Brian for Mayor!

I wish people would stop giving this guy a soapbox to stand on. This self-congratulatory nonsense is pretty hypocritical as far as I’m concern. The only guy on council convicted of breaching the public trust is going to give lessons about following proper protocol? That’s rich. Council was wrong, no two ways about that, and we’re all going to have to pay for that lesson now, but Skakun should keep his yap shut.

Why this guy is still a councilor is beyond me (only in freaking PG could this be), because he is the worst of them all, and none of them set the bar very high from where I’m standing.

Now they better revisit that 20 suite condo they pushed through for the guest crescent area.

Because Skakun is easy to find. Just go to the court house to chat with him.

Well said Brian…Has anyone seen the new BBK Bottle Depot? It looks totally out of place, the road to service it is totally inadequate. That building should never have been built there. Where are the patrons going to park their cars to unload, the street? That is a congested area as it is, can you imagine once that “BIGGER” facility gets up and running the congestion then! That’s what happens when you don’t stick to the plan…That building is just as out of place as Ms. Green is in the Mayor’s seat. Yikes are we ever in trouble in this City!

Karjai ….. The City gave Brian a soap box to stand on many times…..

In my eyes, Brian made one mistake when he failed to remove the names from the document he made public. Had he removed those names, he would not have breached the privacy legislation and would have properly called the City to task with respect to the alleged harassment situation at the RCMP place of work, a situation we are now starting to learn was allegedly not uncommon in RCMP workplaces in BC.

Yes, he would have breached the ethical confidence he swore to, but ethics and law are separate issues.

The Haldi Road case was, in my opinion, not the only case of this City’s misunderstanding of the intent of the OCP and the authority those documents have in municipal zoning matters in this Province. They are not a document to be toyed with.

We have to remember that not everyone who we elect is an expert in these matters. In fact, far from it.

I expect the primary expertise to reside with those in the planning department and, in my opinion, they have given the wrong direction over many decades. It goes beyond individuals and goes to a mindset that is carried forward from one administration to another and one Council to another.

Both parts of our City government need to take some awareness raising, otherwise this attitude will continue to persist in this City.

Cheetos is absolutely right about the Hollandia case, which was not dissimilar to the Haldi Rd. case in my opinion. In fact, if someone really wanted to, they could take the City to court over that one as well. For a while it looked like that was going to happen, but it may be that there was no money there for that, or the legalities involved in that may be a bit different.

I am not sure what the OCP said about that part of the City. If this was taken to court, it does not matter whether the building is half way up. If it is shown that an error was made, the building can be torn down and the City can battle it out as to who pays for it. That would not be a unique case in Canada.

Well Gus you said it all. The City is forever changing the OCP. Its time they were shown what an ocp really is.
Cheers

Gus wrote: “We have to remember that not everyone who we elect is an expert in these matters. In fact, far from it.”

The people of the Haldi area are not experts in these matters either. They informed themselves and then went to a lawyer.

I have a question to council – had any of you read the documents before you were elected? What about after you were elected?

After reviewing the city tapes months go, I am till appalled by Roger’s and Wilbur’s comments after Haldi’s lawyer advised them.

There is a mindset – you can’t fight city hall…..

Kuddos to Haldi Road they stood up for what they believe is right – something that is lacking in our city…

I do hope people get the point of why they went to court to fight the city on what they believe was not right – they did not fight against a womens centre.

Karjai stated… “Why this guy is still a councilor is beyond me”…

He’s still a councilor because his votes beat out the other ones… and that means a LOT of people voted for him… including me!

He’s not afraid to stand up for residents of PG and he’s done that time and time again.

All of us have done thngs that other people may not agree with in life… but that’s life. I fully supported him through EVERYTHING!

If you don’t like him just don’t vote for him next time. Of course that leaves everyone else voting FOR him… and then he’ll be Mayor.

Well done Mr. Skakun.

Brian may not make perfect decisions but he makes decisions based o what he believes. How many other councillors or our Mayor do anything but collect the cheque. A for effort!

newtechguy wrote: “I do hope people get the point of why they went to court to fight the city on what they believe was not right – they did not fight against a womens centre.”

