ya FSJ!

This country is only as good as the people living in it. There once was a time when the beaver was revered for his work-ethic. We now suffer the same disease as the US: somewhere along the line, we lost our way and became a nation of selfish, lazy snivellers. All that’s left to do is watch ourselves implode as the proportion of self-entitled lazies eclipses the hard-working “beavers”.

There was a time when the pioneer spirit was something that was aspired to. Where did this militant idea that we could live on handouts come from? Quebec? First Nations? Somebody must pay for our excesses. I paid more in taxes last year than a welfare recipient receives. Should I not at least get photos, letters and progress updates on my adopted loser child?

get a job!

gamblor

There is little benefit for BC in this pipeline especially when Embridge’s recent history is taken into consideration. We are exposed to a majority of the risk of a spill on land(58%) and 100% of the risk on water. Pennies trickle into BC, while Ottawa and Alberta rake in billions- screw em!

I shutter to think of a exon naldeez(?)type spill in Douglas channel. That heavy bitumen oil would wreck the area for generations(and cost billions to clean up)

They had better start looking south or east as the northern gateway is dead.

lonesome: “They had better start looking south or east as the northern gateway is dead. “

So it’s ok as long as it goes through someone else’s back yard? Nice.

If another province or state wants to take the risk have at it.

valdeez(?)

Fort Mac flies lots of workers in maybe they can fly oil out on a back haul:)

Gamblor, you are right on! Used to be we once actually sawed the wood we cut down. Refined the oil we extracted from the ground. Those lazy SOB’s in Alberta should be taught a lesson! I say we don’t export their raw bitumen across BC until they learn some work ethics!

Beavers are still revered, but people with loud, igonorant opinions, not so much.

I’d suggest that if you can make time in your day for that kind of hateful rant, it’s you who has too much time on their hands and perhaps should spend that spare time educating yourself.

Yeah, I’m not sure when we turned into a bunch of wusses, afraid of our own shadows. The can-do spirit has long left the building.

Heavy oils are too dangerous to transport and should be refined at or very near source. Lighter oils will still pose a risk to transport but are far easier to clean up. The Kalamazoo spill is evidence that “heavy oil” spills are virtually impossible to clean up.
I think if we continue to have more Canadians who think like Gamblor we will haul every resource in its rawest form out for other countries to value add and reap the real reward.
If we refined Bitumen at source for sure the “busy beavers” would continue to be busy for years to come as well as benefit to a greater extent than the Gamblors of the world have the capacity, other than the tree that he is presently gnawing on, to think.
Hooray for Fort St James at least it has the balls to take a position on a subject as important as this one that our Premier cannot.

“The can-do spirit has long left the building.”

That’s because the spirit has been changed to “you will do it” whether you like it or not.

“I’m not sure when we turned into a bunch of wusses, afraid of our own shadows.”

Just think if our forfathers weren’t a bunch of wusses we wouldn’t be here right now. Although they were a tough bunch of wusses they were still a very cautious bunch of wusses.

We already send most of our natural resources to other Countries to be further processed. Some examples.

1. Pulp and Paper
2. Lumber and Logs
3. Coal
4. Sulphur
5. Potash
6. Pellets
7. Iron Ore
8. Copper Concentrate and other minerals
9. Wheat, Barley, Oats,
10. Ingots

Im sure there are more, but you get my drift.

In additon a number of years ago we sold the refinery at Kamloops, and one from Taylor BC to South East Asia, so obviously we are getting out of the refining business.

We have very few refineries in Canada, and I sincerely doubt that we could refine oil at anywhere near the cost of having it refined in China, or some parts of the USA. Canadian wages are among the highest in the world, along with the attendent taxes, and of course the cost of transportation. Unless we are willing to take a significant drop in wages, we will not be doing any refining or manufacturing anytime soon in this Country.

The Oilsands will make Canada one of the largest oil producers in the world, after Iran, and Saudi Arabia. If we want to continue to mine this resource, with the thousands of jobs, and billions of dollars it produces, then we need to find a way to make this project work.

Perhaps we could get some intelligent suggestions, as opposed to the hysteria we have been getting lately.

Insofar as Enbridge goes, I suspect if they backed away from this project, and it was taken up by some other group, people would still be opposed.

pellets? If they are shipped as pellets they have already been processed here. Try again. Lumbers…hmmm…seems that is processed logs. I think we still do that here. We also have smelters and some refineries. But it is more cost effective for the companies who mine and drill to ship it offshore and just reap the rewards with little return to the people who SHOULD own the resources. We arent lazy or less industrious, try the govt is in bed with big business and THEY want to maximize THIER profit.

Like But said!!!!

“Insofar as Enbridge goes, I suspect if they backed away from this project, and it was taken up by some other group, people would still be opposed.”

Maybe so Palopu but it would of had a better chance if the company that proposed it wasn’t so corrupt. I mean a spill is a risk no matter what but when a company ignores the fact that maintenance is needed then doesn’t do that maintenance for whatever reason then you have to question their integrity. Now if Enbridges maintenance records and spill response/clean up we’re top notch then there wouldn’t be as much opposition to this project. If Enbridge was an airline would you fly on their planes?

Palopu: “Perhaps we could get some intelligent suggestions, as opposed to the hysteria we have been getting lately.”

No kidding. Unfortunately, the media has decided it doesn’t want the pipeline, and people have bought in hook line and sinker. Digging in your heels and saying ‘no’ under all circumstances will come back to haunt us.

Back in the day W.A.C Bennet entertained the idea of building a Hydro-Electric dam on the Fraser near Lillooet, I don’t think British Columbians are haunted by that decision to stop that project, JohnnyBelt?

Taxed: “Back in the day W.A.C Bennet entertained the idea of building a Hydro-Electric dam on the Fraser near Lillooet, I don’t think British Columbians are haunted by that decision to stop that project, JohnnyBelt?”

Thanks for making my point. Do you actually think that project would go ahead today? Look at the opposition to Site C for example…

Seems that there is an increased demand for power, but nobody wants to do what it takes (dams, etc.) to get it. People want to stop these projects at all costs. How about finding a solution? It’s easier to just say ‘no’.

We might as well put up the “Closed” sign on BC now after the NDP wins the next election.

“Unfortunately, the media has decided it doesn’t want the pipeline, and people have bought in hook line and sinker. “

Do you think there would be a story if Enbridge had a squeaky clean track record? Did the media find Enbridge guilty in the US court? The media didn’t ignore the failing pipeline Enbridge did. One day you will be old enough to understand all this JohnnyB.

“Seems that there is an increased demand for power” . ya, but I guess the question is by who? The americans? With all the hydro power we produce I was flabbergasted to hear we actually import power from alberta part of the year. Whats alberta got? 1 dam on the athabasca producing power?

“Do you think there would be a story if Enbridge had a squeaky clean track record? Did the media find Enbridge guilty in the US court? The media didn’t ignore the failing pipeline Enbridge did. One day you will be old enough to understand all this JohnnyB.”

I understand that putting up the closed sign isn’t good for anyone. How about offering some viable alternatives for a change?

“The media didn’t ignore the failing pipeline Enbridge did.”

Enbridge stories get people to log into this site (and others) which increases the hit count and gets the advertisers salivating. Sensationalism drives web traffic up. The media is a business like any other. Don’t be naive.