Impatient bastard causing a terrible accident

Why is it that the innocent always die ?

How do you know the passenger was innocent? He/she may have been the one telling the driver he/she was going to be late for an appointment. Strange the passenger was killed and the others had only minor injuries. Perhaps the passenger was not wearing a seat belt? Perhaps the passenger’s airbag did not deploy? Perhaps the passenger’s airbag did deploy and caused the injury.

We really do not know, do we?

We also do not know whether the tow truck was operating in a safe manner. One does not just block a highway lane without preparing the site properly in both directions, especially if it is not an emergency.

Gus… And everyone else…the lane wasn’t closed the truck had signs up wasn’t blocking traffic and was doing everything safely

Gus… And everyone else…the lane wasn’t closed the truck had signs up wasn’t blocking traffic and was doing everything safely

Gus, if you read the story, the deceased was in the truck that was hit by the impatient moron. Pay attention and don’t question the dead, they definitely do not deserve it, especially for one to go, in such a horrific manner.

Read it again littleone. The passenger was in the southbound pickup that collided with the northbound truck. The southbound driver killed his own passenger. The idiot should go to jail!

Once again the 250 jump the gun crowd is judge and jury and sends another person to the gallows.

Maybe leave the job of justice to those who are able to do it properly.

So tell me AAV …..

here we have a story about a collision ….

so why post at all …

isn’t it human nature to comment …. and to observe different things ….

and even though there are only 179 words, people cannot get the facts straight because it is 179 words too many …..

so we should all write RIP and be done with it?

why publish the story at all and allow comments? …… maybe because the comments are the real story? …. and the real “social” part of the “social media”? … and only when there are varying opinions does it get interesting?

I think too many people miss the purpose of this kind of medium and site …. it is not about telling a story ….. it is about discussing the story ….. there is a word for it … a blog … short for web log …. consisting of discrete entries called posts …. we all blog (verb) by adding content

of course, it gets rather dull after a while since the responses are very predictable … the cast of characters remain the same over the short term …. and if one keeps track of names, one knows that eventually someone we know will kick in and make a comment which is as predictable as the dawn of a new day.

;-)

I am trying to match “the lane wasn’t closed the truck had signs up wasn’t blocking traffic and was doing everything safely”

with “Police say a tow truck was working in the area on an unrelated matter, causing southbound traffic to come to a halt” …. and am having a difficult time understanding why people were stopped when the tow truck was not blocking traffic.

I have never seen anyone stop when an “emergency” or other similar vehicle was off the highway, well onto a shoulder or pull out area. They generally slow down, epsecially now that it has been created as a regulation.

So why were there cars stopped in this case? What was unique in this case and would a reasonable and diligent person have known that traffic would come to a halt, and would a reasonable and diligent person have kept an eye out while working that cars were, in fact, stopped so that they would take action in that case to make sure that the road was not blocked.

Sure Gus, post away. But IN MY OPINION it is rather stupid to convict somebody based on a few fragments of a poorly edited news story. Somebody died. Many things happened. 250’ers bring out the tar and feathers.

As for why traffic may have been blocked and the differences being discussed? A very simple theory:

Have you EVER come across an incident on the highway with emergency vehicles attending that people haven’t had to slow way down and rubber neck? Many times other drives slow down to as little as 5 kmph so they can get as good a view of the carnage as possible whether there is any blockage in their lane or not. This usually causes a backup in traffic.

As we all know its the law to slow down to 70 kph when an emergency vehicle has its flashers on when your traveling down the highway.

The tow truck was working in the area…but it had no need to block a lane…why people actually stopped…well you’ll have to ask Them…there was no one telling them they had to…there were two complete lanes of traffic open…

“of course, it gets rather dull after a while since the responses are very predictable … the cast of characters remain the same over the short term …. and if one keeps track of names, one knows that eventually someone we know will kick in and make a comment which is as predictable as the dawn of a new day.”

Write brighter comments then Gus! :)

You are absolutely right AAV. Charge the guy going north in the northbound lane for being there. How dare he travel in the proper lame.

“and if one keeps track of names, one knows that eventually “

If all that one has to do with their time is keep track of names on a message board, I pity the life they lead.

“Write brighter comments then Gus! :)”

I think I am doing my part ….. as I am sure everyone else thinks as well.

It has nothing to do with being bright, in my opinion. It mainly has to do with points of view. We each come from a different point of view. And, in my opinion, too many of us are either unwilling or unable to see others, make judgments too quickly based on little information, and then this type of back and forth happens.

Look through the posts. I did not write:

1.”Impatient bastard causing a terrible accident” (if the northbound driver had slowed down, as a defensive driver would have, he may have been able to pull over to the shoulder. No one described the real weather condition. Very likely little if any snow in that part of the province. May have been freezing rain which it was the day before when I went through there. An ambulance even stopped to clear its windshields.)
2.“Why is it that the innocent always die ?” (I already described a scenario where the passenger may not have been innocent – needed to get somewhere on time, no seatbelt, etc.)
3.“the lane wasn’t closed the truck had signs up wasn’t blocking traffic and was doing everything safely” (The standard of safety preparedness expected of tow truck drivers is considerably higher than that of normal drivers. They should account for gawkers, weather, escape routes for drivers in both directions, whether he needed to be there at that time, whether he should have radioed for help to secure the safety of the scene if he was not prepared for the condition, etc. etc. We do not know. )
4.“the deceased was in the truck that was hit by the impatient moron.” (wrong take away from the story as written by O250)
I did not form opinions. I produced alternative scenarios. I did not write ANYWHERE that those were the scenarios as they happened. I filled gaps, or countered judgments by others. I made no judgments. And, as always, there are those on O250 who do not comprehend the difference.

