What is so hard to understand? NO means NO…

Apparently Enbridge’s own published data shows that it had over 700 spills and leaks in the last decade.

Isn’t the Internet a great invention – before its arrival people were left mostly in the dark about most issues that REALLY mattered!

Now – more power to the people!

and YES means YES … they will get their pipeline. The politicians are just giving us smoke & mirrors to make us feel all warm & fuzzy…Enbridge will get their pipeline. Money talks & they’ve got lots to line the pockets of whoever it takes.

And on the 19th, in George Bushes words, the “The mother of all wars” will start.

Not making me all warm and fuzzy inside mythoughts. The environmental review can’t possibly be done in time because Harper cut jobs in that sector. So if they try a push it through there will protests like this province has never seen before.

The link attached speaks to ow Enbridge cleans up its spills. This is what they did in Kalamazoo where peopel could see what they did. Imagine what they would do in the wilderness where nobody would see them.

http://www.victoriagasprices.com/news/The_Horrifying_Effects_of_a_Canadian_Tar_Sands_Oil_Spill/60577_509363/index.aspx

http://www.victoriagasprices.com/news/The_Horrifying_Effects_of_a_Canadian_Tar_Sands_Oil_Spill/60577_509363/index.aspx

(http://www.victoriagasprices.com/news/The_Horrifying_Effects_of_a_Canadian_Tar_Sands_Oil_Spill/60577_509363/index.aspx)

I think mythoughts is right. Enough money will get the native bands on board, as well as the municipalities that have spoken out. When all is said it will be a group of student hippies and maybe ten 0250 posters standing in protest. Oh, and unlike a native blockade, the police will just show up and arrest you. Sorry to sound bleak…

interceptor, mythoughts et al…

You both elude to FNs being bought off…like everyone else, maybe some(FNs) are… as rumoured to be, but, there are other FNs that have stated they will not be part of the 10% ownership group, that Enbridge is touting…this pipedream project will end up in court, by those FNs that have not and will not be bought off…now or later…the court case will be based on the infringement of those FN’s rights and title because of the lack of consultation. History shows, in this country, when that argument is used, FNs win…the compromise is too big for those FNs that oppose this ill-fated project.

The bitumen should be refined in Alberta or wherever it makes economic sense, in this country, for our domestic use and then internationally.

FNs in Alberta wanted to do this very idea, with a reputatable Nexen Inc Executive, but yet rejected…they should continue to pursue it…

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/alberta-rejects-first-nations-refinery-as-too-risky/article4096107/

I dont want to start any arguements or anything so comment however you like, make fun of my grammer, i dont care. I will read them with constructive critisism. Everyone that has a problem with this pipeline. If you dont want to take the risk of running this pipeline then you had better get the horse out to ride to work and start chopping trees for heat. Ive heard everything from just dont do it to send it back to ontario to “just find another way”. But i ask what other way is there? Pipe it to ontario. Is saskatchewan, or manitobas ecosystems worth any less then bc? Is the atlantic worth more then the pacific? Just because we dont get our water from there or they dont have the salmon runs we do does not mean there not important to this world. The world is bigger then bc and a spill over there is just as bad as a spill in bc, it may just effect other areas of our lives. Find a different way to transport it. Train is just as dangerous if not more dangerous then the pipeline with there recent record and to truck the same amount you would need a solid line of trucks from alberta to bc, i cant even fathom what that would cost. Keep it all in canada. Well unfortunately we supply a lot of countrys with oil, to completely cut them off would make a lot of shortages in certain areas and being that oil is a globally traded, speculative driven market, that would drive the price up to unheard of levels everywhere. Nevermind the companies in canada wouldnt make any money as we wouldnt use everything they produce so they would want the price higher so they could still make there billions and then lay a bunch of people off to curb production.