100% agreement with the last part of the statement.

I have seen this time and time again in this community, whether it is an environmental issue or a social issue or both. When I say that, I do not mean to imply that this community is unique in that mindset being present.

BTW, I find that media such as newspapers really do not help changing that mindset. With the written media especially moving more to the tabloid content format, we are getting less help from those who should know better to educate this community.

There are far too many people who do not understand the concept of right facility, wrong location.

When I try to deal with that notion in cases I have been involved in, they keep on invoking the NIMBY attitude.

There are too many who do not have the capacity to think beyond that and thus move the issue very quickly into the uninformed self righteous part of their brain.

Once one recognizes that one is fighting a losing battle trying to convince those individuals, the best tactic is to simply move on and recognize that is the way part of the population thinks.

“We have to remember that not everyone who we elect is an expert in these matters. In fact, far from it.”

The mayor and councillors are not medical experts, yet they make the decision to continue tap water fluoridation in Prince George – ignoring the fact that 98% of the people living in B.C. are not being subjected to this practice anymore or never have been, regardless of what the natural concentration of naturally occurring fluoride is in their water.

Our water is being fluoridated with hydrofluorosilicic acid, a chemical fluoride obtained from the wet scrubbers of the phosphate fertilizer industry. It is not natural and it is polluted with mercury, cadmium, lead and arsenic.

So far the law seems to protect a council from being held liable for long term health damages. That may not be the case in the near future when a lawsuit will determine otherwise.

Wonder why the other 98% don’t like to have that sword hanging over them.

It’s too bad more city councillors didn’t demonstrate the good common sense shown by Brian Skakun on this issue. Now if you could just get that fluoride out of the water you’d get a few more supporters, and save the city another expensive lawsuit.

Well its one lawsuite down and just 28 more to go.
Cheers

Brian Skakun is a farse! all you sheep out there that buy into his BS deserve to have him. I hope he does run for Mayor. It will will be a catastrophe for this city and you will have brought it on to yourself.

Jim13135:”Now if you could just get that fluoride out of the water you’d get a few more supporters, and save the city another expensive lawsuit.”

For sure! The council is certainly not 100% supportive of continued fluoridation!

It’s definitely not justifiable anymore! All the evidence is in! Having it in toothpaste is already an option! Most toothpastes are made with fluoride. Brushing with it brings it in contact with the teeth. Drinking it and showering with fluoridated water does absolutely nothing additional for teeth and it is detrimentally harmful to the rest of the body!

Brian for mayor!!

Come on…lets ban together and get rid of this stuff in our water….we can do it if we push enough, right?

Come on Brian, get our water safe, please..like the rest of B.C.

All the studies they have done recently to do with flouride in the drinking water, cannot all be a farce. I have studied it myself, and an not happy about drinking this water anymore. I feel that I may be making myself sick when I drink it. That is very sad.

Not only did Brian speak out about the conflict of the OCP at 3rd reading, but he also said that this rezoning shouldn’t go past 1st and 2nd reading. Basserman,Krause and Hall were the only other councillors that opposed this rezoning. IMO, Hall must have been the only new councillor that educated himself on this in order to vote this way. All the info that Stewart presented to court, was presented to council at 3rd reading, and council chose to ignore it. In fact, when Stewart pointed out that parts of the urban OCP were applied to the rural setting,the response of planners were, “They are only headings.” hmmmm and how much do they get paid? Haldi road residents realized “things” were not right about this project from the beginning. They received verbal attacks not only from the public but from the citizen paper when they published their Nimby article. The community knew the truth and believed that justice would prevail. Way to go Haldi Road Residents!!

soxmalone must have lost some money on this deal? Why else would there be so much animosity directed at one single city councillor? It takes a majority vote to make things happen and it sounds like Krause and Hall were siding with Brian on this one?

This is for the resident conspiracy theorists.

Health Canada statement on fluoride in drinking water (June 23, 2011):

“Health Canada continues to strongly support water fluoridation as a safe, effective and cost effective public health measure to help prevent dental cavities.”

