Are jeans and running shoes traditional garb?

Hope they didn’t stop for gas or an oil change while in town. Wouldn’t that make them what they call hypocrites?

Democracy is occupying land and laying down your life? Democracy involves voting and rational debates not over the top threats.

Dummies… It’s the robes (button blankets) they are wearing that determines their status, not the runners or jeans.. such ignorant bliss is your lil world you live in.. get to know other cultures and your neighbors.

Hey Stillsmokin..can I get your pemican recipe?

Correct you are Harbinger, and don’t forget these gatherings are paid for by your tax dollars to boot.

Such a nice day today. Too bad some people are so miserable being inside that all they can do is harp on others and make fun of other cultures. Hope those Enbridge lines are in your back yard when they erupt

heyy riskeone… here’s the link 4 the recipe

http://www.wildernesscollege.com/pemmican-recipes.html

How about a photo op in the parking lot! Bunch of hypocrites they are. Don’t appreciate where most of what they depend on every day comes from oil. Show me a better way today, and I’ll be on board. In the mean time, stop beating your drum to the media!!!

I just took a better look at the photo of their stage. Lots of “modern tech” stuff going on there. Hydro from a dam the probably apposed. Wire to feed the power to their modern day audio equipment covered in plastic (oil product)! All their music stands made from metal, a product that use a lot of oil to get it from the ground and through the shelters and factories to get the finished product on their stage, which is likely covered in NYLON carpet or some form of it.

I could go on for ever about this subject! It’s all BS. Today the world needs oil, deal with it!!

Stillsmokin:

“Dummies…”

“Too bad some people are so miserable being inside that all they can do is harp on others and make fun of other cultures”

I guess I don’t qualify as culture. or someone that has value.

This pipeline will not go through, it is not only first nations against this. B.C. takes all the risk, with very little benefits. I guess some people just don’t understand where this oil is going. Obviously we don’t need it, it is going straight to China. Get over it, this pipeline will not go through. All people, no matter what our skin color will not let this disaster in the making, be built here,no matter what. Plain and simple the answer is no. So deal with that!

I am apposed to the pipeline running through BC. Why don’t they just turn it around and go through Manitoba etc. its flat there easier to dig, and if crap happens, its the other provinces problem not bc’s. Seeing as no one seems to care if there are problems with it in BC, its BC who will have to pay to fix it, not the oil company, and then we will have to change our plates from Beautiful British Columbia to Alberta part 2

And transporting it with CN Rail is about as safe as ever with many derailments.

Who died and made you king dirtcheap?

dow7500
Is that the best you can do?

“Today the world needs oil, deal with it!!”

Who is disputing that? The question, as with anything, is at what cost?

1. We do not need to send bitumen down the line to get oil from it.

2. We do not send it to the west coast to supertankers.

3. We do not not need to send it overseas to refine it to a selection of final products; we can do that here and provide added value.

4. We do not need to pipe it through BC. We can upgrade it in Alberta and send it to the east where it will be used by a larger population base so that they do not have to pay the world price for it.

There is no one who is thinking this through to get the best deal for Canada.

Who died and made you chief dirtcheap? Is that better?

Wow, lots of empty-headed little bigots here.

gus:-“There is no one who is thinking this through to get the best deal for Canada.”
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When it comes down to the ‘money’, gus, you are quite right. And because of that, oil from Alberta will HAVE TO BE exported. Not in exchange for alternate imports, which is really what international ‘trade’ should be all about, but to get some other country to buy Canadian dollars to pay for it. Dollars which the Bank of Canada then creates for distribution in Canada, “debt-free”, to Canadians, at least. Without which the Canadian banking system could not, under the current rules and conventions of cost accounting utilised, remain solvent.

The ENVIRONMENTAL ‘problem’ of transporting tar sands oil via the Enbridge route, and thence to China or other world markets by supertanker, may loom large in the minds of all those opposed to the pipeline. But it pales in comparison with the FINANCIAL ‘problem’ that remains nearly completely oblivious if we’re determined to continue to maintain the current financial conventions that FORCE this country, and, really, every country to prostrate themselves to the ‘money changers’.

So, yes, while it is entirely physically possible to fully refine Alberta oil in Canada, and construct pipelines to the east, to serve Canadian markets now dependent on imported oil, under the current financial system we seem hopelessly committed to, it is financially impossible. We are in the unfortunate position of having to show a so-called “favourable” balance of trade internationally, which means in ‘financial’ terms we are getting richer, while in physical ones, we are really getting poorer. For how can you continually ship out more real wealth from your country than you receive back in alternate real wealth from abroad and be anything else?

I suppose that bus the have the sign hanging off in the background runs on sunshine?

No oil means, mass death around the world. We will all be starving to death, as farmers can not run their equipment. meaning no food on the shelves. Unfortunately we are so dependent on oil, our very existence and life style is because of oil. If it was not for oil, our world will only be 10 mile radius. All we eat and do with in 314.159 square miles. Think about it.

