Governments don’t start or shut down mines the market is the main facter. If the price is right they build, what we don’t want to do is end up like south america were even Canadian mining companys pay no attention to the people or enviroment. Ok to mine but not at any cost that should be the message. As for Black, good luck China owns 50% of the tar-sands and they want the raw product for much needed employment at home. He will need the companys that own the sands to agree and that won’t happen with Alberta, Harper and China are calling the shots. Refinery great idea but thats not the real plan, its about the Pipeline sad to say.

The NDP are skeptical about Black’s project ? Since when are the NDP worried about the destination, it is all about the journey with the NDP! Hire over paid union trades to build the project, pay lots of overtime when the project slows down, then leave the taxpayers on the hook forever to pay ! Then wonder why investors stop investing in BC and move to Alberta inevitably closing the jobs the NDP were trying to protect in the beginning ! Horgan and the NDP giving business advice to Black ??? What a joke….what next? Advice to Apple ?

Blacks project appears to be a ruse.
It has an odd smell to it.
Can’t have a refinery without a pipeline…guess which pipeline?

Black’s proposal is a sham and nothing more than pre-election hype for his Liberal buddies.
It would be well worth your while, Boon, to read Norm Farrell’s article dated Mar 21, 2013 entitled “On the monorail to Obilivion.” The Libs hired an oil industry consulting firm, Navigant Consulting, to put out some hype on Black’s proposal. And then in the hype Navigant says the hype is all unsubstantiated and basically the plan is crap.
The industry says its a joke. But a very timely one, eh?

” there is a perception that the NDP does not support that kind of activity.”

Well, shucks, I wonder why? Could it be that in the past they have always been against it?
Or any other big business?
Yes, corporations flee the province when the NDP are in power, I would too.
Horgan says if he were the Minister of Energy today “I’m not confident that’s where I would put all my energy.”
That is too FUNNY!

Corporations will flee the province when the NDP comes in. It’s all about power. If the corporations can’t control the government and it’s policies, they’ll go somewhere that will let them. Alberta comes to mind.

Nobody is going anywhere…moving a business or even a family is an expensive project.
Nobody does it simply because they don’t like who gets elected.
First of all they will wait and see what the NDP does…assuming they win.
If they screw it up in the first year or so, they will pay the price.
There will be no mass exodus from B.C. because it has an NDP government.
It’s also a safe bet they know where they screwed it up last time.
I doubt they want to repeat that.

uhhh – were you away for the last NDP government Andy?

Not a huge fan of the NDP but if they do get elected it would be suicide for them to hamper resource development as it is the primary revenue generator for the province. Alot of the paranoia that mining companies will leave based on past NDP performance doesnt take into account during the last NDP government the BreEx scandal rocked equity financing in the mining industry and the knock out blow was low copper, gold and moly prices. The markets were a primary driver for this decline as much as i would like to pin it to a political party. At the end of the day we have a two party system where both parties have had thier fair share of miss management and scandals. Time will tell..

As usual the Fiberal trolls and apologists are long on BS and scare tactics! I have yet to see ANY stats from any of them. So feel free to step up to the plate and give us some numbers. I have got the governments numbers and the innuendo that people like interceptor or 2bits or any of them spew out to not reflect the facts.

-Finning, a BC born and bred company, moved its head office to Alberta to get away from the NDPs high business taxes. (to name just one of many)
-From 96-2001 small business in BC shrunk by almost 17000 people
-Robert Macdonald, owner of the Macdonald Development corporation has been leaning towards Alberta lately and has $300 million in projects there just because he knows the NDP are likely to get in.
-The owner of Earls has opened eleven new restaurants recently, none of which are in BC because of experience with the NDP and the polls.
These are just a few names of some business people that undoubtedly know more than the NDP flag wavers dreaming of thier socialist nirvana on here.
ps Denaljo – I am not a Liberal troll, I was just here during the last disaster. I watched the company I worked for downsize from 34 to 12 people just to stay afloat while we had supplier after supplier move to Alberta.
Just a few names of some business people who undoubtedly know alot more than the people waving NDP flags dreaming of a socialist nirvana on here.Denaljo I am not a Liberal troll, I was just here for the last disaster where I watched the company I worked for lose many suppliers as well as downsize from 30 employees to about 12 just to stay afloat.

…and as usual, the NDP supporters go to name calling when they’ve got nothing constructive to add.

Don’t be fooled into thinking businesses won’t leave if it doesn’t make sense or the political climate isn’t right. Not all of us forgot the 90’s.

As for the perception that the NDP doesn’t support mining and resource development in general, that perception is well earned.

I at least have to give Mr. Horgan a little credit for bringing up the issue. But as we all know, talk is cheap.

Sorry interceptor – your numbers do not reflect reality. You are so right JohnnyBelt “talk is cheap”. So where are your facts to back up your cheap talk?