“The safety and efficacy of water fluoridation has been frequently studied and continues to be supported by current science, and the beneficial effects of fluoride in the prevention of dental cavities have been well documented in scientific literature. “

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/ftr-ati/_2011/2011_82-eng.php

And from the US Dept. of Health:

“One of water fluoridation’s biggest advantages is that it benefits all residents of a community—at home, work, school, or play,” said HHS Assistant Secretary for Health Howard K. Koh, MD, MPH. “Today’s announcement is part of our ongoing support of appropriate fluoridation for community water systems, and its effectiveness in preventing tooth decay throughout one’s lifetime.”

http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2011pres/01/20110107a.html

How good is the fluoride for your lawn? On your laundry? In your bath water? If its so good why have so many communities stopped using it?

Since there is adequate fluoride in toothpaste why spend money on it to just flush down the toilet?

IMO the upper management of PG should be fired without severance for misleading the public. This court case should be cited in their dismissal.

On the matter of fluoride in the water… one wonders if city management has an ulterior motive?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/harvard-study-finds-fluoride-lowers-iq-published-in-federal-govt-journal-2012-07-24

Harvard Study Finds Fluoride Lowers IQ – Published in Federal Gov’t Journal

Drink up Johnny…..

They triple the amount in the days leading up to elections.

Aw, the conspiracy theorists don’t like me very much.

Brian Skakun in a joke. He has some of you fooled so so badly. It is rumoured that Brian Skakun loves fluoride!

FLOURIDE!!!!!! I love Fluoride!!!!!

Who knows, maybe it is causing more than just a low IQ with our kids. There are a lot of new diseases with kids now that wasen’t much of years ago.

IMHO, the flouride issue shouldn’t even be about whether it is good for you or not. That topic can be debated and it likely depends on which science you read, how much tap water you ingest, how much flouride you get from other sources, etc.

I think the issue comes down to whether the City of PG should have the authority to mandate that you drink it. Unless they are prepared to purchase bottled water for people that choose not to drink it, then perhaps they shouldn’t have that power.

NMG, the city has been given authority by an act of the legislature (eliminating the legal requirement for a referendum) introduced with the assistance and at the initiative of then MLAs Boone and Ramsey.

Fluoride is in the canned and prepared food you buy, in the teflon of non-stick cookware, in toothpaste and a myriad of other sources. There is not the slightest need to add it to drinking water as it never touches the surface of teeth when you pour the tap water down your throat!

JohnnyBelt typically ignores the subjects of civil rights, ethics and morals by endorsing mass medication of a water supply. Apparently these main features of our democracy can be readily abused!

Communist countries practiced it when the PARTY ordered it to be put into tap water. The comrades had no rights to object to it or even voice a contrary opinion – off to the Gulag!

This is CANADA, JB! If YOU want to add chemical fluoride to your tap water- go ahead, get some pills from the pharmacy! Pharmacies do sell them!

I have a right to clean, unpolluted fluoride free water! I don’t care how many links you post – 98% of B.C. does NOT add fluoride to water! Living in a non-Gulag society I have every right to speak up and demand that they put an end to medicating the water I bathe with and that I am expected to drink!

Presently I am paying the city $325.48 per year for the water that comes to my house! I am a customer who PAYS for the water! As a paying consumer I have a right to expect clean water, not polluted with an effluent chemical from the phosphate fertilizer industry.

Whatever I add to MY water later is my own personal business, be it fluoride, statin drugs or warfarin, aspirin or whatever! YOU have the same right to choose YOUR medication or poison!

Eagleone, thanks for posting the link to the Harvard Study! Those who are still not impressed have already been exposed to too much fluoride during their lifetime – the body can excrete only about half the stuff you put into it, the rest accumulates over time in bones, thyroids, kidneys and other organs!

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/sledhed/396112_305047306260566_785783080_n.jpg

This is very interesting Dragonmaster!! Now I REALLY DON’T WANT TO DRINK OUR WATER!!!

