Is it just me thinking that people must think killing someone doesnt come at a big enough cost…sure are lots of murders…

The cost has nothing to do with it. Think why this would happen in this location and about the local economic/social/demographics etc.

Like pgmatt says, cost (and punishment) doesn’t make a difference. Capital punishment and increased sentence length has been proven over and over again to not decrease murder rates.

Countries with harsh judicial systems don’t have lower crime rates. Countries with more encompassing social programs and higher focus on genuine rehabilitation have lower crime rates.

Of course, none of this appeases the redneck, bloodthirsty “string em up” lynch mob attitude that is so common among the uneducated ignoramuses that elected our current federal government.

Headshake You chastised the wrong ones where you refer to “on February 4 2012 1:27 PM” uneducated ignoramuses that elected our current federal government.
Educated or not at the very least they voted.Direct your vitriol at those who fail the system, those who bitch but don’t bother to vote, these are the real ignoramuses, don’t fault those who exercise their voting rights, your comment is resemblance of someone who shots a little to fast from the lip.

I guess someone needed his truck, pretty sad.

Headshake. What do you base your hypothesis on. I suggest that in fact you have no hard facts to back up your statements.

I would suggest to you that a Country like the USA, or perhaps Canada, have a much higher homicide rate than other Western Countries, so how do you do the comparison.

Do you base is on x number of homicides per 1000 people???.

It stands to reason that a Country who has very few homicides also has the luxury of having a more moderate and compassionate system of rehabilitation. However in Countrys like the USA and to some extent Canada, where the homicide rate is very high, one had better get these dudes into a jail as soon as possible.

Once they are convicted and jailed, then we can try and rehabilitate them. In the meantime we know one thing for sure. If they are in jail, it is highly unlikely they will commit another crime, until they are released. The same applies to other crimes such a robbery, assault, etc; The majority of these crimes are committed by the same people, over and over.

If one was to beleive your line of reasoning we would conclude that no matter how many murderers we put in jail, there would be the same or more murders committed. Why would that be. Are we producing a finite number of murderers every year??

As a matter of interest the Conservative Government has only been in power since 2005. I suggest to you that a lot of the murderers in jail to-day were put their by your beloved Liberals who were in power prior to 2005, so you should discuss rehab with them.

I agree with most of your post Papopu, except I think the problem is deeper than to try and rehabilitate the murderer after conviction.
I think in order to prevent a person from becoming a murderer in the first place takes a commitment of a country to help provide a place in which to live that gives all citizens a decent chance in life.

A country that has a commitment to healthcare, education, and a safety net that when one falls off the rails there are legitimate safety nets in place to get back on track before the citizen has become a murderer.

A country that has a federal government that says its solution to an ageing populations high costs of healthcare is to tie it to GDP and wipe its hands of finding any solutions down to its provinces.
Or a country thats federal government says to its citizens it cannot manage the higher costs of an ageing populations Old Age Security. All the while telling its citizens “don’t worry you all have 10 or 15 years to better prepare.” Why can’t that same government use those same 10 or 15 years to better prepare? To think we pay these people to make such lame solutions.

So by electing a government that uses these kinds of tactics to pass the buck on solutions to everywhere it can but itself. Its pretty easy to see we will continue to see more of its citizens develope residents of the new jails that this federal government thinks is the solution to crime.

“Of course, none of this appeases the redneck, bloodthirsty “string em up” lynch mob attitude that is so common among the uneducated ignoramuses that elected our current federal government.”

I don’t think I’m an uneducated ignoramuse. Unless of course that means that my belief that once you “string em up”, they won’t commit any more crimes is incorrect.

I often wonder why more and more people of all walks, not just bloodthirsty rednecks, are talking more and more about how criminals SHOULD be treated. Could it be because the courts keep letting the same guys out to do the same things over and over again!!!!!!!

When I was 19 driving through Fort St James coming back from tree planting I nearly had a situation that was similar.

I stopped to ask for directions (from the reserve on the north side of the lake) and suddenly my passenger side door opened and a couple of native guys hoped in (they had done this before it was apparent because they did it with such ease)… kind of freaked me out, but I figured to play it cool until I could figure out what to do (I was essentially car jacked). They said they needed a ride to a party (I worried what kind of weapons they carried) I told them I was in a hurry and could give them a ride and they started to get upset… to be honest a little scary seeing as I was by myself and surrounded by a dozen of them. Never stop to ask directions without first locking the doors was the lesson quickly learned.

So turns out the party was only a few blocks away… vehicles with no tires and smashed up littering the yard… they insisted I come in the house with them and ‘party’… I said sure, but I think I have a joint in the truck somewhere if I can find it I’ll smoke it with them, wicked awesome weed I told them (made it all up)… so they got out of the truck so I could look for the joint under the seat… and as soon as I could I shut the door, locked it, and sped away… the couple that just got out of the truck chased after on foot all angry, but no way in hell I was stopping.

100% for sure they were setting me up for a beating as soon as they got me out of the truck… maybe they wanted my truck, maybe all my belongings (I was in the bush for a month)… it was a scary situation and I felt very lucky to have gotten away. I suspect Fribjon was not so lucky in a similar situation.

I think that can happen anywhere if you aren’t careful of your surroundings eagle. You can’t sum up what happened to Fribjon as something that would commonly happen in FSJ. It’s my understanding that there were serious drug issues involved. I think this Is a serious problem in a lot of first nation communities. It is something that has to be dealt with. Maybe there needs to be more police presence. I don’t know the answers but I know that a family is without their son and father and a community is struggling to come to grips with how things like this can happen so close to home. I hope that justice is served for what has happened and that his family and friends and communities involved fight until it is. Thinking of his family at this time. Rest in peace Frib.

I think that can happen anywhere if you aren’t careful of your surroundings eagle. You can’t sum up what happened to Fribjon as something that would commonly happen in FSJ. It’s my understanding that there were serious drug issues involved. I think this Is a serious problem in a lot of first nation communities. It is something that has to be dealt with. Maybe there needs to be more police presence. I don’t know the answers but I know that a family is without their son and father and a community is struggling to come to grips with how things like this can happen so close to home. I hope that justice is served for what has happened and that his family and friends and communities involved fight until it is. Thinking of his family at this time. Rest in peace Frib.