How long until the federal government tells christy that this project is going ahead?
Although Canada’s resource export business would suffer, I think it would be very interesting indeed if the pipeline project was cancelled due to public backlash. It would set an important precedent, to place the environment and fisheries, outdoor tourism etc. ahead of big business interests.
I personally am not in favour of this pipeline going ahead.
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Will canceling the Northern Gateway pipeline stop the flow of oil from Alberta’s oilsands? No! They already have an intact Eastern route that they don’t have to build a pipeline on because one is already there. Use that one Enbridge or does it need overdue maintenance too?

B.C. Doesn’t need this pipeline.

“The Friday spill in Wisconsin dumped 190 thousand litres of oil.”

190,000 litres = 190 cubic metres. Less than 6 tanker trucks. No spill is good, but it puts things in perspective, considering all the emotional response.

The only thing is puts into perspective is how some people will say stuff like “it puts things into perspective” in order to try and rationalize how an oil spill isn’t really all that bad.

At what point does it go from “let’s put things into perspective” to “well it could have been worse” to “our response teams stopped it from becoming a major spill” to “uh oh, better have our lawyers on standby to prescreen anything we say”.

I’ll tell you what, if I was tossing flies 4-5 KM’s downstream of the mouth of the Stellako in September and 6 tanker trucks worth of heavy crude were dumped into the river at the bridge, how many Sockeye do you think would be floating belly up beside me within 5 or 6 hours? I’d hazard a guess that within a day there wouldn’t be a trout, salmon, whitefish or sucker left between me and the lake. I’d also bet that anything deposited in the spawning beds would be toast. Put that into your perspective pipe and smoke it.

I don’t think this Harper Pipeline will ever be built .

NMG: “The only thing is puts into perspective is how some people will say stuff like “it puts things into perspective” in order to try and rationalize how an oil spill isn’t really all that bad.”

Read my post again where I say that ‘no spill is good’. This spill, like most of them are minor and can be cleaned up easily. But hey, don’t let facts or figures get in the way of all the hand-wringing.

“I don’t think this Harper Pipeline will ever be built .”

It may not, but I wouldn’t bet against it just yet.

A minor spill is only relative to where the minor spill took place. A minor spill in the middle of the Sahara Desert may be minor, a minor spill in the middle of a water shed isn’t minor any more!

I know very little about oil and even less about Dilbit, the Tary substance comming from Albertas Tar Sands. I do know that it is impossable to clean up after a spill occures when a pipeline breaks. I also know that it is harmfull to health of all living things this includes our children. When any harm is threatening our children then you’d better clear the deck Mr. Harper because you have the short end of the attention of the people of BC.

Will these groups stop CN too.

http://www.cn.ca/en/shipping-north-america-crude-by-rail.htm

I think CN only has contracts to the Gulf but has priced or run trials to BC coast. I believe rail Bitumen is heavier or less vicous, as it doesn`t have to flow thru pipes.

We need a solution to get oilsand oil out to westernports safely. The revenue off this resource will help fund our country for generations. Our country and provinces need this revenue and jobs.
Most people I talk to in alberta have no idea about the world class beauty of the Skeena/Kitimat river valley’s. Our country needs a Westcoast terminal for our oil. That won’t change. The idea that the oilsands should be shut down ain’t going to happen. We need a solution that is acceptable to all parties.

“Most people I talk to in alberta have no idea about the world class beauty of the Skeena/Kitimat river valley’s” – they must be dense if they don’t know that flat prairie land is in short supply here in central BC. Personally I couldn’t give two craps what alberta people think anyways since they get most of the wealth and take none of the risk, so putting a pipeline through the heart of BC is no skin off thier @ss.

“But”, your logic must inspire’s leftards all around your mom’ basement.

Should read “Inspire”.

Ports and oil equals export of oil. No oil no export. No port no export. Our proposed cut of this is laughable. What is the price per litre of fuel in China? What is the price of BC wilderness? Do you trust the interests of oil? Oil will be a valuable commodity for many generations, do we trust those currently in control to do what is best?