“Harvard Study Finds Fluoride Lowers IQ – Published in Federal Gov’t Journal”

They must have studied the people who post on 250 … ;-)

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/oct/06/critics-water-fluoridation/truth-about-fluoride-doesnt-include-nazi-myth

Bloody easy to dupe people on here, right Dragonmasrter.

I was right. Harvard did its study in PG using the group that posts on 250 as the sample.

Skakun is quoted as saying: “What happened, we ended up in court and lost”

Which brings me to another associated matter.

I would like to see a record of legal costs for this City, the number of cases they had to respond to and how many of them they defended successfully at what cost and how much the ones they lost cost us.

I would also like to see the number of cases the City initiated and the same associated costs for those.

I think we have a right to know that information. I believe that it is actually a metric by which the quality of administration/governance from city to city can be compared.

I sure do miss having a quality, award winning, investigative reporter at our newspaper.

It still would not produce a more specicic metric as most people cannot afford to take city hall to court.

http://www.cancer.ca/British%20Columbia-Yukon/Prevention/Staying%20informed/Community%20Right%20to%20Know.aspx?sc_lang=en&r=1

The Canadian Cancer Society website has the theme: Right To Know.

It is all about getting to know harmful potentially cancer causing substances in our environment. Air, food and water.

It is about how to avoid them, alternatives, choices and so forth. Each of us must become more informed and more careful about what we eat and drink.

The addition of a chemical drug (industrial grade fluoride) which contains many of the substances we are urged to avoid (arsenic, lead, cadmium, mercury…) is bucking the efforts of the Canadian Cancer Society which are focussed on Prevention!

None of the above mentioned has a *safe* level of tolerance! The best and only safe approach is to NOT add any of them to one of the basics of life: WATER!

In my opinion the city is wrong when it still supports water fluoridation for all city residents. It flies in the face of efforts to improve our health! It should also not be practiced in a city which is aboutto open the doors of a new cancer clinic!

Too bad city officials are not in the know and make the obvious connection!

BTW, I do not share ANY conspiracy theories posted by some about water fluoridation! I stick to proven, plain and simple scientific facts in respect to the problems with mass medication via tap water fluoridation!

Were it actually true that Stalin, Hitler and other potentates did in fact use water fluoridation on uninformed camp inmates without their consent – all Health Authorities would have come down from their high arrogant horses decades ago and admitted that their endorsement of fluoridation seemed like a good idea at the start but has now proven to be a hazard and totally unnecessary.

Perhaps the threat of lawsuits is the skeleton in the closet?

“It still would not produce a more specicic metric as most people cannot afford to take city hall to court.”

I agee with you in one way. However, while that is certainly a barrier, it is the same barrier in every community.

I think the bigger barrier is not knowing that the City can be taken to court over a land use issue and the knowledge it takes to understand that the City acted ultra vires (outside their authority)

Again, if we had a municipal board, that would remove some of that barrier.

I mean, it is not exactly written anywhere that such a thing is allowed. I think Cities should be forced by the province to to state this to anyone who is potentially involved.

For example, when the Ministry of Environment posts a notice that a permit has been issue to deposit toxin into the air, as an example, that notice has a notice included that it may be appealed within a certain timeframe and how to find out how it is done.

THAT is the way it should be even though one goes through an administrative hearing process and the other through a civil court process.

Thanks for the link Gus. I’m sure some story pulled from the files of some backwater Florida newspaper are sure to be proof positive because you posted it here where all the braindead post.

You’re a very special person Gus. You already knew that though didn’t you?

tit for tat, Dragomaster …. if you do not want to listen to more plausible stuff, the only way to tackle it is to post an opposite opinion from some similar source ……….

The topic of fluoride conspiracies of past or present dictators is not exactly a popular one which would get a reporter at the NY times all excited, is it now?

Of course, I am not too sure why you would call the Miami Herald a backwater newspaper. I would not be surprised if there were more Jewish people reading that paper than all there are Jewish people reading all the newspapers in BC. So, we got a pretty tough audience there to scrutinize the truth-o-meter. ;-)

PG: “Were it actually true that Stalin, Hitler and other potentates did in fact use water fluoridation on uninformed camp inmates without their consent – all Health Authorities would have come down from their high arrogant horses decades ago and admitted that their endorsement of fluoridation seemed like a good idea at the start but has now proven to be a hazard and totally unnecessary.”