Interceptor…I was right here during the last run of the NDP.
They messed it up in some area’s and in some area’s, they did ok.
Sure,some felt the pinch but few considered leaving the province.
I never once considered leaving even though I was just as pissed at them as anyone else.
They may do that again, we don’t know yet…hopefully they learned something.
In 3 terms the B.C. Liberals, obviously learned nothing or they wouldn’t be where they are now.
Fear of the NDP or any other party is political paranoia at this stage of the game.
One is as bad as the other for the most part.
Unfortunately, the B.C. Liberals set a new standard for dishonesty and general stupidity.
For that they deserve what they get.

Denaljo: “Sorry interceptor – your numbers do not reflect reality.”

So that’s your response? What about your ‘facts’? Just because you ignore reality and choose to subsitute your own doesn’t make it any more real.

As far as ‘fear’ of the NDP, I have none. I just have a good memory. Barring some unforseen disaster, they will be running this province in a few months. Adrian Dix and his handlers are playing a great game right now by not saying anything and potentially leaving themselves open to scrutiny.

For BC and their flaky voters, the upcoming election will once again not be about voting someone in, it will be about voting someone out.

As I said before, it’s all a matter of power. The corporations don’t leave because of taxes or regulations, they leave because they can’t control the government. Personally I’d rather have the control in the hands of the government, not the corporations.

I too remember the NDP. I also remember the Liberals. In some areas the people left in droves after the Liberals shut down the whole area. I personally know 2 companies who contributed to the Liberal candidate in 2001, as well as contributing to him personally. Before the next election both were bankrupt. I would be interested to hear what they say about them now, however, both moved away.

-The owner of Earls has opened eleven new restaurants recently, none of which are in BC because of experience with the NDP and the polls.

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How many did they open in BC during the 11 years of Liberal mismanagement??

From what our good friend Vanderslam told us the HST was brutal on the restaurant businesses??

the worst recession in recent memory was in the 80s. Who was in power then? hmmmm?

It was real bad in the 30’s, who was in power then??? It must have been the mad dog socialists?

Jim: “From what our good friend Vanderslam told us the HST was brutal on the restaurant businesses?? “

How many restaurants closed because of the HST? If you guessed none, you’d be right.

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/06/12/Jim-Shepard/

I know Tielman is an NDP pumper and this article is old but……..food for thought
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2009/04/14/CampbellEra/

Denaljo wrote: “I have got the governments numbers”

Great … so can we see some of them? Just want to make sure they are the same as the ones I have.

20,359
30,125

those are numbers for 2000

currently they are
98,529
54,964 …..

I can probably dig up some more if it helps the calculation. Not sure if they would be as accurate as the ones I just posted.

Weird the way there was such a big turnaround over such a relatively short period of time, especially given the cost of fuel over the same period.

“The challenge for any government is to try and attract capital to extract those resources, create jobs in our communities”

Try? If all one does is try, then the measurement of success is? The number of hours spent trying?

We will have a Ministry of Trying. We will become the best tryers in the world. It will be headed by a Trying Minister.

How about a Ministry of Achieving, headed by an Achieving Minister?

“The challenge for any government is to attract capital to extract those resources, create jobs in our communities”

Okay, a little better.

“we need a concert between capital investment business and labour.”

They are finally going to give us a PAC!!!

How many restaurants closed because of the HST? If you guessed none, you’d be right.

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Really? What happened to A&A on the bypass….shut down because they couldn’t remain profitable under the oppressive HST tax….

So the dippers on this site are afraid of a governments controlled by corporations?????

I’m a helluva lot more afraid of a government controlled by unions!

i.e….

Fat, bloated public service,which of course means higher taxes both business & personal to pay for it,

overpriced infrastructure projects,ditto on the higher taxes,

radical teachers unions running the education standards for our children,

business and industry operating in fear of government supported job action on a daily basis

The list goes on…..I was here during Barrett, Harcourt, Clark and Dosanj….the record is clear….

It was said the only difference between a drunken sailor and Dave Barret was that a drunken sailor spent his own money.

“Really? What happened to A&A on the bypass….shut down because they couldn’t remain profitable under the oppressive HST tax….”

Or perhaps it was because two burgers, two milkshakes and dessert for two people was just shy of $60.00 – thats why my family and I never went back. But hey, you are the fact master, show us the numbers that prove it was because of the HST oh great one…

LOL–bothers you that they shutdown because they couldn’t thrive under the BC Liberals governance?? I was asked to name a restaurant that shut down and I did.

Why do prices rise radically? Supply and demand is the pat answer from the right…. I keep hearing about shortages of skilled labour, and I’m looking forward to our unions getting the appropriate pay increases very soon. :-). We have to try and keep up with the price of fuel…

actually it doesnt bother me at all – I am just curious to see proof that it was the HST that shut it down. Restaurants have been failing for many many years without the HST too, its a tough business. Since Denaljo demands proof for anything he reads I am just asking the same courtesy ;)

A&A is a good example of a business which had something good going, got greedy, branched out, went away from what got them there, then failed.

