That is why I ride dirt bike. Might break a leg one day, but I will never be killed by my machine rolling over on top of me. It happens all the time hill climbing, but no big deal with a bike. Big heavy machines can easily kill and people often don’t realize this until its too late. With a bike however one can just let it go and pick it up in the dirt later.

I don’t like the ATV’s because they block the trail and give no room to pass, and hitting one would be like hitting a parked car.

IMHO

ya, but a 2 wheeled motor bike takes actual skill.
Quads can be and are ridden by everyone from children that are too young and often not supervised, to urban sheeple who think a pocket full of money allows them to do as they wish, till someone loses an eye (or life).

“ya, but a 2 wheeled motor bike takes actual skill.”

Ummm, so do quads the last time I checked.

RIP buddy!

He was sucked into a culvert and went over some falls. So the only real connection to the ATV is he fell off of it.

Exactly. Ifhe had not fallen off the ATV he would not have been sucked into the culvert.

A lot of people have trouble distinguishing the prime cause (falling off the ATV in this case) from the secondary cause.

The secondary cause does not happen unless the primary cause happens.

People who have skills driving an ATV typically do not crash them. That is the definition of skilled.

skillful – proficient – expert – adept

Well spoken and true, Gus, but experts crash too, usually when exploring the limits of their machines.
Pushing the envelope, I remain,
metalman.

Gus, you sound like an expert at everything.

Gus, if you want to talk cause and effect it never ends. If the road wasn’t there, there would not be a culvert to get sucked into!! Do you ride?

It simply comes down to this being a tragic accident, and my condolences go out to his family. It doesn’t matter how skilled a person is, accidents can happen at any time. That’s just the risks of enjoying life and being active. Many of us live for sports and recreation activities, and I bet far less active people die from these type of accidents then couch potatoes die of heart disease and other ailments from being sessile.

I have seen a few places report that the quad flipped on top of that young woman. It did not land on her at all. Please check your sources, I know it is difficult for the family to see this being reported inaccurately.

Condolences to the family of the man. Very tragic.

There are more thing I am not proficient at or have very little if any expertise at than those I am quite proficient at, RUEZ.

It just happens that the majority of topics that come up here are relatively every day topics which I do have some interest, knowledge and skills in. Not all, but many.

We rarely talk about the importance of RNA in cancer research, for instance, or the influence of Shakespeare on English Literature, or the meaning of the yellow brick road.

When it comes to governance, urban planning, architecture, structural engineering, building codes, safety in the workplace, forestry, post secondary education, heritage, photography, and a few other areas, I will enter the discussion with the level of expertise expected of a person who has worked in those areas or deals with them on the level of a serious hobby.

I hope there is no problem with that, RUEZ.

“I have seen a few places report that the quad flipped on top of that young woman.”

I thought this report dealt with a man.

“Gus, if you want to talk cause and effect it never ends”

Unless one is an incident investigator and knows what the reporting protocol is.

There is nothing philosophical about incident reporting. It is a relatively strict discipline.

There is, of course, a difference between the incident cause and sequence through it and the physical cause of death.

My comment on reflection was selfish and lacked some class. My condolences to the family.