what positive economic stuff is happening around north central BC (around and effecting PG)

ps First…

Sure glad no one went for a 10 storey wood building here.

Here as a design proposal for a 40 storey building with a concrete skeleton structure and trussed structural wood floor systems
http://www.ceiarchitecture.com/project/naiop-design-competition-2012

Positive economic stuff ….

trees are continuing to store carbon in their wood trunks and branches ready to be cut in 60 to 80 years to be used in the construction of tall wooden buildings.

It is a savings bank of sorts. ;-)

Was at a store a few days ago and watched as an elderly woman went ballistic on the store clerk because they no longer accept personal checks. I was impressed that the girl behind the till kept her cool and the store manager and security were called to calm the old woman down.

I can understand the woman’s fusteration over not being able to write a check but at the same time I also understand the business need to stop accepting the checks. I personal haven’t written a check in over 12 yrs in today’s modern world of fast paced economics debit cards are the new way to go. The vast majority of us have confirmed to it and if your like me embraced it.

It does come at a cost however and that is the older generation has a lot of issues with modern tech and prefer old tech as they are comfortable with it. Unfortunately old tech isn’t accepted at most places now.

I have a friend on the Sunshine Coast that writes checks for everything. Beer at the beer store, gas, restaurant, you name it, he says he doesn’t carry cash and only uses checks with no problems. I guess if you always shop at the same places, and they know you maybe its alright?

Debit card has more risk for the customer, and the check more risk for the vender. Catch-22 of sorts. Personally I only use checks for paying things through the mail.

I see no reason why we couldn’t have debit checks. A check with a debit number on it that could be entered manually if a store so chose to do that to get authorization on that check. The electronic info of the debit card could never be stolen then. Each check could only be authorized for that check.

Time will tell

Good point Dearth… the older generation faces many issues with modern tech advances. Things such as computers intimidate the heck out of them and I even know seniors who still have no idea how to use a bank machine (and they’ve been around for how long?).

I write one check a year… to city hall for my property taxes. Beyond that it’s just a pad of paper taking up room in my drawer.

My wife and I managed to put a few loonies aside here and there over the years so that we were able to pay off our mortgage earlier than expected.

Bank charged us a $300 fee for doing so. How nice of them. What a bunch of thieves. Truly.

Had a sad thing happen the other evening. On our way to the store a small dog ran out of the ditch and under the wheels of our pick-up. Sorry to say he did not make it. My friend who was driving was devastated that she had killed this dog. We knocked on doors for 30 min trying to find the owners all the while berating herself for killing this dog. Please keep your pets in your yard. The owner was finally located quite some distance from where the mishap had happened and we transported him and the dog back to his home. This poor girl driving should not have to feel this way, and before anyone suggests she should drive slower she was going well under the posted speed. Please be responsible pet owners so more people don’t have to go through this.

Pylot, was the $ 300 a penalty for paying off a closed mortgage early? Or to clear the mortgage from the title? If it wasn’t for the latter, you’ll probably find there’ll be another fee to do that. (Which wouldn’t likely be a problem, unless you were to sell your house before the mortgage term expires, and a title search revealed you still don’t have clear title to it even though you’ve paid off your mortgage early.)

You have to wonder at why we’ve put up with the shenanigans banks are able to pull for so long. The home buyer is always charged all the costs of a mortgage that is registered to “protect the bank’s interests”.

Yet if you’re in any other business, and do or sell something to someone, it’s entirely up to YOU, and at YOUR expense, to file any liens you think might be necessary to “protect your interests”. Whether it’s a Mechanic’s Lien, a Builder’s Lien, a Woodworker’s Lien, Warehouseman’s Lien, or whatever, you bear the cost.

The actions of a “bunch of thieves” doesn’t begin to describe the con job that is foisted on us daily by the banking system.

As for the comments regarding ‘checks’, and their acceptance, or lack thereof, I can remember when banks were full of people doing all the check clearing activities, postings, and general work associated with banking by hand, with only the old mechanical calculators and bookkeeping machines to assist them.

When we were not charged anything to write a check, or cash one, nor for the check blanks themselves.

When you could walk into any branch, and do any business short of seeing the manager himself without an appointment. And sometimes you could even get into to see him without one, or on very short notice.

Now we’re in the world of automated banking, where the customer does practically everything himself, and the bank charges you a fee for doing nearly all of it!

Where if you want to open a deposit in person you have to make an appointment. Take out a mortgage, the same. Use the ATM or your debit card, or even have an account, and you’re dinged for all of it.

