Tar sands as you suggest, or does Alberta have Oil Sands as I have suggested?

      It’s ok to be wrong! After all, everyone, including “know-it-alls” are wrong now and then!


      Here is a Michigan Live news site that makes constant reference between regular crude oil and “Tar Sands Crude oil” going into detail on the difference between the two types of crude oil, because as we all know, “Tar Sand Crude Oil” spilled into the Kalamazoo River where most of it sank, because it is a heavier crude oil.


      Tar Sands Crude Oil is not the term, or name, used by just the environmentalists, it is the name used to differentiate between the two types of oil, and I think Tar Sands Crude Oil describes it perfectly!

      The correct term should be Oil Sands Crude Oil, not Tar Sands Crude Oil.

      I’ll take “Alberta Energy’s definition of Oil Sands and Oil Sands Crude Oil over the terms Tar Sands and Tar Sands Crude Oil as described by the “several environmental groups” in your linked article, Peeps!

      Of course the “several environmental groups” use the term Tar Sands Crude Oil! That is what they always do in their attempts to portray a crude oil in a less flattering way. After all, Tar Sands sounds so much worse than Oil Sands, right?

      You will note that the caption in the photo refers to the Oil Sands oil as heavy crude oil, a more correct description than the term “Tar Sands Crude Oil”!

      Go find another article BH! After all, the NDP are paying you by the number of comments you post, right? Haha!

      By the way BH, I hope that you are wearing hour 100% latex gloves as you type on your petroleum industry sourced plastic computer keys!

      After all, I wouldn’t want your delicate little fingers to burn, haha!


      The future is here HG, I am using a Kuender AIO (All-In-One) PC with a 21.5-in. touchscreen, and a naked-eye 3D media player. They came out on the market a couple of years ago and are made of bio-plastic, which is of course bio-degradable.

      ht tp://www.ptonline.com/articles/high-heat-pla-in-worlds-first-bioplastic-touchscreen-computer

Lets see since the start of the industrial age man has only contributed 14% of total c02 the rest is natural.

Mans volume of co2 is only 4% of total so tell me how man will burn up the planet? Hey BH despite hundreds of billions spent and the attendance of climate scientists to many parties around the world no one has proven how much if any at all c02 affects climate. No proof, nothing, nada.

Hey has Christies house collapsed into your mining claim yet.

Hey scientist don’t even understand natural climate change let alone your effect.

ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/ They are the biggest deniers of CO2 caused climate effects. Perhaps people should read the info that NASA has rather than the biased Petroleum rhetoric this site puts out?

    The people who visit and believe the crap on these “fake science” sites are the same people ones who believe and use the “fake news” Breitbart News site.

    These individuals only number about 4 on this site, but they are very vocal deniers on behalf of their fossil fuel industry masters!

      Fake news? Do you mean the Tyee BH?

    Ad hominems. Typical response from someone who know’s he’s wrong. If you had the facts on your side you wouldn’t resort to smear tactics.

      The people who visit and believe the crap on these “fake science” sites are the same people ones who believe and use the “fake news” Breitbart News site. Guess that would include people like you “Dirtman”!!!

      Posted on Friday, January 6, 2017 @ 11:00 PM by Dirtman with a score of 0

      “Here’s a few examples of how well “green” energy generation works.
      The South Australian Government, the world’s green energy crash test dummy, appears to have thrown in the towel. In the wake of economically damaging outages and vigorous complaints from major employers, the South Australian government are now attempting to reassure industry and domestic users that there is sufficient fossil fuel capacity to cover their needs, and claim to have stepped up efforts to secure more gas supplies.”

      ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/05/dash-for-gas-green-south-australian-government-throws-in-the-towel-on-renewables/
      Posted on Friday, December 30, 2016 @ 8:30 AM by Dirtman with a score of 0

      4. “No American Administration Has Done More For The Security of Israel Than Barack Obama’s.” To put it mildly, LOL. LOLOLOLOLOL. Funny guy, this Kerry. Here’s a timeline of Obama’s “support” for Israel. That timeline doesn’t even include the Iran nuclear deal or the current UN resolution hubbub.

      ht tp://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/03/20/a-complete-timeline-of-obamas-anti-israel-hatred/

      BH South Australia has had blackouts because of their increasing reliance on unreliable renewables. With the forced shutdown of coal generation their grid has become very unreliable and costly the end result industry and investment is leaving the state.

      I think you miss understood the post.

      ht tp://joannenova.com.au/2017/02/sa-blackout-a-grid-crippled-by-complexity/

      You’re going to have to come up with something that disproves those stories, BH, because by re-posting them all you do is demonstrate that I’m right.

      Why disprove the stories when the sites they come from have already been debunked as being “FAKE”?

      Here are some more “fake news” for you

      ht tp://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/energy-price-reveals-folly-of-renewables/news-story/8a18dd4b193039ec6b6138e682192e55

      ht tp://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/sa-loses-power-in-another-wind-farm-fail/news-story/8e5db34f658a3153f7f0a8d91a077b82

      ht tp://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/aemos-third-report-highlights-wind-power-link-to-south-australia-blackout/news-story/2bbf105bc613f70966659465043633b0

      ht tp://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-19/wind-power-loss-key-event-in-sa-blackout-report-finds/7947478

      Need more? Use google it is a very good search engine. 1,400.00 per mWh spot price? Gotta love that wind power

      Debunked as being “FAKE”, BH? That would require someone to demonstrate how the articles are fake. Nobody has done that, instead people like you just throw that accusation out there as a substitute for argument. Just another in a long list of ad hominems.

      Try and keep up . Elon Musk has thrown the a bigger fox in the south Australian power grid . His challenge of fixing it in 100 days for a lousy $25 mil or it’s free of charge . Now the guys playing silly bugga are falling over each other screaming what does he know about auz . We can do it by summa . Musk has just proved how utterly corrupt utilities and the fossils can be . They and Joanne Nova look like a total 3Joh22A .

      Pardon me , 3JoH22A !

      Ataloss, I read a really good article on a long term test of a Tesla. It included a 3647 mile long distance trip coast to coast. While the article did say some good things about the Tesla, there were also a lot of negative things.

      Tesla had overstated it’s horsepower rating 691 hp, but in September 2015, they admitted that this figure was bogus and that the onboard batteries could only generate 463 hp.

      Their coast to coast trip involved two or three hours of driving, followed by about 45 minutes of recharging at superstations. They spend 57 hours behind the wheel and another 15 hours and 22 minutes plugged in, NOT including their overnight charging. The article states that the slightly slower pace necessary (speed kills range) and the frequent extended stops mean a long-haul Tesla travels at Teamster speed!

      Interesting article that absolutely confirms my belief that Tesla has a lot of work to do before one of their products would meet my needs, especially when they averaged 69 MPGe, well below the EPA’s 93 combined MPGe. With electricity at a national average of 13 cents per kWh, running the Tesla cost the same as driving a 38-mpg car with gas at $2.40 per gallon! (U.S.A. article).

      So, I think that for now I will stick with a very fuel efficient modern gas powered engine that is quickly refilled and back on the road, winter, spring, summer and fall!

      Fix what Ataloss? BH tells us it is “fake”

    That all you guys got, weak very weak and sad.

    ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/07/even-more-on-the-david-rose-bombshell-article-how-noaa-software-spins-the-agw-game/

    What biased petroleum rhetoric, please show?

    Hey Anthony of the site you guys irrationally hate uses solar power and drives an electric car which in California actually makes sense because of their very expensive rates chasing renewable. Can you BH, spruce capital match that.

