Enbridge Wasn’t going to build the best line with the highest safety measures right out of the gate. This proves that they are only out for profit and do not care about spills. Their horrible track record stands for itself. Time to sell your snake oil some where else.

Projects of this size often are reviewed to see if things can be done safer and better. They are going well beyond industry standards to try to respond to saftey concerns and to address risk.

Of course, this won’t be enough for the naysayers. Nothing will.

So a company with such a poor record as enbridge that they have been labled as unethical stock to traders. And even though they are one of the most profitable companies in canada, they are the least desireable stock on the exchange, is NOW to be believed? Read the report the EPA gave enbridge about its michigan spill, that pretty much says what we could expect here in BC, and the terrain is alot more complicated here.

There aren’t any pipes made that can withstand rockslides – ordinary ones due to weathering of mountain slopes and the ones happening as a result of earthquakes and washouts and avalanches. Laying a pipeline into relatively level and undisturbed prarie soil is one thing. Crossing mountainous and rocky territory and hundreds of streams, creeks and rivers is another.

If the ground under a full pipeline gets washed out for any longer distance the thing will buckle and break due to its own tremendous weight.

Yes, I am a Naysayer and not a Yessir Steve yesman! Having a different opinion often invokes scorn and ridicule by others, but that is just the way it goes.

NO pipeline.

JohnnyBelt: They “said” they were going far beyond indistry standards is very far from actually doing it. They have “said” a lot of things publicly which have turned out to be untrue. I say once a liar, always a liar and I’m afraid in this case, they have proven what they are and that is far beyond accepted standards too.

I just find it a little strange that other pipline companies don’t grab the headlines in regards to failures like this one does.

Johnny. They toooook 17 hrs to respond to their last spill …..in the last 10 yrs they have spilt just over half what the exxon Valdez did from their pipelines… Yeah the facts are what us “nay Sayers” foolishly rely on…not words from some corporate spin doctor.

good move enbridge, build the pipe line.

So what about the pipelines already crossing the mountains?

Enbridge can say all they want, but they have no legal liability when the spill does happen… they are limited as a separate corporate entity from Northern Gateway.

If they had faith in their own pipeline plans, then they would have this pipeline as an Enbridge owned, controlled, and responsibility of their own rather than using corporate legal laws to transfer the liability of a $20 billion dollar spill clean up to the tax payer of BC while they receive all the benefits of the pipeline.

None of the measures above make one iota of a difference when we have a major landslide like we have seen in recent weeks in the South East of BC, and have had in recent years along the path of this pipeline. What some people just don’t get is that the proposed route can not be controlled by man with 100% certainty and that just guarantees a future spill if they insist on building through this unprecedented terrain.

“So what about the pipelines already crossing the mountains?”

They aren’t owned by Enbridge.

“Unlike conventional crude, diluted bitumen or “dilbit” is a mixture of unrefined tar that is often heavier than water and “diluent.” This is usually a cocktail of volatile solvents like naphtha or natural gas condensate that allows the thick bitumen to be pumped through the pipeline.”

http://thetyee.ca/News/2012/03/05/Diluted-Bitumen/

“In the days following the Kalamazoo spill, authorities advised local residents within approximately one mile of the river to remain indoors or leave the area to limit their exposure to toxic fumes.”

This isn’t regular crude.

whatever!

Eagleone, exactly! Imagine a pipeline would have been buried alongside the shoreline where the recent slide occurred that took four lives!

Thanks for the info Noway about how poisonous this diluted bitumen stuff really is!

Give more: “I just find it a little strange that other pipline companies don’t grab the headlines in regards to failures like this one does.”

Oil and gas companies are the media’s flavour of the week. Remember back in the 90’s when they hammered on forestry companies? I remember many people in this region not being too happy about the mainstream media taking pot shots at their livelyhoods.

OTTAWA – B.C. Premier Christy Clark says the proposed Northern Gateway oilsands pipeline poses “a very large risk” to her province with “very small” benefit, and doubts British Columbians believe the current risk to the environment is an acceptable one.

http://www.canada.com/Christy+Clark+Northern+Gateway+pipeline+very+large+risk+with+very+small+benefit/6966456/story.html

Christy and Adrian can try to rally the voters any way they want… but the pipeline would be under Federal jurisdiction.