And the interest you’re paid on your deposit? To give credence to the myth that the bank is actually loaning out YOUR money to someone else, and sharing the take with you? Well, lets not get into that! They feed it to us, and we take it. But don’t worry, if they get into trouble, and make a bunch of bad loans, and those multi-billion dollar profits turn into multi-billion dollar losses, and they fail, you won’t lose your deposits. Not exactly. They’ll take them, (after all, the actual ‘cash in the bank’ is a BANK asset, the deposit in your ‘name’ is their liability, and YOUR asset in name only), and you’ll get bank shares in their place. Will they be worth anything? Who can say, maybe someday soon we’ll all find out?

I see a new “Children @ play – slow down” sign on the top of the hill on North Kelly Road. While I have no problem with the sign it did raise my concern about the kids. North Kelly is notorious for excessive speeding, has no shoulder to speak of, no sidewalks and the sign is posted at the crest of a blind hill. If you let your children play there you really should have your head examined.

As I’ve mentioned in other threads, there is no reason to pay the banks for a chequing account/ATM card. ING Direct and PC Financial have fee free accounts for those who do the majority of their banking at machines.

Gus, I like the 40 storey wooden faced building you shared in your previous post. Its iconic and has WOW appeal, is 730,000 sq feet and only cost 165 million. With all the money we are saving from the City’s core review maybe the city could hire CEI architecture to spruce up downtown PG ;-)

Pylot Project, you should have paid them the $300 in nickels (would have suggested pennies but….). Did that with an account manager years ago (he gave out private information to a relative); never felt better :)

Bright sunny day in Abby. Still acouple of town homes for sale in our complex for less then 250. Tell Queen Green and her pal James to shove it. They will tax you to death.
Cheers

When talking about the city wasting money, the province wasting money, the country wasting money, how about their so called wasteful chasing of plant growing C02. Besides the community energy project, electric car, hybrids and other projects along with the carbon tax and other provincial initiatives. How much is all that costing us chasing an unproven theory?

Here is an interesting read

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/12/fuel-on-the-highway-in-british-pre-columbia/

Animation of WIDC building
http://mg-architecture.ca/portfolio/widc

You can never waste money. It is a man-made concept. Unless you burn it, it will be spent somewhere for something.

The thing is, we all have different concepts of where and how it should be spent. As we can see from this forum, we will never agree, except maybe in times of war.

What HAPPENED to the horoscope on this site??

Seamutt thanks for the read on wasting money. Interesting find which shows fuel use in BC before the carbon tax was dropping faster than almost all the provinces and after the tax fuel use is increasing faster than almost all other provinces, doesn’t this nullify the main objective of behind initiating the carbon tax in tje first place which was to reduce carbon levels from the largest sector emmitters of carbon, the transportation sector? just another brilliant gov’t cash cow concept that is working in their favor.

Stillsmokin, it is under the dropdown box under Life…cheers!

I think many posters on this site should consider joining the Libertarian Party of Canada.

http://www.libertarian.ca

Thanks, annie :)

Stillsmokin;

The horoscopes, as well as some other features, are no longer available from our previous service provider. We are trying to locate a new source and hope to see the return of horoscopes, crosswords and sudoku soon.
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Clearly, as an example, if a city paves a street and later on discovers that certain vital underground services were not installed requiring digging up the new pavement and doing the paving job twice- money has been wasted.

Finally, a non-emotional take at the core review process from the Canadian Taxpayer Federation:

“City should have sold off Pine Valley”
“Core service reviews are all about reminding yourself what the core services are”
“Another controversial recommendation Bateman supports is the re-implementation of a downtown street parking fee. During his B.C. debt clock tour, Bateman said he had to pay for parking downtown in some communities like Salmon Arm and Kelowna and said he doesn’t think a proposed $1 an hour fee in Prince George would deter people from frequenting the business district.”

http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/article/20130711/PRINCEGEORGE0101/307119987/-1/princegeorge/city-should-have-sold-off-pine-valley-taxpayers-federation

the banks are almost as good at charging you for your business as the car dealers. You buy a new vehicle and you have to pay them for doing their required paperwork. Great scam that will take anywhere for 300 to 500 $ out of your pocket. Don’t get me started on the add-ons like performance packages, appearance packages, etc. where you pay literally hundreds of dollars for something that probably costs the dealer under a 100 $. Have a great weekend.