With out oil, the world population will dwindle to under a billion with in one year. We will all become rudementry farmers, trying to get the most out of the land.

Technology. unfortunately it will not move fast enough to get the different technology off the ground for it to get the food to the shelves. how long can you last when the stores have no food. 10 days, what happens when you turn the tap and no water comes out.

Actually it does. It runs on the energy from the sun that was harnessed many millions of years ago and sequestered until we discovered how to unleash it.

Mindboggling, isn’t it?

Then again, for some people, God put it here on the 5th day of creation. ;-)

“With out oil, the world population will dwindle to under a billion with in one year. We will all become rudementry farmers, trying to get the most out of the land.”

Who said we will not use the oil we extract from Alberta? It is there to gather interest and value as we get closer to the day there is none left ……

Then again, there are those people who must use the money in the piggybank before it is full because they realize it has not appreciated in value over time …… so use it now while the gettin’ is good.

Oh, such tough situations we find ourselves in.

In fact, we have to use tankers built by other countries, run by shipping companies owned by companies in other countries, use steel made in other countries, welding equipment made in other countries, excavators, trucks, etc. etc. virtually all made in other countries, and possibly even foreign workers ……

We have so much leakage from this country that it is downright scary. No one really assesses the true cost – social, environmental, economic – of such mega projects.

“No oil means, mass death around the world.”

Is anyone getting prepared for that time? I suggest that those people who have the oil are the guardians of world survival and have a duty to ensure that there is an alternate source available to compensate for the energy used that we unleashed over the last century or so.

gus: “Actually it does. It runs on the energy from the sun that was harnessed many millions of years ago and sequestered until we discovered how to unleash it.”

Nice try.

I know, I know … in Canada we are generally all descendants of a gene pool that has a mind set of gettin’ while the gettin’ is good. ;-)

There is so much irony in that picture.

And how much irony is there in pictures such as this?

http://0.tqn.com/d/goeasteurope/1/0/Z/N/-/-/Bulgarian-National-Dress.jpg

At least they have a traditional robe which is much more than one can say about a “made in Canada by Canadians” robe or national dress. We have to borrow those from the vaiouis cultures that make up this country, including the different aboriginal tribes from east to west.

I think our traditional dress is a sweat shirt with some stupid on it and a baseball cap put on backwards for those under 23, even though we are not all baseball players.

Sine Nomine….. ahhahahh ignore them… Just bunch old folks miserable with life as they watch the world past them by as they sip their homemade wine…

There is already a pipeline route from Edmonton to Vancouver (and Seattle) and there is no need to recreate the wheal and dig a new route. They can use the old pipeline route and put new pipelines with more rigorous environmental sensors. But the point is to process the tar and export/use the refined products instead of exporting raw materials.

The culture and language of first nations in Canada are parts of the traditions of this land, but some confuse Canadian traditions with having undemocratic institutions like Senate and ridiculing and destroying first nation cultures. Racism stinks …

I am always conflicted with F.N. people because when the Europeans showed up, if they’d been smart, they would’ve kept their distance, laughed their butts off as we starved to death having no clue how to survive here – but instead they helped – and look how that worked out for them.

But, had they done that, and we went back to Europe, sooner or later, the Russians would have crossed that sea, made their way down to B.C., and likely the negotiations would not have involved treaties and rights, and status’s, because there would have been no indigenous population left.

So, I think going forward, we agree the F.N.’s were screwed, but at this point in time you have to look not at the past, but the future, and what can we do together. There’s lots in me that I can blame my parents for, but one day you just say s**t happens, suck it up, and do your best to make your way. F.N. have to do that. They have to quit blaming the past, and take responsibility for their own future, and that may even include leaving their traditional territory and way of life, and getting a job in the mainstream culture.

One day, the Prime Minister of Canada, will not be a guilt ridden European descendant,but likely someone with an Asian descent. So make peace now, because the future probably won’t care about the past.

ohhh I thought our PM kinda looked Asian.. You sure he’s not???

gus: “And how much irony is there in pictures such as this?

http://0.tqn.com/d/goeasteurope/1/0/Z/N/-/-/Bulgarian-National-Dress.jpg“

I have no doubt there are lots of ironic pictures in the world, gus. The one at the top of the story is just one of them.

I guess others can come and make fun of the Scots and their wearing of skirts and how Canada honors those customs. What is striking is the failure of Canada in bringing the traditions of fist nation people into “the common store house of Canadian culture” (see thoughts on Canada Day, Ukrainian Canadian, 1 July 1950).

What has happened to the first nations in Canada is classified by academics as cultural genocide and linguistic genocide and these memories are now part of the collective memory of first nation people in Canada and many Canadians. We cannot simply erase these, similarly we cannot erase the collective memory of Jews of Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camps of last century or the purim of 2 millenniums ego.

