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Friday Free For All – December 30th, 2011

Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 12:00 AM

This is it, the final FRIDAY FREE FOR  ALL  for 2011.

It is your opportunity to  speak up on the issues  that have  tweaked a nerve.  You pick the topic, but,  the three  simple rules  remain in effect.

Keep it clean

Keep it legal

No Bullying of other posters.

 

L E T   ‘E R    R I P  !!!!!!!

 

Comments

Happy New Years to all!

Did anyone else notice that the PG Citizen’s ad for a publisher states that a high school education is required and that further education would be beneficial. I would have thought some sort of journalism degree with a masters in business would be required but, no, just high school education is required. Kind of explains what went on at the Citizen in the last few years.

Happy New Year everyone, may we all be here to do it all again next year.

Dang,it`s 2:30 and I`m still awake..well happy Friday to those of you wut get the week ends off…and party hard.

Did you get your phone call to make a donation to the BC Liberal Party? We had to decline.

I think they can wait until the HST is gone before they phone again. All of our spare change is going to taxes like HST and Carbon taxes right now. ;-)

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I see PG is one of the top places to buy real estate these days…I guess they don’t compare the price of gasoline and diesel across the country for this rating? We have the highest prices on a pretty regular basis, you’d think that would be worth something?

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Why do so many people throw their garbage on our streets and highways?? Is it really so hard to put the stuff in a garbage can?

Wishes for a Happy and Healthy New Year 2012 to all. Especially Ben and Elaine the hosts of the best news source in the North!

Did you read the article about Hutda Lake in the PG Citizen?? Apparently the BC government aquired the property to use in Treaty negotiations?? So they cannot use it for a drug addiction treatment facility while they are using it as a bargaining chip. I guess if they manage to settle this treaty sometime in the next 200 or so years this facility can be used then?

So instead they want to put the drug treatment facility in the heart of a residential community, Haldi. Sure makes a person wonder what is wrong with all those empty rooms at the Baldy Hughes facility?

The more we watch this situation unwind the more it looks like there are some ulterior motives behind where these facilities are being centered. Is this another case of ‘follow the money’????

Natural gas is now trading at a 2 year low of under $3.00 per million btus. I supposed I can look forward to a drop in my home heating costs in the near future.
The Liberal families first policy is certainly helping empty the pockets of the working class in BC. In the New Year we can look forward to a MSP 6% increase, hydro rate increase 4%, ICBC rate increase, and carbon tax increase. Add in the usual 4 – 5% city tax increase and of course a surcharge for the Winter Games and there will certainly be less disposable income in the average persons pocket.
Welcome to 2012.

And they wonder why the Salvation Army didn’t reach their goal. Taxed to death in B.C. to make up for all the Liberal screw ups.

And Happy New Year everyone!

Fresh snow and a new year knocking at the door! Have a great weekend everyone!

Hope every one had a good and safe Christmas and to all the Bloggers I wish you a Happy New Year.

Coming down Ospika from College Heights. I am noticing something every time it snows.
The main streets are now plowed, there must have been a change in management in the city.

Jim 13135. The Hutda Lake facility is separate from the Haldi Road facility, and of course both are separate from the Baldy Hughes facility.

I beleive that the Government is making a huge change to how it delivers treatment to drug and alcohol afflicted people. Hence the closing of the Nechako Treatment Centre at the Regional Hospital, and the support of Baldy Hughes and Haldi Road. There were other locations being considered in addition to Hutda Lake, so I expect that in the near future we will hear about a third location for a facility.

The question is, where are all the people who will use these facilities coming from?. I suggest that they will be from the North Central Interior, and from the Provincial/Federal penal system. I doubt very much if there are enough alcohol/drug addicted people in the greater Prince George area, to fill three treatment facilities on a regular basis.

Keep in mind that the Baldy Hughes centre was started by a Liberal MLA , and that the main push behind the Haldi Road facility used to have conncections with the Liberal Government.

So I would say **Yes** follow the money, and the political connections and you will get the real story behind these facilities.