Bateman obviously doesn’t know what he is talking about. Perhaps he has spent too much time travelling the Country with his useless **Road Show**.

Firstly I doubt very much if he could even find the Pine Valley Golf Course let alone understand the history behind this course. Pine Valley in addition to being a Par 3 Golf Course is also parkland, and as such should stay where it is as it is.

Why wouldn’t Bateman make mention of the $36 Million dollars wasted at the PR George Airport, the money p….d away on the Community Energy System, the huge dollars for the $40 Million police station. $80 million over 20 years with interest. The present fiasco the Wood Innovation Building, Plus many more serious errors of judgment made by those in authority over the past years.

We know as an example that City taxes have increased a whopping 50% over the past 12 years, an increase from $44 Million to $80 some odd million. One would think that a person who was concerned about taxes would make some comment on this horrendous situation. Perhaps he could show that the increase in taxes was a direct result of the increases and benefits to City employees, and the borrowing for asinine projects.

Pine Valley cost the City some $4200.00 last year which is not much of a hardship. Considerably less than the expense account for the Mayor.

Bateman should stick with his dog and pony show, which if anyone is interested has not made one iota of difference in how this Country is taxed or run. It would be interesting to see how much his travelling gong show costs the members of the BC taxpayers fed.

Guess what JB ….. Bateman does not live in PG. When he leaves here he goes elsewhere to sell his wares.

The neat things about cities is that it is as close as one gets to having the people who we elect to do our job so close to us.

What are core services?? Easy. What we the people decide are core services. Core services in PG are different from core services in Mackenzie and in West Van, and in Nelson.

If we decide that a golf course should be part of our city’s core services, or 5 swimming pools planted throughout the various areas around the city, or a central park in downtown PG, then that is what our core services will be.

We do not need outsiders to tell us what our City should provide for us. That is OUR decision.

Next thing you know we will be run by some national magazine.

So Canada’s federal debt is $617 billion +

Can I see the other side of the ledger, please? What are the assets? Then let us look at the net asset. I expect that to be a positive figure, the same as it is for PG.

Just think of young people starting out with their first home purchase. 20% down. They would have a horrendous debt on the remaining principle in their house, their new car that may have been purchased on credit, a few toys for the boyz, and we are racking up the total debt.

We tend to forget about the assets, other than the house, especially for those who bought it as an investment as well.

City water is not a core service for some rural properties, neither is sanitary services. Not even fire hydrants are a core service in some parts of the city.

Recycling should be, but isn’t. Free delivery to a landfill by the owner isn’t, but should be.

Paved roads are not a core service. Functioning sidewalks are not a core service.

In fact, assessing the quantity and quality of core services through a city auditor is not a core service.

Can I see the other side of the ledger, please? What are the assets? Then let us look at the net asset. I expect that to be a positive figure, the same as it is for PG.

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So I guess if every country and city is in debt that makes it good fiscal management??

Prince George is in debt because of all the **assets** they have built. Had they cut back on the so called assets, they would have less debt.

“The Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) is a federally incorporated, not-for-profit citizen’s group dedicated to lower taxes, LESS waste and accountable government.”

So how come they just want less waste? Why not abolish waste altogether?

If they reduce waste by 0.01% they will have less waste.

How much money will they spend on evaluating that?

“So I guess if every country and city is in debt that makes it good fiscal management??”

You guess wrong. That is a statement which tells me you cannot read/understand a financial report and the notions behind one.

Let us say I can borrow money at 3% and someone does not have the capacity to borrow money at that rate and is willing to pay 8% to borrow that money if I had it.

So I make a deal that I will get that money, all $50million or so, buy the asset the borrower wants to use as collateral for the loan and lease it back to the borrower to operate without incurring any additional costs for me.

I would show a debt of $50million and an asset or investment of $50million. I would show an annual payment schedule of principal and interest as well as an annual income statement of lease payments.

Would you consider that to be good fiscal management?

I agree with you, who da thunk, regarding the charges from car dealers. When I was looking to buy my last car I told them what I was willing to pay with all costs included. But every time I was ready to buy the car and sign the papers they would add $500-$600 for documentation fee. I told every dealer that I would do it myself for the $25.00 that ICBC charged them. I did not buy a car as I would not pay the $500-$600 extra.

One dealer said the documentation fee was their overhead for heat, front desk wages, security, lightening, etc.

On recycling:
Where in P.G. does one drop off recyclable plastic containers ie: liquid detergent, mustard, oil jugs, etc.