Smoke another one Johnny. BC still has the right to its own environmental review, and furthermore BC has the constitution on its side in regards to crown assets. And further to that the natives have legitimate legal status to their land claim rights.

Enbridge doesn’t stand a chance with their ‘Northern Gateway Pipelines Incorporated’ scheme if BC says no. Harper would have to bring in the army and declare martial law… I can see him doing that, but he wouldn’t last long in power… his majority isn’t that big.

Remember Johnny you’re in Canada now. Unlike your American cousins we have provincial sovereign rights in Canadian provinces, whereas American states have no say in the matter of pipelines, oil and gas, minerals, and most of the forestry… they are a republic where the inherent rights lie with the federal government. You are in Canada now and we have a different constitutional reality as it relates to provincial crown land. If you have a problem with that maybe you can talk about it with Quebec.

In the mean time continue your slogan campaign of misinformation in support of the Northern Gateway Pipeline Incorporated because I don’t think anyone takes your slogans seriously anyways.

CBC says there was a landslide on the Fraser and that residents on Baker Creek(?) are on a flood alert.

Eagleone, things are indeed different in B.C. from how things are done in the USA. A favourite method there is for the government to enforce issues to threaten to withhold transfer of federal funds until a city or state toe the line.

A good example is educational funding. Also, a threat to cancel federal assistance funding for water supplies systems is usually sufficient to persuade a city to bring in or continue water fluoridation even though the city and the residents are actually against it.

Harper has the last say. He will say yes and if B.C. says no and the First Nations say no Harper’s majority may end up becoming a very small minority.

Eagle: “Harper would have to bring in the army and declare martial law… I can see him doing that, but he wouldn’t last long in power… “

Now who needs to smoke another one. I have to give you credit though, you’ve mostly stopped your anti-Israel rants. There’s hope for you yet.

Ottawa still requires provincial permits, the province can demand hundreds of miles of pipe be built underground, all in the name of delaying until Harper is removed, First Nations can delay through the courts for years and years.

Alberta crud oil can go east, go south, there are other options for getting this oil to market.

What Johnny troll belt forgets is that Canada imports 877,000 barrels of oil everyday to eastern Canada.

Christy Clark came up snake eyes when she asked Alison Redford for $$$$$..The light came on in Christy`s brain(?) when she learned that BC gets nothing out of this project but inevitable oil spills, Chinese made pipes, foreign pipeline builders, and it would also raise the cost to all BC drivers by $700 million per year in higher fuel prices.

Enbridge has quit their ads..Too-bad Enbridge, Stephen Treason Harper and big oil will have to return petro-China and Sinopec their $100 million dollar grease the skids money.

Deal with Johnny.

Game over for Enbridge, and Harper!

577,The Unluckiest Number,Ten years out./ The Enbridge pipeline disaster

The 10 year anniversary next month of the Bengal Lion Star tragedy and I had to come to ground zero to see for myself, perhaps it was a mistake to come here, from what I have seen i`m way too angry to cry and too sad for fury, in fact I almost have that peaceful easy feeling.

How I miss my dad`s analytical explanation and mom`s hope springs eternal talks, yet I fear that neither parent could explain away this tragedy, 10 years later, 10 years of black death extending it`s reach.

Looking around by boat off Banks island, one mile from ground zero the feeling is of the surreal, trees are still green but any ocean life or bird activity is eerily quiet, no salmon fry swimming , no squawking gulls just silence, for tens of miles in every direction the great kelp forests are gone, who gave us permission to gamble and lose what we didn`t own and what we could never replace, Fish lake was a horrid environmental mistake, imagine deliberately destroying a huge natural watershed for trinkets of gold, thousands of dead migrating birds, a poisonous lake devoid of life, how many species of frogs, insects still get near or in the lake only to perish or leave half dead, but as horrible as the deliberate execution of Fish lake was the scale of the Bengal Lion Star oil spill off Banks island in Hecate Strait is beyond compare, how is it that my only terms of reference in attempting to describe this site is that of dead zones, in a way its very peaceful, no eternal battle for life here, those days are long gone.

