I don’t think you’re listening, Ted. I think most people are for it including council members, it’s just the wrong location.

Use a little imagination, and don’t be so lazy. Stop focusing on that one location.

I support it & the location. It’s too bad it didn’t go thru. Now we still have an old run down building that’s been sitting empty for years at that corner and it’s a real eye sore.

It is an excellent location and if you set up your buisnes there it would open up the downtown

I always thought PG was a business friendly town…I am not a regular bar hopper bought it would be nice to have a place to go if you wanted too…what is wrong with this idea…everyone is always bitching we need more downtown business…

If your business is selling western wear you might welcome a saloon for a neighbour.

Seems to be a quality nightclub. Hope he reapplies.

I’m all for it good location & good for down town, don’t give up Ted.

Maybe the city will buy the theatre and sell it to your group for a dollar..lol. But really I am for it. There are a lot of clubs in other cities that are close to residential areas.

I think this is good, a little investment will make the facility much nicer than the old rundown “nightclubs” downtown *cough* the croft. It’s a shame that there’s not much to do for the younger crowd in the evenings anymore

Offer the city a deal on the airspace above it and it will pass in an instant.
Seriously though, good luck, I hope this goes through.

Sign Dan on as a partner and away you go!

I can’t believe that with all the vacant property downtown that the old Odeon is the best location. Like someone else said, use a little imagination.

I can’t imagine what it would be like for the nearby residents when a bunch of drunks spill out onto the streets near their homes at closing time.

Agreed JohnnyBelt. A nice dance club with live entertainment would be great downtown…gotta be a win win here somewhere. Really is no where for my age group to go for fear of running into one of my kids. Please consider it Ted.

Drunks spilling out within a stones throw from a 50 million dollar police station. Where would you rather them spill out? Thats not much of a residential area. Something else must be at play here.

I agree Dow. These aren’t the mongol hordes heading into the village as much as the fearmongers would like to say. When people leave the bar they are headed to the parking lot or a cab (within sight of a police station I might add). Some people make it sound like closing time will hit and it will be a replay of the canucks losing game 7.

“It’s a shame that there’s not much to do for the younger crowd in the evenings anymore”

I’ll second that and say that it’s a shame that there’s not much to do for the older crowd, or any crowd, in the evenings anymore.

Who cares how close the police station is? Ask the cops themselves what it’s like around closing time at the various establishments. They’ll tell you what goes on.

At least if they’re located more in the downtown core there won’t be any nearby residents to disturb.

That all being said, I agree that a place like this is needed. Just not at the old Odeon location.

dow7500 wrote: “Something else must be at play here.”

I agree.

The following is not necessarily in any order, but all within the last decade or close to it.

The City is concerned that no one comes downtown any more. They try to keep the Casino in the downtown and remind them that the downtown is the “entertainment district”. The Casino does not buy into the notion that gambling is entertainment.

At the same time the City promotes the idea of getting residences downtown. Students would be the perfect match.

They kick the Cadillac Ranch from City premises. They buy and tear down the PG Hotel.

People become concerned that the Coast is going to put in a specialty liquor store where a nightclub used to be.

Joe’s Place is closed and converted into social housing.

Bingo moves out of town.

The National closes, Columbus burns, etc. etc.

There are 4 townhouses developed on Victoria between 2nd and 1st. Janine North moves in. She is 400 metres walking distance to the Generator. She is also 150 metres from where the Cadillac used to be and where the City is quite capable of opening up another drinking establishment. Remember, there are no guarantees in life.

Coole proposes the Nightclub on Vancouver and Third. Ms North is 300 metres walking distance (two blocks) from the proposed nightclub. She writes a letter to Council saying she is opposed to the nightclub. Others write in opposition who generally live much further away and others from all over the city write in favour … probably a 50/50 or so split …. we are never told, actually where people lived and who should have a say from the point of view of living close by.

The thing dies on the table.

There are no specific standards for such liquor primary clubs, such as how close they may be to residential buildings.

The location is in a C-1 zone, the same as the rest of downtown.

Finally, the Elizabeth Fry residences are within about 70 metres of Shooters on Brunswick and Sixth.

So let us look at Penticton. They have a nightclub called “the Mule” on Martin Street, their main downtown drag, other than the lakeshore.

The Mule is within 100 metres of what is probably the prime downtown condo development with several towers of up to 15 storeys high.

Of course, across the street from the condo complex is the lakeside development of hotel and casino.

http://www.themulenightclub.ca

$450,000 to $600,000 (depending on view and storey) for a 2 bedroom apartment within 100 metres of a nighclub ….. tsk, tsk.
http://www.homes.com/listing/163070512/160_Lakeshore_Drive_W_%23607_PENTICTON_BC_V2A_9C2

I think we need some standards for such developments. Without them it will not be equitable. Talk about not being open for business!