That story came about, started by the fluoride conspiracists to get more people on their side when they couldn’t rely on science. It’s gotta be tough to have a position which contradicts pretty much every major health authority everywhere in the world.

Does the Municipal Board of BC not have all the municipalities in the province as members? One would think that the Municipal Board would be looking at this and perhaps lobbying the province in changes of the provincial law in regards to OCP’s…….changes should be made to the province’s OCP legislation requiring cities to spell out exactly what is and is not allowed in each area so all are on the same page. Not on the whim…..

What was I thinking…. The municipality board may not necessarily be for the citizens but for their own members – the municipalities…..? They may have been against the OCP Legislation in the first place? Guess it all comes down to accountability………

JB:”It’s gotta be tough to have a position which contradicts pretty much every major health authority everywhere in the world.”

What a crock of ignorance! Artificial water fluoridation is banned in all countries (everywhere in the world!!!) except in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the USA.

It is banned (after major health authorities examined the health, moral and ethical aspects of chemical fluoride addition to tap water!!!) in for instance:

Sweden
Finland
Norway
Switzerland
Austria
Japan
China
Germany
Netherlands
etc, etc.

You are just shooting from the hip and you just shot yourself in the foot and it isn’t the first time! Enjoy your fluoride, you are just trying to be a pain in the butt!

Obviously YOUR world is Prince George and its immediate surroundings! Have you ever been to Williams Lake, B.C.? It’s south from here and there the people voted last fall by a ratio of 3 to 1 in a democratic referendum to put a stop to their artificial water fluoridation! The city gave them a CHOICE!

The world! OMG!

From the World Health Organization:

“Water fluoridation in low fluoride-containing water supplies helps to maintain optimal dental tissue development and dental enamel resistance against caries attack during the entire life span. Fluoride in drinking water acts mainly through its retention in dental plaque and saliva. Frequent consumption of drinking water and products made with fluoridated water maintain intra-oral fluoride levels. People of all ages, including the elderly, benefit from community water fluoridation.”

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/oralhealth/en/index2.html

From the Water Fluoridation Controversy Wikipedia page:

“The weight of the scientific evidence have found that at the dosage recommended for water fluoridation, the only clear adverse effect is dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of children’s teeth during tooth development. This effect is mildly cosmetic and is unlikely to represent any real effect on public health.[8] Despite opponents’ concerns, water fluoridation has been effective at reducing cavities in both children and adults.”

“Opposition to fluoridation has existed since its initiation in the 1940s.[1] During the 1950s and 1960s, some opponents of water fluoridation suggested that fluoridation was a communist plot to undermine public health.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy

I made an error. It is not the Municpality Board where the cities are members – but the “The Union of British Columbia Municipalities”

We desperately need a Municipality Board for the people….

Forgot – I believe the Municipality Board was voted against by our city at The Union of British Columbia Municipalities meeting recently….

Another good page which debunks a lot of the claims made.

“You’ll also hear the claim that fluoridation has been banned in Europe. This is also completely untrue. In Europe it’s more common to fluoridate salt instead of water, thus bringing the same benefits via a different delivery method.”

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4058

From the link above:

“Let’s turn our eye onto one such community, Arcata, an idyllic coastal hamlet in northern California, that recently won this battle after a divisive and painful fight in the newspapers and in city hall. A principal champion of the science behind fluoridation is Kevin Hoover, editor of the Arcata Eye newspaper. In answering the flood of anti-fluoridation scare tactics, Hoover said:

There are no known victims. If there was a problem with municipal fluoridation, wouldn’t we have at least a few people who showed some signs of harm after 44 years? All the anti-fluoride people could say was that the victims are “undiagnosed,” but not why. They produced no victims, just lots of dubious statistics and horror stories with no provenance.”