Oh, and non deposit glass vessels as well.

thanks.
metalman.

Here is a read on media bias considering ho Global National screams climate change everytime it gets a little wet or warm somewhere ignoring the real information. Ties in with wasting money.

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/07/news-media-networks-report-global-warming-92-times-versus-global-pause-zero-times/

Is not having to pay interest not good fiscal management?

Is paying an extra 5 million for the ugly crab look a like design on Victoria bad fiscal management?

Theres a place that takes all of that on highway 97S metalman – Its called “Quesnel”

metalman: BBK bottle depot on Vance road will even take empty milk containers for recycling. They don’t give you a deposit on them of course, but they will take them for recycling. As well as old tvs and any electronics.

pg66: I don’t know if “documentation fees” are law or not. I wish someone could answer that for me.

They may be just something the dealers cooked up for extra charges. They seem to be rated on a percentage of the price of the car sort of like “shop supplies” are added onto repair shops’ bills, whether they actually used any ‘supplies’ or not.
I remember when documentation charges were first instituted, they were only like $25 or $50. Now they are in the hundreds.

socredible… yes it was a penalty for paying the mortgage off early. After some research on the subject I found this tidbit….

“According to the Canadian Bankers Association, early payoff penalties are put in place so that the bank can manage risk and cover costs”.

How nice of them. Someone pays off their debt early and that’s a risk? They don’t lose money, they don’t even lose that much profit as the interest is usually front-ended in a mortgage. Risk… Phhhht.

bornandbred… I’ll have to remember that nickel prank.

“Finally, a non-emotional take at the core review process from the Canadian Taxpayer Federation”

Why would anyone want a non-emotional take on the core review process?

Heck, I think there should be MORE emotion. The city belongs to the people of PG and they should be 100% engaged in the process. Decisions that impact the city SHOULD NOT be left to some outside group with a narrow mandate and a Powerpoint deck that stays the same except for the introductory slide which tells the audience (and reminds the presenter) which city they are in . . .

Documentation Fees , I just told I’am not paying them ask again and I walk . It works

Pylot Project, I’m not defending the bank, but let me get this straight….

You took out a mortgage at a Bank. During the mortgage approval process, you would have had the opportunity to read your mortgage documents. You would have had the opportunity to review the conditions and terms of your mortgage. You would have had the opportunity to review your pre-payment options, fees and penalties. Did you do all of this prior to signing your documents? Did you do this after signing your documents? Have you even bothered to read your mortgage documents yet?

One of the biggest problems that we have in our society is the belief that nothing is “my fault”. It’s always someone else’s fault. We have way too many people who are willing to support this concept!

You entered into a legally binding contract with your financial institution. You have taken the opportunity to pay out your mortgage early and you are upset about penalties that you should have been aware of prior to signing your mortgage documents. Who’s fault is that??

The bank is a business, and just like any business, it is profit driven. As a public corporation, it must answer to the shareholders. My personal RRSP’s include shares in all of our major banks and I would be upset if my shares lose value. I wonder if you also own shares in any banks, either through your own personal investments or through assets held within your pension plan?

Sorry you had to pay a penalty, but maybe you should read your documents/contracts before you sign them. Nobody forced you to take out a mortgage and you have nobody but yourself to blame for having to pay a penalty.

NMG: “Heck, I think there should be MORE emotion. The city belongs to the people of PG and they should be 100% engaged in the process.”

The problem with that is that people tend not to want anything to change. Engagement is fine. Emotion for emotion’s sake is not.

gus: “Guess what JB ….. Bateman does not live in PG. When he leaves here he goes elsewhere to sell his wares.”

Like you gus, he compares PG to other cummunities to see what they’re doing. Bateman is not selling anything that I’m aware of.

gus: “If we decide that a golf course should be part of our city’s core services, or 5 swimming pools planted throughout the various areas around the city, or a central park in downtown PG, then that is what our core services will be.”

Then if that’s the case, why do people have such a problem with paying for those facilities? There’s a big disconnect between what people want and what they’re willing to pay for, if you hadn’t noticed.

I know Bateman’s on the right track because the usual suspects in this comment section are ‘ya but’ ‘ya but’ ‘ya but’…

I know that Batemans on the wrong track because he is getting support from some people on this site, that agree with him.

wow, cool friday :)

gus, it is a secret no more, you have an admirer in me :)

recycling, should be a core service, most especially in a sprawling community such as we have.

the idea of us each individually, or as a household, having to buffer store, and then transport our own recyclables is not, convenient, simple, or green.

transporting, sorting, and processing of recyclables is most efficient when performed in a dedicated manner by a dedicated means. curbside recycling is a must. whether that should be operated by the city or put to public tender in whole or in part, either way, is the question/issue we should be asking/resolving.