Okay, I am marking all my money in 2012 and will follow it. Maybe we can get a follow the money club going. There is strength in numbers I hear. ;-)

I just remembered, that means no more debit card …. hard to mark those frisky little electrons …
;-)

The plowin’ these days is done by Mother Nature ….. 4 cm of snow followed by 5C+ temps for 24 hours and gusty winds will clear the snowfall like magic.

Looks like the same will be happening to last night’s snowfall.

Prediction is for a continuation of the same right through to mid January ….

I think the long range weather forcast made in September/October is a bit off the mark this year.

Both the heating costs and piles of snow next to the driveway are lower this year than they have been for a couple of years.

Had to shovel the grader vomit at the end of my driveway the other day and while I was at it, I figured I would be nice and shovel out the driveways of my neighbours as well. Glad to report it didn’t kill me. In fact, it was a nice supplement to my workout routine. See, there is a positive in everything if you look hard enough :)

Happy New Year folks!

Great comments! Making me laugh today. Thanks gus and NMG.

Just some facts I am posting. How is that carbon tax working for ya?

Almost everything you thought you knew about man made global warming might be a worthless half-truth.

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•The evidence shows temperature controls carbon dioxide (you read that correctly). Temperatures rise first, and CO2 follows.
•Global warming is real, but it started a century (or two) before our emissions.
•The world is warmer than in 1850, but cooler than 1,000 years ago, 8,000 years ago, 130,000 years ago, and cooler than most of the history of life on Earth.
•CO2 is called “pollution” but it feeds all plant-life on Earth.
•Big-Oil paid some skeptics, but Big-Government outspent it 3,500 to 1, and even Big-Oil spent far more on renewables than on “deniers”.
•Big Greens used to fight big corporates, but now they are big-corporates. The real grassroots movement are the skeptics who take on the lot.

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Lastly, Big Bankers want us to trade carbon. Think about that.

How can we trade what we don’t have? Oh we just pay the carbon tax so they can buy carbon fromsomebody? Fromsomebody is a Liberal supporter. Follow the money, its not going NDP.

Make smart decisions this season and have a safe and Happy New Year everyone!

I prefer trading Shekels …..
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“Temperatures rise first, and CO2 follows.”

Tell that to the kid who just took grade 5 science and did and experiment with the wood burning firepit in the backyard.

1. put paper and kindling into firepit
2. pile some wood on top with lots of air space
3. take temperature a couple of feet above wood and record on an iPad spreadsheet
4. measure CO2 a couple of feet above wood and record on an iPad spreadsheet
5. light kindling with long matchstick
6. wait a few minutes till the kindling is burning well and some smoke is rising from the burning materials
7. repeat steps 3 and 4, being careful not to melt instruments
8. wait a few more minutes till stacked wood has started to burn
9. repeat step 7
10. wait till fire has started to die and there are more embers glowing than strong fire
11. repeat step 7 one last time.
12. plot graph from spreadsheet and observe curve of change in CO2 amount in relation to temperature.

Expected result =
1. as temperature increases, CO2 emission increases.
2. as temperature decreases, CO2 emission decreases.

If expected results not achieved, check method, instruments, data entry, iPad.

;-)

Some time ago someone posted the comment that “if there was money to be made on the homeless governments and big business would be in there like a dirty shirt” I have come to the conclusion that this also applies to the environment. The “save the environment” is used to justify new taxes or to increase old ones.One only has to look at the practices used to preserve the ecosystem(there are none).At one time it was possible to find some solitude at a Forestry campsite,they have all but vanished. I find it very sad that the chance to experience the “wilds of BC” are slowly disappearing unless you make six figures.
The hardest pill to swallow for me is the selling of coal to China,it is a matter of morals to me.Here in BC we are taxed on carbon yet we can sell one of the worst pollutants to one of the worst polluters on the planet, not to mention the living conditions in China and that some exported goods could poison your children or kill your family pet. What has to happen before morals become more important than money.
Anyways folks sorry about that I was feeling a little vexed.
To all of you posters I would like to wish you all of the best for 2012,Be safe and Take Care.

Littlebuds, you’re speaking the truth, no need to apologize.