JB, the WHO and “every major health authority everywhere in the world” are two completely different things! BTW, the WHO just recently changed its previously unshakeable position on mercury/silver amalgam fillings for teeth. It is now advising all dental professionals to substitude safer white fillings for teeth.

So I expect the WHO eventually (when faced with the overwhelming scientific evidence) to also make a ruling advising against artificial water fluoridation! Like always these colossal government agencies are usually years behind what scientists and the public has known for years.

You are posting a lot of links! When I posted some links you called them spam and me a spammer!

I don’t expect you to apologize for that.

I didn’t start the fluoride discussion, you did (again). From now on, if you start the fluoride discussion in any other thread, I will be more than happy to post my links as well.

Have a nice day.

I am simply demanding that I be allowed to join the 98% of B.C. residents which either never had artificial water fluoridation or which have stopped it in the last few years!

Not an unreasonable request! And it won’t cost the city of PG one cent!

Here is a list of Canadian cities which have STOPPED fluoridation in the last two decades:

Okotoks, Alberta – 23-April-2012 Tecumseh, Ontario March 13, 2012
Wynyard, Saskatchewan – March 1, 2012
Amherstburg, Ontario – February 6,
2012 Moncton, New Brunswick – December 19, 2011 Dieppe, New Brunswick– December
12, 2011 -Lake Cowichan, British Columbia –November 19, 2011, -Williams
Lake, British Columbia –November 19, 2011 Lakeshore, Ontario – October
31, 2011 -Churchill, Manitoba – October 16, 2011 -Slave Lake, Alberta –
September 12, 2011 Taber, Alberta – July 20, 2011 -Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan –
July 4, 2011 Calgary, Alberta – February 8, 2011 -Vercheres, Quebec – February
7, 2011 Athabaska, Alberta – November 1, 2010 – Waterloo, St. Jacobs, Elmira,
Ontario– October 25, 2010 Gatineau, Quebec – May 5, 2010 -Thunder Bay, Ontario –
July 21, 2009 Cranberry Portage, Manitoba – January 1, 2009 Drayton Valley,
Alberta – December 31, 2008 Kingston, Ontario (Canadian Forces Base) – May 2008
Dryden, Ontario – April 2008 Quebec City, Quebec – April 1, 2008 Region of
Niagara, Ontario – January 24, 2008 Golden, British Columbia – November
19, 2005 Burns Lake, British Columbia – June 25, 2003 Dutton-Dunwich,
Ontario – June 2003 West Elgin, Ontario – June 2003 Cobalt, Ontario – December
11, 2001 Kamloops, British Columbia – October 13, 2001 -Whitehorse,
Yukon – July 28, -1998 Kitimat, British Columbia – March 1998 -Kelowna,
British Columbia – November 16, 1996 Campbell River, British
Columbia – April 1993 Port Hardy, British Columbia –November 1993
Squamish, British Columbia – November 1993 Comox-Courtenay,
British Columbia –February 1992…etc.

Let’s add PG to this list! Let’s be cautious and respectful of the rights of our fellow citizens!

JB, you do as you please! That’s what you have been doing all along anyways!

The thing about fluoride, all arguments for or against aside, is it should be individual choice whether or not to dose up with it.

The medical community will tell you a little alcohol every day has health benefits too, and they don’t put any of that in the city water. :-).

Let’s call the anti-fluoride movement what it is… fear mongering.

JB:”In Europe it’s more common to fluoridate salt instead of water,…”

Almost every time you make a comment it works to my advantage! Sure one can buy (in Europe) salt with fluoride in it! Big deal! For those who don’t want to take in fluoride there is the CHOICE to buy UNFLUORIDATED table salt! They have a choice, man! If the city puts fluoride in the tap water, there is NO CHOICE! What is so hard to understand about that? Where am I going to get my water from to bathe with, to shower with?

Why are there different kinds of table salt on the shelves of grocery stores? Iodized and NOT iodized salt? The consumer has a CHOICE!

If you have your way one of the products will be removed! Heaven forbid a person has a CHOICE!

Please keep your comments coming, I really get a kick out of them – they are so quaint!