“The problem with that is that people tend not to want anything to change. Engagement is fine. Emotion for emotion’s sake is not”

Many of the worlds most significant changes and advancements have come about because people were emotional about the cause.

With emotion emerges leaders and with leaders emerges change. Without emotion you have nothing.

We have curbside recycling in Ottawa and I love it. We have containers for paper, plastic, compost/yard waste and then everything else hits the garbage.

Garbage is collected every two weeks, the Green Bin (compost, yard waste, etc.) is collected every week and the recyclables are picked up on alternating weeks.

Works like a charm and it virtually eliminates any recyclable materials hitting the garbage and thus the landfill.

I believe the issue about recycling in PG is the cost. Have a look on a map, we are a long way from anywhere. Those communities with successful recycling programs seem to be close to or in major population centers where the volume of recycling from surrounding communities can be combined thus made sustainable.

seamutt, we cannot speak of cost of the whole until a system or component is designed/calculated.

likely/possibly, we would find ourselves transporting pre-processed/sorted material to a larger existing facility/centre, like the lower mainland, or edmonton.

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, would fit the bill.” Club of Rome, First Global Revolution

“Urgent and unprecedented environmental and social changes challenge scientists to define a new social contract…a commitment on the part of all scientists to devote their energies and talents to the most pressing problems of the day, in proportion to their importance, in exchange for public funding”. NOAA exiting Administrator for NOAA Dr. Lubchenko when she was president of AAAS in 1999 (explains NOAA’s obsession with ‘finding warming, extremes)

“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” Paul Watson, Co-founder of Greenpeace

I post this stuff because of the huge amounts of money spent and going to be spent on an unproven non issue despite many hundreds of billions spent already to the determent of real environmental and social issues.

“With emotion emerges leaders and with leaders emerges change. Without emotion you have nothing.”
Just ask Morsi ;)

i would guess i am not cynical enough to interpret your provided quotes negatively seamutt :)

and i choose not to believe you would think recycling, environment degrading toxic pollution to be a non-issue.

we locally have a seemingly limited ability to effect global production of potentially and certainly harmful materials that end up in the environment. as well we are seemingly limited locally in our global impact no matter what course we choose.

we as individuals, and we as a community, should work to improve what we have, what we do, for the better of everyone.

the ones i am most concerned for are unable to access this forum as they they are either busy trying to survive in this increasingly toxic environment, the animals, or are yet to be born, future folk

JB wrote: “why do people have such a problem with paying for those facilities?”

People? Which people?

When UNBC was still doing surveys of how well we were doing as a community, we had a relatively objective survey. We more or less had the same with MyPG.

This site is not a survey. It is an indicator from a very narrow group of people who, like you and me post multiple times. We really do not have an objective survey.

On top of that, those people who do social surveys now that when it comes to motherhood and apple pie issues, the majority will support taking care of wildlife, pets, etc. When asked on top of that whether they are willing to give $10/month, for example, they will say yes.

The rubber hits the road, however, when asked how much they are giving, it is less overall. Then when one checks the actual funds given to organizations the projected totals of promises do not nearly add up to the actual totals.

The want is there, the intent is there, but the actual action is not.

Look at the DBIA, a self imposed tax by a majority of people in the area. I see vey little they see in return for that self imposed tax. It is actually a microcosm of the City government, in my mind. It does not deliver what it says it will deliver.

“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true”

This has at least two interpretations which are directly opposed to each other. So, taken out of context, I do not know which was intended.

I know you prefer to think that it means “say anything, even if it is not true, as long as people believe you. So make sure you spin the story in such a way that they do believe you”

I prefer to think that the person is an ethical person (a lot comes down to ethics, doesn’t it seamutt) and that he means to say that even though you know 3 things which are true to the best of your knowledge and research, you might as well only pursue the one(s) which you can convince other people of.

So, seamutt, is Watson an unethical person? ;-)

And if you do, it does not matter what you think, it matters only what I and others think.

I think that is what the quotation means…. :-)

Outwest, I told them I wasn’t paying and then I walked. Only one out of town dealer contacted me and said they would split the fee but $250.00 was still too high for a documention fee that is only $25.00 through ICBC. So all the local dealers lost out on a sale as I finally found an out of town dealer that was willing to waive the fee.