Only if I could turn back the clock, why did it happen, the Bengal Lion Star should not have went out, a deep pacific low moving in, was the Captain pressured to leave, why why why, even with two large commercial tug boats assisting wasn`t going to stop the wreck, maybe if there were extra support tugs who knows but when lead tug boat Kitimat queen capsized in heavy seas nothing was going to stop the massive oil carrier from grounding on White jagged rocks that stormy (March 14, 2016) night, 30 – 40 ft high waves capped with fury pounded the Bengal Lion Star on unforgiving rocks, section after section burst like watermelons, spewing millions of gallons of tar sand oil, the 3rd largest oil spill in the world, maybe if the oil containment teams had gotten out here sooner but with storm force winds blowing for 2 days along with extreme high and low tides, my god, oil sprayed the shore line high on exposed rocks and layered thick into the lowest tidal zones, mountains of Alberta crude flowing in deep water, who could imagine the oil would have spread 50 miles in different directions over 2 days, coves, bays, narrow channels coated in black death, as far as I can look in any direction this paradise is dead, who knows what the bird count will ultimately be, millions of direct bird deaths with millions more that died in subsequent migrations, birds all along the coast found dead, birds with clear signs of contact with heavy oil, the engine in this migration route blasted with Alberta crude, indeed, the scale of the Bengal Lion Star oil spill can`t be measured in millions of oiled birds or the 40 distinct salmon runs that were decimated and or all of British Columbia`s wild salmon teetering on extinction, the sea lions, otters, coastal bears, eagles, ferrets, no salmon spawning led one extinction into another, we broke nature`s bond, too many dead for one`s heart to count, oil stained carcasses feed other animals that ultimately die and black oil`s death grip reaches on and on, only with time, generational time, perhaps millenia before this area recovers, can it recover, and for what, to spill another tanker of crude.

I don`t what is harder to take, the fragile existence of a few northern runs of salmon and southern Sockeye, it`s almost like the cycle of life has been thrown out, this large swath of nature, thousands of square miles destroyed forever, well at least for my lifetime, perhaps 6 or 7 generations before this area will become fertile again but with continued oil tanker traffic when will black death strike again, even if the shell fish recover, even if herring spawns again, the Orca will never be seen again, the birthing females were first to die then the small adolescent Orca perished, 2 adult males are all that is left of the species, maybe mankind should have figured out how to start a new Orca pod before destroying the only one we had, we can take life away in a moment for all time, why didn`t we learn from the Valdez disaster, there is no going back, First Nations have mourned, the northern and island tourism industry has been decimated, maybe I should have fought harder against the National review 15 years ago, 10 years out from the disaster and Hecate Strait still lay mortally wounded, you can still smell crude oil, I can only think of Charlton Heston`s Planet of the Apes movie when he sees New York`s Statue of Liberty and realizes that it was mankind himself that burned mother nature, this area is no longer worth fighting for, top scientists are mostly in agreement that outside of decades of time there is nothing on scale that can be done to remediate the damage.

It appears the only ones left fighting about the Bengal Lion Star are the litigants, where have we seen this picture before, the Exxon Valdez law suit still lingers unpaid(40 years later), the Liberian registered Bengal Lion Star oil tanker had but minimum insurance, $200 million dollars yet the insurance has been contested, Bengal Lion Star hadn`t paid premiums in 2 years, Honshu commercial carrier insurance company have claimed bankruptcy, between the Province and Ottawa more than $14.9 billion has been spent on clean-up and species mitigation, First Nations, affected business`s and local town`s folk have law suits filed worth more than $15 billion dollars, everyone suing and litigating for compensation on something no one can return, Enbridge pipeline inc washes their hands of any responsibility, Shell, Exxon Mobile and the Chinese petroleum company are all pointing fingers at each other, owners of the Bengal Lion Star blame the escort tug company, tug company blames act of god and file for bankruptcy, how long will these trials go on and who will ultimately pay, what price, what price to return nature to the way it was, all this pain to secure dirty Alberta crude oil to China, oil use falls for the last 7 years, a dying product needing desperate tyrants, we sold out nature on British Columbian`s wild west coast for a handful of pesos, how can ancient dregs of plants take so much away from present and future life cycles, I can`t shed tears anymore, my life, my personal battles, millions of wasted words warning of potential harm or should I say risk management, I `m too old to repeat the warnings and too tired to muster passion, the battle for Haida Gwaii is over.