You can never “save the environment” through taxation so long as you’re also trying to have a policy of “full employment” at the same time. The reason is simple. The two are contradictory. It’s not there could not be jobs created to ‘save the environment’, but that their costs can’t be fully recovered in prices (or taxes). Efforts to try to do what those who are in favour of taxes like the Carbon Tax think they’ll do will only make the overall degradation of the environment worse, not better.

So if I wake up tomorrow and science proves that some previously unknown phenomena is causing global warming, does that mean that it’s still okay to continue ruining our environment the way that “civilized” man has been doing for the last number of decades?

The things we do to the planet are repugnant enough. What’s even worse is to try and ignore our responsibility to change our behaviour because it will inconvenience us and our “normal way of life”. For a supposed “technologically advanced” society, we sure are stupid about how we focus our resources.

One can only imagine how far better off we would be if we invested the same amount of money into clean energy as we do with warheads and stadium roofs.

It’s not there could not be jobs created to ‘save the environment’, but that their costs can’t be fully recovered in prices (or taxes).

Let me see, we manage to recover (or forgive) the cost of making munitions, devices to deliver them to a “lucky” party, and the cost of managing that whole process, then rebuilding infrastructure, supporting the populations who are no longer “producing”, etc. etc ……

Surely we can apply that vast knowledge of how to continually destroy and repair social systems and infrastructure to contiunally destroying and repairing environmental systems.

Pray tell, what exactly is the difference?

Parked Planes don’t pollute, so think about it when you book your next Trip to Mexico ,Hawaii or where ever !

Littlebuds: “The hardest pill to swallow for me is the selling of coal to China,it is a matter of morals to me.Here in BC we are taxed on carbon yet we can sell one of the worst pollutants to one of the worst polluters on the planet, not to mention the living conditions in China and that some exported goods could poison your children or kill your family pet. What has to happen before morals become more important than money.”

Who is the main consumer of the goods made in China (produced with the help of exported coal and other raw materials?)

Three guesses, the first two don’t count.

Everytime someone buys something at Walmart (or most other big box stores), they’re essentially supporting the export of these materials.

People vote with their wallets every day. They’ve voted that they want their cheap goods, but they also point to China as being the world’s biggest polluter. See the disconnect?

Have they stopped making brush’s to sweep the snow off vehicle’s ?

Littlebuds
You are absolutely right.
It is just sad, that so many people do not realize it what’s going on. Or they are blind or careless, that they do not read the tags, where the item is made, before buying.
Do we really need cheap > I say no!!!!!!!!!!
And hopefully more people will wake up next year instead of supporting this.

I find that once I get going fast enough on a main street, the snow blows off eventually …..

Gus your wood burning example was hilarious, I will be passing it on to a couple of blogs. They should get a kick out of it. This is just basic, but plants absorb C02 so the burning is just releasing it not adding to the C02, there fore neutral

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/24/the-earths-biosphere-is-booming-data-suggests-that-co2-is-the-cause-part-2/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/06/co2-is-plant-food-clean-coal-say-watt/

http://www.friendsofscience.org/

Socredible you lost a lot of credibility last week with your accounting ‘innovations’ when you claimed that the BC Hydro scheme to trade revenue was an ‘innovation’ that was ahead of its day and simply not accepted yet by the wider public. Had they been a private company regulated by the markets they would have seen people going to jail.

It may have been ahead of the regulators, but it is not innovation and contributes nothing to transparency and honest accounting… its nothing but ponzi enabling fraud and criminal in its very nature. The head brass at BC Hydro should have been cleaned out for that one and not rewarded with higher salaries and pensions. I can not help but think its the same people that brought us wireless ‘smart meters’ as a way to coverup their past management fraud on the people of BC.

In a reciprocal energy revenue swap to claim 25-years of revenue from a contract that has not yet been fulfilled, and then expense the cost to produce that energy annually perverts the net income in year one massively to the profit side (justifying higher expenditures in bonus, salaries, and other wish list items for management) and sand bagging future net income to pay for the false accounting… costs rate payers will have to make up for a generation from now.

