Yellowridge?! Lots of luck with that one. I bet it is 2013 by the time they get the job done. Right before they finish Kin  1 six months behind schedule.

Looks like they may have their foot in the door for the next phase of the project ….

http://www.yellowridge.ca/D2.cfm?pid=4

They seem to be doing the rght kind of projects. So how come you tink they have a reputation for being late? Or are they competitors of yours?

I guess you don’t recall how long the addition of the womens unit at the correction centre( on the hill) took.

I do recall that. There are several parties who could be responsible for that. I have no clue of the contractual relationships and the number of changes the client may have required.

If you can enlighten me on that so that if I wanted to assign blame to one party rather than another, I will happily listen. :-)

Seems that there was at least a one month delay in moving in after the City issued an occupancy permit mid November which, in turn, was based on an Engineer’s certificate.

That is a provincial building. The City has little to do with those and relies on the consulting professional in charge of the design in the first place. So that may take care of that part.

Any other “delays” you can eenlighten us on that you know details of?

No dirt for Gus, PV Farmer.
metalman.

Scheduled completion date of the womens unit was March or April of 2010. Actual completion was at least 6 months after that. The delays were a result of mismanagement on site by Yellowridge (in my opinion).

I assume that the contract was a design build contract.

So, I will deal with that assumption. If it was a lump sum contract based on specific drawings, it would be an entirely different matter.

In a design build, there is typically a functional program which defines spaces required and quality of construction, guarantees, etc.

Architects and Engineers are part of the team which are subbed to the “builder” and the builder can have input as to costs for alternate approaches. However, the client is still involved at that time. SO the entire designer-client relationship gets included in the timeline of a design-build. THAT is where the delay is more likely to have occurred not during the construction component. The construction component may get extended due to weather delays, material delivery dates, escalating material prices, etc. etc.

So, going back to what I orginally posted, unless someone knows waht happened during the process, one does not know where the brunt of the blame should fall – owner, designers, material suppliers, builder, weather. …… and even the City as we can see with issuing of the occupancy permit and the opeerator of the jail with possibly waiting for a month to move when the occupancy permit was available.

So, the whole thing is conjecture on everyone’s part, including mine, unless someone knows some facts.

BTW, that design build outfit seems to be building quite a lot of buildings, and buildings which look reasonable from the outside photos ….. they must be doing something right.

Gus, Woman’s unit was a lump sum contract based on completed drawings. The whole thing is not “conjecture” I know for a fact that the woman’s unit was a mininum of 6 months behind schedule (the contractors schedule). The delays had nothing at all to do with weather or design issues. The delays were mainly due to poor site management and trade coordination.
The Kin building is the same (lump sum on completed drawings).
This time next year you will see that the Kin building will also be behind schedule. Ask any trade that has worked for Yellowridge and they will tell you about the “Yellowridge factor”.

red2b … the info you provide in your first sentence does not match with what was reported and posted on this site closer to the event.

With two contractors responsible for intitial site preparation as well as God knows who doing alterations to the existing building, having neophyte engineers on a job site who appear never to have been to a construction job site before, this project looks like it was a disaster in the making from the start.

I will need proof as to who the site managers were … Yellowbridge may have been that for their construcion part. But the real question is who was the project manager. It sounds to me that this entire project was built on the fly in what the owners or owner’s design reps erroneously would likely have referred to as “fast-track”.

http://www.opinion250.com/blog/view/13827/3/women's++jail+construction+behind+schedule?id=140&st=7440

“I will need proof as to who the site managers were”. Gus, the project management, site management and site supervision that Yellowridge provided for their part of the work were very inexperienced and this lack of experience in coordinating trades on a complex job caused delays for the project and as a result, the subtrades.
By “proof” do you mean something you can find by googling? Like I said before- talk to any trade contractor who has ever done work for Yellowridge and you will find out that that trade will no longer work for them or if they do they will allow for the “yellowridge” factor.
They have been on the Kin project for what? 3 months? That project is already about 4 weeks behind due to their mismanagement. This project will not be completed on time but the city did save 1 million by picking the “lowest bidder” but in reality the least qualified to bring this or numerous other projects in on schedule. Check the hospital in Nelson- about 15 months late finishing and still not done.
As for the delays at the womens unit- I was talking about the delays to the schedule that THEY provided.

Gus, my opinion may not match yours. I speak from experience dealing directly with Yellowridge. Have You? Would you? If you do. add about 10% for the Yellowridge factor and please remember- this is only my opinion.

The full project of the women’s section tying it in to the exsiting structure and making appropriate changes in that structure was handled by the BC Government ARES department which is the renamed former BCBC which was a crown corporation.

Yellowridge was just one of the contractors, however, the contractor for the largest single contracts. They were responsible for their own component, but as the Project Manager, ARES was responsible for coordinating the several “prime” contractors on site.

The design of the entire project was provided by Omicron.

In order for me to determine who was at fault for delays, I would have to know details of the work each of those prime parties was responsible for and how often things did not work ut just as they should have and whose primary responsibility that was. ARES, OMICRON, YELLOWRIDGE + WATSON and possibly others are all in situations where their work would impact the work of others.

As far as talking to trades workers or even trades contractors, the former typically have no understanding of who is who, and even the company owners often don’t really have a solid understanding of that. Rumours are rampant on any job site, more on some than on others.

I do not need anything from the internet in order to be confident that I could accept blaming Yellowridge. I need to talk to someone like you in private to make a determination of who should be assigned “blame”. This is obviously not the forum to do so.

The reason I take this position on your view of Yellowridge is because in my past life I used to certify project substantial completion. As a result, I was cognizant of project delays and incomplete work and especially who was responsible for it.