I don’t think anyone denies the climate is changing. I recall back in the 80’s trucking in Northern BC and Northern Alberta, it was nothing to have -50C or lower temps at least once or twice during the winter with a lot more snow than we get now, that was real temperature not this windchill crap everyone likes to use now. I also recall the summers being a lot warmer as well. The real issue at play is what is causing the climate to change, I like many others do not believe man is to blame. I am actually enjoying the milder winters as I am sure many others are as well.

Cows are to blame, all that flatulence creating a methane cloud wherever they go. We have to cut cow emissions, some form of cow scrubber that mounts on their tails. Those countries that will not eat cows give them tractors and sell the cows to people who will responsibly muffle them and humanely kill them in a slaughterhouse. Problem solved, need some paper to submit my ideas to the IPCC quick!

    The only flatulence that can be found around here is coming from the small number of Breitbart and wattsupwiththat loving Alternative Righties on this site. When you rely on a fake news site like Breitbart and fake science sites like whatsupwiththat and joannenova, you can easily lose touch with reality, as is the case here.

      Yet more ad hominems. But then, that’s all you have so I’m not surprised.

      You looking in the mirror?

      Whatsupwiththat site takes news and compresses it so you don’t have to read multiple sites to get what is happening – read the 4 I have linked above – none are any of the “fake news” sites you mentioned and still have the same “fake news” you refer to. February 2017 South Australia hit an awesome 2% power output from their wind farms. I do suppose the Herald in Australia is a “fake news” site for “Righties”, or maybe The Australian is one of your “fake news” sites…

      Notice how warm it was today. BH you should thank me, I had a bad case of gas all day.

And Airports are packed with Millions of Travelers going to Hawaii and Mexico every Year and I do know Planes are all run on Solar Power , so no Pollution here and coming home will wave the Environment Flag again!

    Yawn… US publisher Ward’s, estimate that as of 2010 there were 1.015 billion motor vehicles in use in the world, while there are only approximately 20,000 jets in the world as of 2013. By far the tonnage of carbon being spewed into our atmosphere is through motor vehicle use.

    Leave the jets alone, work on getting our vehicles switched over from internal combustion to electric. Yes it’s that simple.

      You used the wrong word, the one you should have used is “simplistic”.

I just found the perfect picture of us discussing global warming!

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A picture is worth a thousand words.

I’m sure Crispy could fix global warming just by tripling the carbon tax.

    Sayanythingjohn is going to increase the carbon tax from $30 a ton to $50 a ton between 2020 and 2022. But he will send out more rebate checks to cover it. He says it will increase job creation in green growth but not during the next term in office. When questioned on jobs lost over saying no to “Kinder Morgan” he did say we can employ more people in the film industry. He has jobs all figured out, what are we worried about?

This talk was also only about a very small part of the world with the implication of world wide “climate change”, code for man caused warming. In actuality there are warm and cold records being broken every day and for over the 7000 years the trend is over all negative. Siberia this winter got into the minus 70’s I guess the warmers are hoping for that here. Not much reporting on that by the warmer biased media. How about a couple of winters ago when the south pole hit the lowest temperature ever recorded.

When taking in information always listen to the messenger and motive.

And so we are coming to the end of a climate change story discussion with the same 4 pitiful AGW deniers that post on the same topic in the latter half of every Friday Free For All. Same people providing the same references to the same 2 or 3 fake science websites.

I personally no longer participate in the alternative energy / global warming part of the Friday Free For All thread, because its the same crap being posted by the same people over, and over, and over again ad nauseam!

    The reason you no longer “participate” is probably because you have nothing but ad hominems to contribute

    I agree with you though, Ataloss trying to start something in the last FFFA was ad nauseum

    Ah my shadow slinky, what’s it like always having to follow me around on here, commenting on my comments? Why am I always leading and you following? Don’t you wish you could lead sometimes slinky?

    Go ahead slinky, I’m not stopping you, be a leader not a follower, you can do it slinky, I know you can!

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