Let’s make a deal: The city of PG stops tap water fluoridation and lobbies the Health Authority NH to mandate that stores carry table salt with fluoride INSTEAD!

Problem solved! Looks like the Europeans have found the perfect solution – a solution which gives consumers a democratic CHOICE!

BTW, there is a pharmaceutical food grade fluoride available. It costs as much as ten times what the industrial waste product fluoride costs, the stuff our city puts in our tap water! Toothpaste has the pharmaceutical grade fluoride, I suspect that table salt would require fluoride of a pure grade as well – not the junk which is polluted with traces of mercury, cadmium, arsenic, lead and eleven other harmful substances.

“Almost every time you make a comment it works to my advantage! Sure one can buy (in Europe) salt with fluoride in it!”

Hate to tell you this, but just about every processed food has salt in it, whether you add it after the fact or not. It’s getting to the populace.

“Let’s make a deal: The city of PG stops tap water fluoridation and lobbies the Health Authority NH to mandate that stores carry table salt with fluoride INSTEAD!”

Let’s make a deal, you stop fear mongering and I won’t post these pesky scientific links which refute everything you say.

Really?

I saw 63 posts, thought something must be interesting with the Haldi Road case. What did I get?

A floride debate and a pissing match between Gus and Dragonmaster?

I wonder if the Haldi Road residents win this case, whose Neighborhood will they be shopping in next?? What happened to the Lake project that M.C. was involved in ?? A project like this one should not be in any Residential Neighborhood .

“a little alcohol every day has health benefits too, and they don’t put any of that in the city water”

I noticed that as soon as I got here …. so I have had to add it ever since.

“Let’s make a deal, you stop fear mongering and I won’t post these pesky scientific links which refute everything you say.”

The truth is often uncomfortable for some people to face! For whatever reason (perhaps selling hydrofluorosilicic acid) they feel uneasy and perhaps the only thing they can think of is fearmongering!

Actually its truthmongering! WHY should I tolerate having somebody medicate my water with a poisonous chemical – without my consent and permission?

98% of the residents of B.C. don’t have that problem with their water!

Table salt in Canada does not have chemical effluent fluoride added to it! Your comment is irrevelant.

Besides, I support the Cancer Society financially, I am a recent cancer survivor, I try to heed the advice of the CCS in respect to every avoidable kind of intentional pollution. The city prevents me from achieving my goal to avoid cancer and other disease attributable to mankind’s disregard and folly! This oncludes my exchange of comments with you, JB! You are way off base and you know it!

My resolve to rid my city supplied water of this intentional harmful medication gets stronger as time goes by! I will be doing the residents of this city a big service if I persist! Already parents are being officially warned NEVER to prepare baby formula with fluoridated city tap water! We all know what comes next – it’s not a question IF the fluoridation will stop, but only WHEN!

From the Canadian Cancer Society Webpage:

Canadian Cancer Society perspective

“On the basis of current evidence, it appears unlikely that water fluoridation increases the risk of cancer, including osteosarcoma, in humans. At the same time, we know that there are many benefits to water fluoridation, especially for people who have less access to dental care. We will continue to watch this area of research and update our information as it becomes available.”

http://www.cancer.ca/Canada-wide/About%20cancer/Cancer%20myths/Fluoride%20in%20water.aspx?sc_lang=EN

So, PG, How many more reputable sources are you going to ignore? Is this one another one?

PG: “This concludes my exchange of comments with you, JB!”

Yes, it is a good idea to quit while you’re way behind.

I’ll be watching for more of your fear mongering in the future PG.

Gus:”…a little alcohol every day has health benefits too, and they don’t put any of that in the city water”

How about statin drugs? The drug manufacturers recommend that EVERYBODY would benefit from those if taken daily!
How about the blood thinner Warfarin! Can diabetes be controlled by adding something to the water? It’s a convenient method and perhaps it will take years for the unlucky saps to find out that it’s in the water and that it has caused other illnesses!

Perfect!

Hydrofluorosilicic acid, also known as hexafluorosilicic acid has no known health benefits, at least red wine does!