Also people that are worried about the environment should go to a mine or the tar sands, see what thats doing to the environment. What about all the dams weve constructed? That may not have effected fish but what about anything that was living there. Where are these people drawing there lines? Im not saying we should turn a blind eye to this but i think people need to be more open to working with this to keep our world moving. We are dependent on these things to live. We have gotten comfortable with our a/c and lights and tvs and cars and dont forget they make plastics from petroleum products. Oil doesnt just effect our gas markets, it has its webs into everything. Even beauty products rely on it. If we dont like the route, maybe theres a better path, maybe theres some more saftey things they can look at, msybe they can go to a different inlet, but flat out no isnt the answer. Just my 2 cents.

Silverback – I agree with you and please do not take my comment as racist. I do not intend it as such, especially since it is my heritage as well. I more meant that enough money can change anyones mind: FN, municipalities, WWF, heck I bet enough money would have David Suzuki say that the pipeline is good…

NoWay: “The environmental review can’t possibly be done in time because Harper cut jobs in that sector. So if they try a push it through there will protests like this province has never seen before.”

The review has already been going on for years. As for protests, I’ll believe it when I see it. Even the ‘hated’ HST only drew a handful of people to a local rally. When it comes to getting off the computer and doing something, people are all talk.

interceptor – racist? not at all interpreted that way…with that said…i stand by my comment…you better be rich,lol…with all those you mentioned…that’s quite a stretch of a bet…

“Even the ‘hated’ HST only drew a handful of people to a local rally” .. after it was defeated already…why would anyone feel the need to go to a rally for something they already won?

It was before the vote.

I have a problem with wealthy companies or chief executives that go about making the wrong decisions about what to do with a project and how to execute it. For example the northern gateway pipeline can be built to transport REFINED OIL as it is less of a detrament to the environment and I am sure it would be more acceptable by all concearned and Canada would have more employment refiningv the oil. Because the Chinese stand to loose the refining cost is no reason to polute British Columbia. If the tar sands wants to absorb a loss and transfer the cost of refining Canadian oil and ship their refined oil to the Chinese that is not a problem to BCrs’.

Regardless, I don’t see much value in going to a rally when the evidence was pretty overwelming that the vast majority of voters in BC did not want the HST and the petition was to garner the needed signatures easily. The pipeline issue is totally unrelated and a different method is being used to push it through. You are comparing apples to oysters, they don’t even belong in the same food group they are so different.

Why the big rush to put this through? This is a big decision for the citizen’s of B.C.
If this is such a good deal for B.C. then let’s wait till the next Government tells us their take is on this matter. Is this a Liberal promise that has to be fulfilled before 2013? I believe that there is an underlying cause for this line, that just has not quite come out yet, and B.C. should take it’s time in any and all decision’s that this Liberal Government has gotten us into, as they haven’t got a very good track record themselves. Just

http://www.everydaymoney.ca/2012/08/enbridge-gets-caught-altering-map.html

“Enbridge Caught Altering Map”

“The Polaris Institute, a public interest research and advocacy organization, reports that, according to Enbridge’s own data, between 1999 and 2000, the company experienced 804 spills that released 161,475 barrels of hydrocarbons into the environment.”

One year 804 spills. Ouch!

@JohnnyB

Here is the link for ya JohnnyB. There isn’t enough scientists to complete the enviromental review in time.

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/northern-gateway-review-hobbled-by-budget-cuts-critics-say-1

Kind of makes you wonder what kind of a review we are going to get.

Yes, as we all know, the government is the model of efficiency. You know the system needs an overhaul when the environmental review takes five times as long as it takes to finish the project.

Did you read the article JohnnyB? I’m assuming you didn’t.

I did. Of course, they are going to say staff cuts are to blame. When you’re a big inefficient and bureaucratic government department, it doesn’t matter what the staff levels are.

I recommend reading the story that forward thinker posted a link to. There is information in the story apparently provided by a former employee of a company retained to assist with clean up of the Michigan dil-bit spill. This person quit his employment and turned whistle blower to alert people of the shoddy and dishonest means that Enbridge and their clean up contractors resorted to in order to make it look like the dil-bit had been cleaned up.
All assurances by Enbridge relating to their response to a spill should be weighed against a molecule from a grain of salt. What reason do we have to assume that Enbridge et. al. would react any differently to a future oil spill from their N. Gateway line than they did in Michigan? After two years by the way, the clean up in Michigan is not complete.
metalman.