As I said, everyone comes with a different point of view, including the point of view that everything is black and white based, there is only one right answer to a question, that contributory responsibility does not exist.

“If all that one has to do with their time is keep track of names on a message board, I pity the life they lead.”

There you go again, AAV, an assumption and a judgment based on that false assumption.

Some people have the capability of doing that by observation and storing it into the grey matter they were given.

Here is an example of a real incident and I would, in my world, call it a near miss, and if I was a professional driver with WorkSafeBC coverage, I would have reported it in as a near miss.

I was driving south on Thursday. There was a tandem group of snowplows working about 10 minutes out of Hixon. They were going between 50 and 60 kph. I hung back and decided unless road and weather condition changed as we went further, I would wait it out till Hixon. I thought they might pull over there to let piled up traffic behind them move on ahead of them.

A trucker with his rig came up behind me but held a good 10+ truck lengths back. Eventually an SUV came up behind the trucker, visible during left hand curves. I had no idea of what the road condition were like in front of the plows.

We got to Hixon. Snowplows kept going, actually not slowing down for Hixon, so going either side of the speed limit. After Hixon, the trucker moved closer …. Within two car lengths of me. Put on his brights (it was daylight) and came to within a car length and then back and then closer again.

Okay, he obviously wanted me to make a go for it. I sized up the situation, including whether it was legal in BC to pass this situation since the Ontario Transportation Ministry says the following:
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“Echelon plowing is the practice of staggered snowplows operating across all lanes of a highway in one direction.
Stay well Back to Help Snowplows Do Their Job!

Never pass a snowplow! Here’s why:
•the large blades on snow plows extend a metre or more ahead and to the right of the snow plow, often extending into the right-hand lane
•snow plows are wider at the front than they appear to be from the rear
•even at reduced plowing speeds, light powdery snow forms a cloud that severely restricts visibility
•the road surface is always better behind the plow than in front of it
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/winterdrive/winterdrive.shtml#snowplow
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If I pass, I could
1.maybe break a law
2.put myself into an uncomfortable position.
3.Piss off the snowplow drivers
4.End up in a serious accident

I could also pull over to the right shoulder
1.(it was wide enough and relatively flat beyond the shoulder
2.I would have to slow down and possibly piss off the trucker, even if I signaled properly
3.There was no visibility of what was ahead on the shoulder since the plows were blocking that view. I would not see a sign post, road narrowing over a bridge, curve, etc. until I pulled over far enough to the right.

I could also just keep on going the way I was and, because of someone behind me who had superior visibility than I had due to his high position and was possibly on a run where delay costs him money, run into even more coercive tactics.
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This is the drive smart BC view.
http://www.drivesmartbc.ca/road-maintenance/snow-removal-equipment

1.Never tailgate a snowplow, as the operator may be required to come to a sudden stop if they detect an obstacle on the road ahead of them

2.When plows are operating in a group, be careful not to get caught between them. Having your car between two or more plows creates an unnecessary obstacle for them to watch for.

3.Passing a snowplow is not recommended. Large accumulations of snow can be thrown from any part of the truck, including the tires and undercarriage. If you must pass, use extreme caution and be aware of the snow cloud.

4.Snow removal equipment is exempt from rules of the road – Section 120(b) MVA
Snow removal equipment must be driven with due regard when using the exemption – Section 121 MVA
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So, what should someone in my position do? I am taking a chance either way. Which is the safest?

I tried not to react emotionally to the fact I was being pushed by aggressive drivers into a safety compromised situation.

BTW, I had no access to my computer to google for help with the legal or quasi legal questions. ;-)

Well obviously you did the proper thing Gus because you are still with us. The view up ahead would be much different from the cab of a tractor unit than from your Subaru. So you followed the plow trucks like a reasonable person would. A reasonable person does not pass in limited or near zero visibility. Passing a plow truck on the right would be called suicide.

Gus, you’re becoming the “know-it-all, bore” of O250 (every blog has one) and you’re endless rants suggest hypergraphia, often a symptom of brain injury or schizophrenia. I recommend you start engaging in some serious self-monitoring before you put digit to keyboard.

I, for one, tune out and look elsewhere when I spot your endless and often irrelevant posts. Your interminable scribblings take faintly compelling stories and wring every last ounce of interest out of them for the rest of us.

“(every blog has one)”

So you are on every blog, Krusty …. ? ..

As AAV says, get a life ….. ;-)

As they say with TV, if you do not like what you are watching, turn it off or switch to another channel. Above all, do not complain about what your friends are watching and that unlike you, they obviously have no life.

Famous Hypergraphics

Danielle Steel
Edgar Allan Poe
Fyodor Dostoevsky
Sylvia Plath
Joyce Carol Oates
Stephen King
Isaac Asimov

Do you seek the negative in everything Krusty?

Gus, thank-you for proving my point, and far more eloquently than I ever could.

Just need to add that you are confusing the disordered symptom of hypergraphia with artistic fervour. Nice try, however.

good ole gus, just a bit of a superiority complex.