Harper is intentionally provoking a constitutional crisis. He wants to set limits on provincial sovereignty. He spoke of a new ‘enlightened sovereignty’ at the G-8 meeting in Ontario and this project was behind his vision of a ‘enlightened sovereignty’ for a globalized economy.

Fortunately our forefathers envisioned a Canadian prime minister like Harper wanting to use federal powers to limit provincial sovereignty and impose policies against the will of the local population. Therefor the Westminister Act recognized the provincial sovereignty over natural resources and changes to the constitution to prevent a future Harper from abusing provincial rights. Harper wants to test this… the Americans had a civil war and lost over the same issue.

Strange thing is… in almost everything Harper said he stood for when running for the canadian alliance, turns out to be the opposite… open and transparent government, provincial sovereign rights (ie the firewall), senate reform, fiscal responsibility ect ect ect…..

“Our country and provinces need this revenue and jobs.”

B.C. Doesn’t need these jobs dow7500. BC is booming without the Pipeline. Wouldn’t it make more sense and create more jobs in Canada dow7500 if the oil was refined here? Sell China the gas, build refinery’s here in Canada. And don’t forget Enbridges main goal is to cause the price of oil to go up which in turn will cause the price of gas to go up for everyone in Canada.

“Read my post again where I say that ‘no spill is good’. This spill, like most of them are minor and can be cleaned up easily. But hey, don’t let facts or figures get in the way of all the hand-wringing.”

True JB, a small spill compared to Kalamazoo. But the point is the spill is another knotch in Enbridges spill belt. Do you give them a chance to have a spill in BC or let them prove themselves by running it East in the Pipeline they already have. Revisit the idea in 10 years. That way we can see if they have learned from their mistakes.

“Will these groups stop CN too.

http://www.cn.ca/en/shipping-north-america-crude-by-rail.htm

I think CN only has contracts to the Gulf but has priced or run trials to BC coast. I believe rail Bitumen is heavier or less vicous, as it doesn`t have to flow thru pipes.”

Rail might be the safest way to go and it is the cheapest way to go. But then we still have the issue of tankers in the Coastal waters.

Fixed your link. :)

But. Canada needs the jobs and revenue. How will Quebec and soon to be BC, get their equalization for being have nots?

Eagle. Harper didn’t change the constituion. He’s doing what a primeminister is elected for. To look after national interests. The feds are the last say on this type of project in the constitution. He is not the devil.

There is a ton of bc gas and liquids shipped through alberta to get to markets. Clark’s demands could have unintended consequiences.

“But. Canada needs the jobs and revenue. How will Quebec and soon to be BC, get their equalization for being have nots?”

But the jobs will be in the refinerys in China dow7500 or did you miss that point.

A few pipeline workers in B.C. aren’t going to make a bit of difference to B.C./Canada’s economy. If the pipeline doesn’t go through that oil will still get to market just not through B.C. Build the refinerys in Canada and keep the jobs in Canada.

NOWAY—but wouldn’t the federal and provincial governments collect more taxes on all those new refineries? And wouldn’t all the workers buy more consumer goods? I guess that isn’t what they are interested in because all they want to do is ship raw materials out of Canada and improve the lives of impoverished people in other countries.

Noway. the jobs are in ft mac and all over canada, or did you miss that point. This project isn’t about BC pipeline jobs. Its about diversifying our export market for the biggest economic driver in the country.

Like most maufacturing, Canada and the world struggle to compete against China. Refining is no different. If there was money to be made refining all bitumen in Canada, don’t you think the greedy oil companies would be all over it?

“Like most maufacturing, Canada and the world struggle to compete against China”

The world struggles partially because their costs of production are so low. Their costs of production are often low because they acquire raw materials and convert them to intermediate and finished goods at a much cheaper rate that what other nations, including Canada, can do. They are able to do this partially because export nations like Canada are willing to sell them the raw resources, thereby allowing them to benefit from the entire chain of production as opposed to us being able to benefit from it.

See something wrong with this picture?

So are you suggesting we hoard our resources? See anything wrong with that picture?

And those jobs will still be there dow7500 without the pipeline running through B.C. or did you miss that point? Enbridge already has plans of running the bitumen in the pipes that go east.

Lets export raw logs too, see anything wrong with that picture.