Despite the First Nation`s blockade attempting to stop the very first oil tanker, 8 First Nations elders gave their life that day, not enough pressure to stop the Vessel, Oil tanker Shell diamond and it`s Canadian naval escort, dugout canoe versus high-speed frigate, symbolic but futile, the time to stop Enbridge was before it started, certainly native voices on opening day weren`t going to stop it, you can`t stop $5 billion dollars spent, never the less January 13/2015 was the day the first super tanker left Kitimat, thousands of small protest vessels, nothing, not even Greenpeace and Suzuki foundation`s concentrated efforts could stop the Federal Conservatives and the Gordon Campbell Liberal administration from rubber stamping this project from the git-go, proceeding at full speed, no matter how much evidence anti pipeline opponents, scientists, biologists, enviro`s put forward they were all but ignored, why didn`t the NDP government stop the completion of Enbridge after they were elected in 2013, was the fix in, too much money invested to stop, too big to fail, needed economic growth, jobs jobs jobs, yes I heard everyone of those excuses justifying the completion of Enbridge, what jobs, imported foreign workers building the pipeline and 12 permanent after construction jobs, was it worth it.

Madness, I knew something really big would happen, not the 5000 barrels that spilt into the Skeena river, not the 50,000 barrels dumped at the port of Kitimat but something epic, mathematician’s also knew it was coming, not if a big spill would happen but when a spill would happen, I can still hear Gordon Campbell, Christy Clark talk about risk management, the best experts in the world say we can manage the risk, how come no one asked how do we manage armageddon, how do we clean up, how do we create more Orca, how do you bring back thousands of square miles from the dead, I wonder what Gordon Campbell would say, ex premier Adrian Dix stated regrets that the NDP didn`t do more to stop Enbridge, Gordon Campbell is long since dead, yes Stephen Harper and Gordon Muir Campbell I pass blame on to you and your complicit Cabinets, your legacy, Enbridge, bankrupt utilities, a dismal health care system, a dead central coast and slow dying life cycle, well, no one is listening to me, not the Governing federal Conservatives, not Premier Gordon Coons of the newly elected Refederation party, no, no one wants to listen to the left wing, after the BC Liberal led economic collapse, the seeds of P3s, IPPs and insider deals dominated, it didn`t matter who was Government in British Columbia, so many bad deals were signed, how many can the court overturn, the extent of the economic damage that came to fruition, what happened, like the Spanish flu in 1919 that killed millions, no one talks about the harm Gordon Campbell`s corporate Government inflicted upon us, the extent of one way contracts that ate up every Provincial dollar and more, I can`t help but think back to our 2010 Olympics, the pride, the I am Canadian attitude, Super Natural British Columbia but just a few short years after the closing ceremonies we have poisoned interior lakes, lost countless wild salmon runs to fish farms and now the third largest oil spill in the world, a death blow to our BC Coast, a massive spill in our migration engine.

Just picture heaven covered in oil, and what hurts even more, the people of BC don`t seem to care anymore, in the latest public opinion poll by Ipsos Reid job creation and big industry are more important than the environment, 67% for jobs and 16% say protect the environment, it`s times like this when I stare across at Mc Caully island or look into Norway inlet, smell the oil, I see the end of the world being played out, there is no shoulder of comfort to lean on, no soothing hugs that can squelch my silent anger, 576 successful departures from Kitimat, 576 loaded oil tankers that safely managed the inside passage, risk management, reward versus risk, despite 5 years of cruise ships not plying the inside passage, despite the loss to tourism, despite a sterile ocean desert, despite the tiniest of recoveries on the outer edges of the spill zone, despite of everything tanker traffic is predicted to triple over the next 3 years, an insatiable Asian appetite for oil and now that paradise is lost there is nothing left to fight for and no reason to stop, perhaps other Edens can be spared.

Number 577, no tears of anger, no screams of silence, nothing but…

“That peaceful easy feeling.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44A9iDQNrss

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