We have recycling in Abby. We hauled paint and florecent lamps to a recycling depot at no cost. Our garden waste is picked up at our door.

Stop crying and move to Abby. End of problem.

And I see Gus is getting smarter with every post. When will he stop boring us with his great knowledge
Cheers

gus: “People? Which people?”

250News commenters for the most part. Have a nice weekend.

“recycling should be a core service”

You want to recycle, do it on your own dime. Letting the City manage it is a recipe for disaster.

a_britishcolumbian so packup your waste and ship it out to where ever there is recycling. Sounds like cost is not factor to you.

Gus whatever, a scam is a scam and if you can’t see that, so sad with all your internet searching abilities.

Like the City, the DBIA is top heavy. A town that has down great in keeping their downtown alive does not have a DBIA office with staff. One of their businessmen said they just met in someone’s store, business or cafe. No overhead and all their money goes to improving their downtown. He said it was strange to have an office and full time staff and knew why nothing got done in Prince George as it would be just another layer of red tape. And according to a businessman here in PG that is what is the problem, for three years he has been waiting for the okay to improve the outside of his store front. Between the City and the DBIA he keeps running into red tape.

seamutt, johnnybelt, again, i think a little research and calculation needs to be done before we can determine cost.
myself, we have quite a bit of buffer storage, we spend a fair bit of time pre-processing, we have to transport at least once a month. this is not a small task or cost. we are already paying in several ways.
the end product is a commodity, i would guess the buyer would be picking it up, and if not, if transport is a cost, then that is to be determined and factored into any proposal.
the city handles trash well enough, i’m sure they could possibly handle recyclables as well.

Hart Guy… Wow that was a “holier than thou” response. I wish we could all be as perfect as yourself.

Not that it’s any of your business but here’s some clarity.

In this case, my wife took on the mortgage on her own during an upsetting divorce. So yes, a few things probably got over looked at the time. I came into the picture a few years later, but since the house was already mortgaged, it would have mattered little at that point what the documents read.

Nobody is claiming to be a victim. I’m not rolling around on the floor wringing my hands and gnashing my teeth like a two year old. All I mentioned is that it’s outrageous that the banks have the audacity to penalize you when you’re late, and penalize you when you’re early, especially since they all advertise about how to become debt free earlier.

Enjoy your bank stock options though.

Dana Larsen of Sensible BC has received the OK from Elections BC to go ahead with a petition to force the Government to address the question of marijuana reform.

He needs to collect 10% of registered voters in each of the provinces 85 ridings starting Sept 9th and ending in November, to force the issue to a vote in the legislature, or go to a referendum.

I am amazed that he would even consider such a proposal. The amount of work involved to get that many signatures is overwhelming. Even with mad voters it was one hell of a chore to get the signatures for the HST.

Many people could care less one way or the other when it comes to marijuana, and those who using it, are probably to laid back to go out and get any signatures.

In any event my prediction is that this initiative will be a **flop**

“Gus whatever, a scam is a scam and if you can’t see that, so sad with all your internet searching abilities.”

All I was pointing out is that the interpretation I assume you take from the quote is only one version, as is typically the case. You did not even acknowledge that my interpretation is another possible one. I was not expecting you to believe in it.

In fact where you and I differ in a major way is that I will present a number of opinions, viewpoints, and when I have enough information I will decide which one I TEND to agree with.

You would not do that. You simply have made up your mind, do not identify why you lean one way rather than another and that is the way it is.

Which is fine. We simply agree to disagree.

Trash is picked up and dumped, simple. Recyclables picked up, sorted, packaged transported. More complicated and costly. I am sure those blowing taxpayers money on hybrids and electric cars have researched this.
By the way some large dumps are actually mined.

BC: “seamutt, johnnybelt, again, i think a little research and calculation needs to be done before we can determine cost.”

It doesn’t matter what the cost is. It will end up being another thing people b**ch about every year when the cost inevitably rises.

If you want to see how a garbage collection outfit works that also recycles, here is a site from a service provider in Whatcom County.

http://ssc-inc.com/recycling_residential.php#bins

Look at all the stuff they recycle. The population of the county is just over 200,000.

It is a private company that has been providing the service since 1929.

Comes at the same time every week, whether it is a holiday or not. Huge truck. Similar sized and separate truck comes for recyclables every second week. Virtually everything you can think of can be recycled, including food waste for composting which is an extra charge.