The clash of civilizations between settlers and first nations in American continent has been going on long before Sam. Huntington’s more recent theory, but it is time to find a peaceful settlement and an end to the discrimination and racism in Canada.

Let me guess, some of the commenters on this thread aren’t racist because they have friends who are of First Nations descent?

“What has happened to the first nations in Canada is classified by academics as cultural genocide and linguistic genocide and these memories are now part of the collective memory of first nation people in Canada and many Canadians. We cannot simply erase these, similarly we cannot erase the collective memory of Jews of Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camps of last century or the purim of 2 millenniums ego”

Academics? Genocide? Linguistic? Millenniums? Go easy on the “fancy” words there univ, remember the audience ;)

Could someone please explain to me how it’s ironic that these people are speaking out against the proposed Northern Gateway project? You speak as though they are reaping the benefits of the said project while being against it. Since the pipeline hasn’t been built, this is obviously not possible.

It would be ironic if they were speaking out against ALL oil and gas development, but that’s not what is being reported in the story.

Perhaps it’s the ceremonial clothing and non European skin colour that causes these irrational comments to come from the peanut gallery? I mean really, you don’t really hear them when anyone other than a First Nations group shares the same opinion . . .

“the Russians would have crossed that sea”

I have news for you, ski50, they did.

Of course, they did not realize that there were riches underground, so they ended up selling the land to the USA.
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As far as criticizing traditional robes over jeans and running shoes, it happens to be their robes and their right to wear them as they see fit.

No one seems concerned how the Hell’s Angels wear their colours or the Steelworker’s wear their caps and jackets or the Mason’s put the lids on their jars. ;-)

The audience resides in BC and let’s call black as black. BC has been harshly criticized e.g. by Japanese Canadians for racial discrimination policies. You may want to read the 2012 book by Aya Fujiwara “Ethnic elites and Canadian identity”. Page 148 reads:

“For Japanese, moving from the West Coast to east of the Rockies identified British Columbia with the unappealing “past” and lingering racial discrimination. … More precisely, the zone within 100 miles of the Pacific coast, where the interwar Japanese population had been concentrated, became the darkest symbol of the Japanese past.”

We need to treat the first nation people, their culture, language, traditions and lands rights as important as the Scottish and French early settlers, their culture, language and traditions. The current share of power of first nations in Canada is not compatible with their past, present and future populations compared to even more recent settlers from central Europe and Asia. Why is that?

Don’t forget the Kievian Rus from Ukraine who crossed the sea and successfully settled in Manitoba more than 100 years ego.

The story of Russian occupation of Inuit lands in North America as seen from today’s Russian media.

http://english.pravda.ru/history/04-04-2007/89041-alaska-0

As I vaguely recall from my grad 6 Geography class, Manitoba was part of Canada at that time.

They did not come as Russian settlers to Russian lands. They came as Russian settlers to Canadian lands, no different than any other settlers from outside of Canada.

Ok, the issue is not “Canadian lands” given to people of Ukraine. The issue is the failure of Canadian government in respecting the land treaties it signed with first nation people. How an Ukrainian Canadian will react if Canadian government renegades on his land agreement?

We need to stop treating first nations as 3rd class citizens and aliens and treat their treaties with respect as if they were signed with Frenchmen, Scotsmen and Ukranian (and not first nations). It is time that this dark chapter of racism in Canada (opened by early settlers), be closed for good. We didn’t open the chapter, but as Canadian citizens we must close this shameful chapter of our history.

Some of these posters tired old argument about people against oil also being dependant on it is a complete joke! You people do realize that it was the oil industry that helped kill the electric car don’t you?
Yup, in the 1990’s the California Air Resources Board reversed it’s zero emissions mandate after relentless pressure from the oil industry. As a result zero emission initiatives like General Motors EV1 electric car, among others, was discontinued and destroyed.
An oil industry that killed the electric car, because it threatened their future, now presenting the argument that if we are against oil, we should not be “stepping on our GAS pedals”, how ironic is that?

Hey sheeple! Why would a BIG OIL Company like Texaco buy a promising clean energy battery technology for automobiles?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Texaco+to+Acquire+General+Motors'+Share+of+GM+Ovonic+Battery+Joint…-a065906018

Time to get rid of all that clean energy automotive technology that threatens BIG OIL’s profits!!!

“How an Ukrainian Canadian will react if Canadian government renegades on his land agreement”

Who knows? What was the land agreement? I understood it was homesteaded at no purchase cost and the young Canada even provided some financing. So it was a land purchase with a deed involved, not a treaty between two nations or peoples.

Sort of nice of them to do that. Wonder if the Plains Indians minded Canada giving the land that they took from them to others from the Ukraine, Iceland, Germany, and Hungary.