A&A was a niche burger joint on the Hart with little to no competition. They did well. Then they made what I felt was a stupid move, opened up downtown in a high overhead situation, direct competition with many other operations. A few new ones opened, kicked their butts and now they are closed.

And for price, when they were on the Hart we would vist them 4 or 5 times a summer. After they went downtown, we stopped in once, saw the prices and never went back.

The restaurant business is one of the toughest to survive of all….A&A had a good product but their prices were waaaaay out of line. Their closing had nothing to do with HST or any other form of taxes (BC Business tax among lowest in Canada & Personal tax among lowest as well),

Sorry…..blaming the Liberals on this one doesn’t make the grade.

Why not it’s not any worse than say Earls doesn’t build in BC because of an NDP party that isn’t even in power!! LOL. They are probably fed up with all the Liberal red tape and HST debacles……

ummm – Steve Fuller the owner of Earls went on public record saying he wasnt building in BC because of what looks like an NDP govrnement coming in. But hey, if you want to pretend I made that up so you and your union brothers can cuddle and pet each other in comfort you go ahead.

hey, guys the election starts in weeks but the fun has already got underway lol,Libs are done and good thing not much more to sell off.

I’m sure Jim has some source that backs up his statement that ‘the HST’ closed the A&A Burger Bar down. Lol.

Seriously, I just about fell over when I saw that example. Everyone has pointed out the problems with the place, and I had the same experience.

“Steve Fuller the owner of Earls went on public record saying he wasnt building in BC because of what looks like an NDP govrnement coming in….”

I remember when they were considering building a second Earls in PG when the NDP was in power.

Never materialized. He can talk like that if he wants to. Totally meaningless, but get press.

Same with Ric’s. They bought the property next to them on George. Never built on it. Did however build elsewhere in the province with some places having more than just one location.

The decision to build is generated by the demand of the marketplace and the greed of the owner, not by the party in power.

It’s because of the Liberals that we don’t have an Olive Garden, or Chilis, or Red Lobster….11 years of regressive PST, GST and HST.. All topped with a carbon tax.. It’s no wonder PG the bastion of BC Liberal power bases has nothing….well we do have one (1) theater even if they cannot show IMAX.

Jim,

your full of it today, but have a nice day anyway.

Jim, you just maned 3 of the absolute worst restaurant franchises in the country.

Yes Jim, best to stop posting. You’re not doing yourself any favours. Best to quit while you’re behind.

If it means anything, the owners of A&A actually told me it was because of he HST that they were closing. I was surprised to hear they were closing when I was paying for my meal and that’s what they told me. I used to go there a few times a year and certainly didn’t find their prices any more outrageous than some other restaurants in town…or fast food places for that matter. Have you eaten at A&W lately? Small burger, fries and a medium drink for 2 runs close to 20 bucks and you are hungry an hour later. At least at A&A you got a decent helping of food. And of course there are the trendy establishments I town whose mottos are “eat less pay more”.

But,

When your going out of business denial is the first response. Blame it on the HST, great scapegoat. Maybe ask your customers. Prices were WAY to high for the food and ambience.

As for A&W, the menu items you quoted run your about 12 bucks.

I’m a helluva lot more afraid of a government controlled by unions!

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Gimma break…well you don’t have to worry about the NDP then, they ordered my union [CEP at the time], back to work to stop our strike actions. I guess they just did that to try and fool you into thinking the unions weren’t calling the shots??

If it means anything, the owners of A&A actually told me it was because of he HST that they were closing. I was surprised to hear they were closing when I was paying for my meal a

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Holy cow Johnny & gang…did you read what this fellow posted about the owners of A&A shutting down due to the HST?? Hope you didn’t miss it, although we know you will discount it. ;-)

Canfor and the Bid Group are trying to open a trades school….but they need government funding??? What happened did the Liberals over spend a little, maybe like $500 million overspent on a fancy roof and now they cannot come up with the money?? Or was it the $12 million they promised for the Bollywood party?

Oh my lawd, it’s a good thing this Liberal party knows how to manage our tax money or they would have huge cost overruns building something as basic as a weigh scale…oh right they did that too, they blew the budget on a place to weigh you truck south of PG.

The HST has closed no restaurants. If the owners of A&A actually said that (and who knows if But is telling the truth), they were seriously deluded.

A & A may very well blame the HST for not having customers but reality is there is at least 6 places in town where you can get a decent steak and a lot nicer setting for the same price as a burger and fries was there. As many have said, they went once saw the prices and never went back. Seriously no one except Mattyc refused to eat out because of the few cents worth of HST on a meal.

Tuesday March 26th, 12.15 pm, drove down the bypass looking for a place to eat, BP, Earls, Moxies, all the parking lots full. WhiteSpot, Red Robin, Cimo’s full as well. I guess the HST is really hindering their business.