As far as leasing or buying an existing building versus building a new building, the cost is like the difference between night and day. Anyone who does not understand that really needs to educate themselves on the development process and operating a business.

What residential area? Shooters on Massey is almost as close as this is to residential and you don’t hear about problems there. Let them run the bar.

When one lives in the very centre of a city, the idea is that one is in the middle of the action of a downtown. In a small city, that means ALL the action.

We are not large enough to have our Robson Street separated from our East Hastings by 2 km.

So, learn to live we that fact. For those people who have to live in a bubble I suggest staying in suburbia till things might suit your needs. Give others a chance to live their lifestyles as well.

Porter, go to any neighbourhood pub. Of course they are dying as well these days. But the whole idea there was to be in the middle of a residential neighbourhod typically incorporated with a neighbourhood shopping centre.

As with many things in this City, it has no plans in place. Now it has a realtor in charge of planning.

It is getting very bad!! There is no hope in sight.

There is a Shooters on Massey Dr….?

I think he means Ospika … but that pub, of course, used to be on Massey, where it was close to a church and residences.

I recall when Shooters moved in to their location on Brunswick, the Goldcap spoke against it because of their concern with patrons exiting at night after closing time.

Perhaps we should move all liquor primary facilities to light industrial zones.

A pub is not a heehaw bar.

The last thing PG needs is more drunks on the road. One guy catches 112 out of 542 impaired drivers last year. How many got away? Kind of scary.

Go dance at the Multiplex. I hear they serve booze there now.

“The last thing PG needs is more drunks on the road.”

Has anyone got any stats on those drivers who were caught driving with greater than the allowed level of alcohol in their blood?

Did they

1. attend a private function at someone’s house?

2. drink at home then decided to drive somewhere?

3. atttend a function at a hotel or city banquet facility

4. attend a city sports or othe entertainment function at the CN Centre

5. Attend a neighbourhood or downtown pub

6. attend a nightclub – I think we have two left, or are there 3?

Do we have any stats on origin-destination of those who were found to be DUI? Where did they drink and get drunk and where were they driving to?

If we have some information like that, we can make some objective findings. If we do not have that level of quality information, then we have unfounded opinion based on personal prejudices.

As far as I understand the fear of such nighclubs has become gang and drug related.

Bullshit baffles brains. The fact of the matter is this **nightclub** was to house 400 people. In addition I suspect that once it was established it would open around 11am to get the lunch crowd, and then operate as a bar, and dance club until it opened for the night crowd. Who knows??

Anyone who ever went to a police station in the early hours of the morning should know that there are very few police in the building, and the doors are locked, and you communicate through an intercom system.

So just because there is a police station in the area, does not mean that there are police in the area. I would assume they are out patrolling.

If this is the only location for a nite club, then Prince George has some serious problems/.

It is absolutely the wrong place., We have a bowling alley, bookstore and cafe, native friendship centre, hairdressing school, office buildings, and residential area, all located in that area.

You need a nightclub at that location like you need another hole in your head.

If this is best attempt that Cool can make to locate his business, then too bad.,

The whole concept of closing down the huge 200/300 seat beer parlours and going to neibourhood pubs, was to get away from the huge drinking crowds, and drinking and driving. Seems they not want to go back to the huge crowds.

“Do we have any stats on origin-destination of those who were found to be DUI? Where did they drink and get drunk and where were they driving to?”

It doesn’t matter gus. To think a 400 seat heehaw bar with a parking lot isn’t going to add to more drunks on the road is simply naive.

So what’s the solution Noway. Close all liquor establishments? PG needs night life, period. We are already a backwater in many peoples minds. We proved that with being the only WHL franchise to be hijacked by prohibition zelots. The location of coyotes is more than appropriate.

Yes, there are many vacant locations downtown, but the cost to renovate/build negates a profitable enterprise. This is a strong building that housed a theatre. Show me a comporable building else where.

I agree that its a great location.

Ted mistakes his cause as a social justice issue. It most certainly is not. Expecting the community to rally around a private liquor business is delusional.

If Ted really wants to reapply, he should be meeting privtely with neighbouring businesses and residents to speak to them directly about their concerns, not organizing a mob of potential patrons ready to pick a fight.

An open house was held to solicit community interest and the feedback from that was clear. I’m all for a new nighclub, but not at the expense of other businesses. Lots of new condos going in this area too, and I think that’s really the kind of development that the community wants to see.

It’s unfortunate that BC liquor laws are so cumbersome, but that’s the price to pay for an industry that makes billions in profits and offloads much more in social burden.