As one that claims to advocate honest accounting you loose all credibility by simply calling fraud enabling techniques like the revenue trading an innovation that is ahead of its time. It is fraud that enables a ponzi market and management excess paid for by the simpletons that think financial statements can be trusted… it is the direct source for the largest bankruptcies in recent history (Enron, Worldcom, 360 Networks, Global Crossing, and Arther Anderson) all with connections to the ‘innovators’ in BC… its the 1% banksters assaulting the main street pensioners, and BC was used as their safe haven.

Shame on you Socredible.

I like the honesty of Littlebuds statement regarding our carbon tax and yet selling China coal… ditto for Aberta oil sands developments.

Meanwhile we pay 20-cents more per liter for fuel here in PG than elsewhere in BC and Alberta… its in the tens of millions per year in petro company taxes that are collected from PG. Surely its a price fixing crime and yet it shows how futile our democracy really is when it comes to representing a fair market for citizens.

IMO it truly represents the fascist corpocracy our democracy has become. There are no morals in the legislature or parliament anymore, but rather top down party control rationalizing the idea we should be a resource for globalization… the sustainable economy and standard of living for Canadians be damned. The ministry of the environment is but a tool for the elites and their PR and nothing more.

I think 2011 was the year most Canadians realized that our democracy truly is broken and failing us as a country and people. Our country is being harvested and future generations will live in a country that sees them as pawns rather than citizens.

IMHO

Thank you for your input to my post.
Eagleone, well said
Johnnybelt, I do see the disconnect

The day may come when Mother Earth developes a bad case of gas and belches out changes, then we are the ones that will be fracked

I made no such claim about BC Hydro, Eagle.

What I did say was that there has been some controversy amongst those whose ongoing deliberations lead to periodic changes in what are known as ‘Generally Accepted Accounting Principles’ whether what ENRON was doing (and for which some of its officers were convicted and jailed)was more a case of the accounting not having kept pace with changes in modern technology than an outright attempt to defraud anyone.

There is no doubt that Enron DID violate GAAPs as they were then being applied.

Whether that was intentional fraud, or not, isn’t for me to say.

I do know that the way accounting is done DOES continually change in response to changing needs ~ to try to make it better ‘reflect’ figuratively what is actually going on. GAAPs are not set in stone, nor should they be. It could be that at some future time the way Enron was doing its books, in the particular type of business it was in, will be quite acceptable. Or not.

It isn’t the only instance of the rules and conventions of accounting AS THEY ARE NOW not being completely appropriate for some types of modern businesses, and leading to false conclusions regarding their viability.

I’m not on one side or the other of that issue, Eagle.

Gus:-“Surely we can apply that vast knowledge of how to continually destroy and repair social systems and infrastructure to continually destroying and repairing environmental systems.

Pray tell, what exactly is the difference?”
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I believe it has something to do with the way humans think, Gus. It is said that “in times of war the Laws fall silent”, and many things which could not be done in times of peace can easily be done. And instead of meeting with widespread objection, are greeted with near universal acceptance.

Short of having a dictatorship, with all the apparatus of enforcing totalitarianism, you’d have a hard time applying the same principles used to finance the means of war to financing other things that were more sensible. And even then, I doubt it could be made to work long term.

Wanna wish everyone a happy New year, please don’t drink and drive.
On another note, although it’s political, don’t want Adrian Dix anywhere near the treasure chest for this province. He helped Glen Clark screw up our province. Don’t think Christy is any better but, don’t forget the dumbbutts that screwed us up last time.
Eat yer Ham, eat yer turkey, hope yer regular, and pass the scotch, damn its gonna be another good year!

Happy New Year and all the best in 2012!

Looks like according to the Mayan Calender we’ll need to get our blogging done before December 21, 2012

But hey, look on the bright side, after December 21, 2012 – no need to worry about Smart Meters, the new retractable roof that leaks on BC Place, no need to worry about the economy, or who is ripping off who…Mayor Green’s core review will be in vain, not to worry about carbon tax or taxes in general, or snow removal and pot holes,…..looks like the Mayan’s are on to something….Ops I just checked on the net and looks like the Mayan calender is wrong….so practice up the typing for blogging 2012!!

Great going Cheetos …. you were the last poster … ;-)

Happy New Year, everyone!!

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